Is it a sin to lie to your little gullible children?

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presidente

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Is it a sin to lie to your own little gullible children, who trust you, and convince them that a magic fat man in a read suit flies around the world on a sleigh pulled by reindeer, goes down all the chimneys in the world and delivers all the children gifts over night?

Is it wrong to teach your children to write prayers as letters, materialistic prayers asking for toys, to a deceased, but heavily venerated saint?

If you tell your children lies about a magic fat man flying around the world, then tell them that God raised Jesus from the dead, how will that impact their faith when they find out you were lying about the magic fat man?
 

Nehemiah6

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Is it a sin to lie to your own little gullible children, who trust you, and convince them that a magic fat man in a read suit flies around the world on a sleigh pulled by reindeer, goes down all the chimneys in the world and delivers all the children gifts over night?
Chances are that Christian parents would not be promoting the myth of Santa. But to the unbelieving world, Santa is a substitute for Christ.
 

Edify

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It is lying & practicing deceit, no matter how you slice it. It doesn't matter if everyone does, it is what it is...sin.
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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Do you read nursery rhymes and/or fables to your children? Do you read fictional books to them?
But you'd tell they're just stories and not true, right?

My parents lied to me a lot when I was a kid and it really destroyed my trust in them and other people. But fortunately, God took what was bad and used it for my good. I became a Christian as a teenager, but I didn't go into it blindly believing everything. I tested everything and studied the Bible a lot more carefully because of my lying parents. :)


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montana123

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Do you read nursery rhymes and/or fables to your children? Do you read fictional books to them?
This is not the same thing because children are being told Santa exists and will give them presents if they are good which children do not listen to that very well unless it is close to Christmas like on Christmas Eve which I am being funny.

My parents told me about Santa and the Easter bunny, and then when I found out it was not true I said you liars.

Then I never trusted my parents again lying to a child.

When I was 10 years old my dad said Matt we are going to Disney World, and I said really dad, or is this another lie, I will believe it when I see it.

Alright I am being funny again for I never called my parents liars, and thought nothing about it.

I do not have any children but if I did I would not tell them about Santa for I am not going to let him steal my glory and thunder.

Oh Santa's going to get the glory for giving you a bike, and other good things, I think not.

As arrogant as this world is you would think that parents would not tell their children about Santa.

And look at it from a financial point of view now you have to buy presents to cover Santa on top of your own presents.

And then you might have to hear from your children telling you that Santa gave them a better gift than you did.

You do not want that burden do you.
 

NightTwister

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This is not the same thing because children are being told Santa exists and will give them presents if they are good which children do not listen to that very well unless it is close to Christmas like on Christmas Eve which I am being funny.

My parents told me about Santa and the Easter bunny, and then when I found out it was not true I said you liars.

Then I never trusted my parents again lying to a child.

When I was 10 years old my dad said Matt we are going to Disney World, and I said really dad, or is this another lie, I will believe it when I see it.

Alright I am being funny again for I never called my parents liars, and thought nothing about it.

I do not have any children but if I did I would not tell them about Santa for I am not going to let him steal my glory and thunder.

Oh Santa's going to get the glory for giving you a bike, and other good things, I think not.

As arrogant as this world is you would think that parents would not tell their children about Santa.

And look at it from a financial point of view now you have to buy presents to cover Santa on top of your own presents.

And then you might have to hear from your children telling you that Santa gave them a better gift than you did.

You do not want that burden do you.
What if I tell them Santa is fiction, but still do all of the fun Santa stuff?
 

Eli1

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This is a fresh take on 'Christmas is Pagan' yearly dance. Let's invite all the players. @Lynx ? :D

Okay so, my kids figured out that Santa wasn't real at around 5-6 years old. We as a family really didn't harp on Santa too much since the Santa topic varies culturally, but i have seen in the U.S. where Santa is basically turned into serious worship. When my kids figured it out, they weren't mad or upset or anything, they just realized that it was a nice story.
Same thing happened to me when i realized Santa wasn't real at around 7 years old. I saw it as a Tradition.
But all of these fictional stories are okay to tell you kids since they grow out of it and when they reach a mature age then they start to ask deeper questions.
When my kids reached 13 they started asking very deep questions about Christianity and suffering as well as asking interesting questions about the nature of reality and existence itself.
 

Eli1

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Also here's some nice info on "Santa Clause" that i got from my church. I'm sure most of you know this but i just wanted to share anyway. :)

Sinter Klaas, the Dutch name that we Americans transliterated into Santa Claus, obviously refers to Saint Nicholas, one of the most beloved of all saints throughout the world, and whose memory is actually celebrated today on December 6th. Travel across Europe and you can literally find thousands of churches named in honor of St. Nicholas. Greece and Russia look upon St. Nicholas as the patron of their country. In fact, in almost every port throughout Greece you will find a St. Nicholas Chapel, signifying him as the patron of sailors. And not only sailors, but orphans and children turn to St. Nicholas as their patron and protector.

