Is it calamus or cannabis in the anointing oil?

[Patinthehat]

You who know the TRUTH would not wear the vestments of a High Priest before GOD, would you?

I ask again, who declares one to be a "priest"? You tell others not to entertain this subject, yet here you are. Why are you here? Are you a hypocrite or pharisee spreading non truth's? You don't seem to want to discuss what the truth may be, you just seem to try and reduce my question to a question not worth discussing? If you have scripture to share, please do so.

 

[Lynx]

too lazy to read the article I posted that explains how that supposed bad translation is the work of one crazy Polish person with a now avid following of pot people waving a joint in one hand and the Bible in the other

you know, if smoking is the only thing that relieves some people's pain...I have nothing to say...you know...smoke at home...Christian or not...between you and God

but pat here has an agenda

You missed the point of my posts. Reread. And yes I read your posts (yes, all of them,) though I did not click on the link.

 

[miknik5]

How many times have you been told that the use or consumption of the cannabis plant is a sin or of the Devil? The next time someone says it’s the Devils weed, correct them, for they know not what they say.

With the Hebrew words for “calamus” and “cannabis” so similar, and the fact that calamus is of lesser value and also toxic, we must question the validity of the term “calamus” in English versions of Scripture. The word calamus is found in the KJV three times:

Exodus 30:23 God telling Moses the formula for the anointing oil (250 shekels worth.)
KJV-sweet calamus
NKJV-sweet-smelling cane
ESV-aromatic cane
NASB-fragrant cane
Song of Solomon 4:14, speaking of it in a refreshing garden
Ezekiel 27:19 speaking of cane as merchandise.
The KJV translates the Hebrew word “qaneh” (pronounced kaw-naw’) into “calamus.” Per Strong’s Concordance, “qaneh” means “a reed (as erect); by resemblance a rod (especially for measuring) shaft, tube, stem, (the radius of the arm) beam (of a steelyard): – balance, bone, branch, calamus, cane, reed, spearman, stalk.”
The Hebrew word for “calamus” is “kanah bosm,” which is plural. The singular for this is “kaneh bos,” which sounds remarkably close the modern word “cannabis.”
According to Webster’s New Hebrew dictionary, the current Hebrew word for cannabis is “kanabos.”
Thus, contentions that the KJV possibly interpreted the Hebrew word incorrectly as “calamus” warrant consideration.

If Exodus 30:23 is referring to a monetary value of calamus or cannabis, the “250 shekels” is approximately $125.00 worth (which is 2.5 cents/gerah X 20 gerahs/shekel X 250 shekels in Ex30:23) which is a considerable amount.
* Per the ATS Bible Dictionary (and others), a shekel is a term for either weight or currency (a coin.) A shekel is worth 20 gerahs. A gerah is the smallest weight or coin among the Jews, and worth about two and a half cents.
If the 250 shekels is referring to weight, instead of coinage, it is a considerable amount of whatever it is the KJV is referring to as “calamus.”
While cannabis is non-toxic (not a single death has ever been directly attributed to it, despite much effort being given to document such a fatality), calamus is most definitely a toxin. The FDA banned calamus from uses in food and medicines in 1968 as calamus contains more than 75% asarone. Asarone is a poison which has been shown to cause cancer, and has ill effects on heart, liver and kidney functions. This toxin in calamus is used for pest control. Why would God specify a large quantity of a poison be used in holy anointing oil?
In 1936, Sula Benet, a Polish etymologist from the Institute of Anthropological Sciences in Warsaw revealed solid evidence of the Hebrew use of cannabis. The word “cannabis had previously been thought to be of Scythian origin as Scythians first brought the plant to Europe, but Benet showed it has much earlier origin in Semitic languages like Hebrew.