Although our American secular society has tried to turn this greatest of real life saints into a jolly, fat man who wears a funny red outfit and brings a good spirit and lots of gifts to children on Christmas day, Christians never lose sight of the real Saint Nicholas, the 4th century Christian Bishop of Myra, whose real life has inspired so many people throughout the world that they have created countless legends and stories lauding his Christ-like spirit.

Since childhood, many of us have heard stories of Nicholas’ generosity, like when the saint helped the poor man with three daughters by tossing bags of gold into his house. Although certain stories or legends may seem far fetched, we must take care not to lose their underlying meaning, which lift up the many Christ-like virtues which St. Nicholas so beautifully exemplified in his life, and which we also are called to cultivate in our own lives.

What were some of these holy characteristics that Saint Nicholas possessed?

First of all, St. Nicholas stood up for the truth of God, even suffering for it. Nicholas lived through the persecutions of Diocletian, the last Roman emperor who persecuted Christians in the early part of the 4th century. Under the threat of imprisonment and even death, Nicholas continued to proclaim the Good News of God’s love through Jesus Christ. And he suffered for it. The Romans imprisoned him and threatened his life, yet he wouldn’t deny the truth, nor waver in his strict stance for the standards of the Gospel. This same zeal for the truth came out during the First Ecumenical Christian Council, when Nicholas was one of 317 bishops who articulated and defended the fullness of the Christian faith – specifically that Jesus is fully God as well as fully human, and that Jesus is one with the Father.

His courage and boldness to live out life like Jesus, even when the surrounding society ridiculed and even threatened such a lifestyle, is something with which we contemporary Christians must learn. Christianity, as an authentic way of life, is not for the fainthearted. Christianity was never meant to be a ‘status-quo,’ comfortable, easy religion of the masses. Christ called his followers to a life of divine love, which automatically implies a life of sacrifice and humble service to others. This is why Jesus reminded us that few people will have the courage and commitment to walk that narrow path! St. Nicholas was one who faithfully walked this path.

This leads us to a second quality that stands out from the life of St. Nicholas. Not only as a bishop and a good shepherd of the Church, but also as a faithful Christian, Nicholas fought against the temptation of self-centeredness – an illness of our fallen nature that plagues each of us – and he did this by constantly looking for ways to reach out to others, especially helping the oppressed, defenseless and marginalized people of society. Bishop Nicholas was not a leader who reveled in power and authority, but he understood himself as a disciple of the One who washed His disciples’ feet and who constantly cared for the poor. Being a Christian is all about serving others, thus Bishop Nicholas modeled true Christian leadership as servant leadership - always placing the needs of others before himself!

We have many stories of Nicholas reaching out in compassion and kindness to the orphaned, to the estranged, to the prisoners, and especially to the defenseless. The Christian Gospel always points its followers to love “the other,” to love those outside of ourselves. True love of God equals a love of our neighbor, a love for all others. The Church and all Christians must always have our central attention on charity, outreach and mission – bringing God’s love to others!

The world outside can be an isolated, lonely, often harsh, and an even mean place to live. How bright our light will shine if we radiate Christ’s unconditional compassion, kindness, love and charity, as St. Nicholas did throughout his lifetime.

A third virtue from St. Nicholas’ life is his generosity. Bishop Nicholas suffered the life of an orphan, losing both his parents during his teenage years. Yet from the moment that Nicholas received a rich inheritance, he generously distributed his wealth to those in need. He did not seek to use his wealth for his own well-being and comfort but realized his wealth must be used to enrich others!

When Christ’s Spirit fills the heart of a disciple, we joyously want to imitate our Lord’s example by giving all that we have to help others. True joy comes through giving. True meaning in life comes from helping and serving others. And the generosity of our giving reflects the maturity of our faith!

A final aspect that St. Nicholas so beautifully exemplified in his giving was the spirit of humility. He gave generously, but never for fame or for praise. He simply gave because he understood how generous God was to him first. He understood that everything he had was God’s, and he didn’t want to take credit for anything he gave away. How much can we all learn from that – to give in a secret manner, all for the glory of God!

A courageous and bold defender of the truth, a compassionate and loving helper of the defenseless and needy, and a generous and humble steward of God’s gifts – these represent some of the many virtues of the true Santa Claus, St. Nicholas.

Throughout this Advent season, when we see and hear many references to a fat, jolly old man in a red suit, and even as we read books or tell stories to our children and grandchildren about Santa Claus, let us never lose sight of the true Santa Claus – Saint Nicholas, Bishop of Myra. And let us try to live out and teach our children and grandchildren about the Christ-like virtues that made Nicholas one of the world’s most beloved patrons and saints!
 

SomeDisciple

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It's definitely a sin. And not just a sin- it's lying that perpetuates lying. Like... Lying is okay as long as it's fun. Deceiving people is okay as long as it's fun.

It's not fun.

In fact, it's so "not-fun", I will genuinely not care when someone is thrown in a lake of eternal fire over this. Dead serious.

Don't cast a stumbling block in front of the blind.
 

Karlon

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Is it a sin to lie to your own little gullible children, who trust you, and convince them that a magic fat man in a read suit flies around the world on a sleigh pulled by reindeer, goes down all the chimneys in the world and delivers all the children gifts over night?

Is it wrong to teach your children to write prayers as letters, materialistic prayers asking for toys, to a deceased, but heavily venerated saint?

If you tell your children lies about a magic fat man flying around the world, then tell them that God raised Jesus from the dead, how will that impact their faith when they find out you were lying about the magic fat man?
i never had kids but if i did, i'm the type to refrain from teaching them the "big lie". even though, most likely, when they're older, they can handle the truth, to me, it's not the proper course. now, if a born again set of parents raise kids, i think they should not teach the santa claus myth. it's not a sin to teach them that. after all, you were trying to create fun & joy in the kids lives. materialism (to a certain degree), in kids is important: toys, games, etc. kids certainly can understand "childhood" thoughts & actions more than adult thoughts & actions than Jesus & all He's about.
 

John146

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Chances are that Christian parents would not be promoting the myth of Santa. But to the unbelieving world, Santa is a substitute for Christ.
Chances are that most Christian parents WILL BE promoting the lie of Satan Claus this year.
 

presidente

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Chances are that most Christian parents WILL BE promoting the lie of Satan Claus this year.
Most? There are a LOT of Christians in the global south. Santa Claus wasn't a part of the celebrations when I lived in Asia.
 

presidente

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i never had kids but if i did, i'm the type to refrain from teaching them the "big lie". even though, most likely, when they're older, they can handle the truth, to me, it's not the proper course. now, if a born again set of parents raise kids, i think they should not teach the santa claus myth. it's not a sin to teach them that. after all, you were trying to create fun & joy in the kids lives. materialism (to a certain degree), in kids is important: toys, games, etc. kids certainly can understand "childhood" thoughts & actions more than adult thoughts & actions than Jesus & all He's about.
Parents may take children to see a Spiderman movie. But the children know its fiction. When they read stories, the children know its fiction. I haven't heard of parents teaching there children that Spiderman is real or that there really was an emperor who was tricked into wearing no clothes. But with Santa Claus, so many parents try to convince their children that fiction is real.
 

John146

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Most? There are a LOT of Christians in the global south. Santa Claus wasn't a part of the celebrations when I lived in Asia.
I've lived in the south my entire life and I have rarely seen a family not celebrate Christmas with Santa. No big deal, it's just been my experience.
 

presidente

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I've lived in the south my entire life and I have rarely seen a family not celebrate Christmas with Santa. No big deal, it's just been my experience.
I grew up in 'the south'. But then I spent how many years in the global South south of the equator. the US South is in the global North.

Does that make you a global Yankee?
 

ThyKingdomComeSoon

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Is it a sin to lie to your own little gullible children, who trust you, and convince them that a magic fat man in a read suit flies around the world on a sleigh pulled by reindeer, goes down all the chimneys in the world and delivers all the children gifts over night?

Is it wrong to teach your children to write prayers as letters, materialistic prayers asking for toys, to a deceased, but heavily venerated saint?

If you tell your children lies about a magic fat man flying around the world, then tell them that God raised Jesus from the dead, how will that impact their faith when they find out you were lying about the magic fat man?
it is a sin to lie about anything, that is my view, children do not deserve to be lied to. The truth is always best. it does not mean that they cannot celebrate but it has to be clear what is going on. Yes I do think it will impact their faith and judgment to some degree.

Blessings.
 

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The two things that our Lord said about Satan----Just dont want to be lumped into things we consider harmless when it is due for a lack of knowledge.

John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
 
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Is it a sin to lie to your own little gullible children, who trust you, and convince them that a magic fat man in a read suit flies around the world on a sleigh pulled by reindeer, goes down all the chimneys in the world and delivers all the children gifts over night?

Is it wrong to teach your children to write prayers as letters, materialistic prayers asking for toys, to a deceased, but heavily venerated saint?

If you tell your children lies about a magic fat man flying around the world, then tell them that God raised Jesus from the dead, how will that impact their faith when they find out you were lying about the magic fat man?
But God really gave me a great gift, just different from the toys or other gifts we believe in Christmas. The gift I am referring to is not what we usually call a gift of life.

This is a very special gift, similar to how God created Adam and Eve.