“In the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament there are references to hemp, both as incense, which was an integral part of religious celebration, and as an intoxicant.” Benet demonstrated that the word for cannabis is “kaneh-bosm”, and in traditional Hebrew “kaneh” or “kannabus.” The root “kan” here means “reed” or “hemp”, while “bosm” means “aromatic.” This word appears five times in the Old Testament (Exodus, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel) and has been mistranslated as “calamus”, a common marsh plant with little monetary value that does not have the qualities or value ascribed to “kaneh-bosm.” The error occurred in the oldest Greek translation of the Hebrew bible, the Septuagint in the 3rd century BC, and was repeated in translations that followed.
It is illogical to assume that a plant as important as cannabis, which is such an incredibly useful source of fiber for textiles, loaded with nutritive oils and medicinal properties while also being non-toxic and ridiculously easy to grow, would have gone unnoticed and would have been ignored by the Judaic religion.
With as many benefits (medicinal and utilitarian) that cannabis has to offer humanity, I contend humanity needs to expedite the end of prohibition of this non-toxic plant, and have it removed from the governments drug scheduling listing. There is no valid reason to have our brothers and sisters jailed for consuming this “NON-TOXIC” plant. There is no need to have lives ruined for trying to be healthy.
Bible-believers, specifically, need to thoroughly examine this issue in light of the etymology (the origin of a word and the historical development of its meaning), and the likelihood of mis-translation of “qenah” in the King James Version. WHAT IF God intended cannabis (as opposed to calamus) to be part of the anointing oil?

What do you truly know about this plant?
It’s time we talk about this.

Here is one of our write-ups.
https://patinthehat00.wordpress.com/cannabis-the-wave-of-the-future/

This isn't GOD's ETERNAL and EVERLASTING GIFT that brings ETERNAL and EVERLASTING healing

if you want to know THAT GIFT... read John 4

 

[LaurenTM]

You missed the point of my posts. Reread. And yes I read your posts (yes, all of them,) though I did not click on the link.

no

I did not miss the point of your posts

thanks

 

[Lynx]

Patinthehat I notice you are only taking the cheap shots. Come on man, go for the 3-pointer! LaurenTM posted a really good rebuttal of everything you said. Only the lazy trolls avoid the good points. A pro will tackle the good rebuttals too.

It has been amusing so far, but it has only just begun. Don't fail me now man!

 

[bikerchaz]

In my studies, I have found the cannabis plant to fit the need and the history of the anointing oil than the calamus plant and the word itself. The KJV translates the Hebrew word “qaneh” (pronounced kaw-naw’) into “calamus.” Per Strong’s Concordance, “qaneh” means “a reed (as erect); by resemblance a rod (especially for measuring) shaft, tube, stem, (the radius of the arm) beam (of a steelyard): – balance, bone, branch, calamus, cane, reed, spearman, stalk.”

The Hebrew word for “calamus” is “kanah bosm,” which is plural. The singular for this is “kaneh bos,” which sounds remarkably close the modern word “cannabis.”
Do you have any scripture to show I am wrong with my findings or are you in agreement?

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sweet flag redirects here. For other uses, see sweet flag (disambiguation).
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Acorus calamus (also called sweet flag or calamus, among many common names[SUP][2][/SUP]) is a tall perennial wetland monocot of the Acoraceae family, in the genus Acorus. In spite of common names that include the words "rush" and "sedge", it is neither a rush nor sedge.[SUP][3][/SUP] The scented leaves and more strongly scented rhizomes have traditionally been used medicinally and to make fragrances, and the dried and powdered rhizome has been used as a substitute for ginger, cinnamon and nutmeg.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP]
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• 1 Names
  • 1.1 Etymology
• 2 Botanical information
• 3 Uses
  • 3.1 History
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  • 3.4 Hallucinogenic properties
  • 3.5 Horticulture
  • 3.6 Modern research
• 4 Chemistry
• 5 Cultural symbolism
• 6 Safety and regulations
• 7 Notes and references
• 8 External links

Names

In addition to "sweet flag" and "calamus" other common names include beewort, bitter pepper root, calamus root, flag root, gladdon, myrtle flag, myrtle grass, myrtle root, myrtle sedge, pine root, rat root, sea sedge, sweet cane, sweet cinnamon, sweet grass, sweet myrtle, sweet root, sweet rush, and sweet sedge.[SUP][2][/SUP] Common names in Asia include: "Changpu 菖蒲" (Mandarin Chinese)； "shoubu 菖蒲" (Japanese); "vacha"; "changpo 창포" (Korean); "bacch" (Unani); "bajai", "gora-bach", "vasa bach" (Hindi); "vekhand" (Marathi); "vasambu"/வசம்பு (Tamil); "vadaja", "vasa" (Telugu); "baje" (Kannada); "vayambu" (Malayalam); Haimavati, "bhutanashini", "jatila" (Sanskrit),[SUP][3][/SUP] "kâmpean" កំពាន (Khmer) and "bojho बोझो" (Nepali).
Etymology

The generic name is the Latin word acorus, which is derived from the Greek άχόρου (áchórou) of Dioscorides (note different versions of the text have different spellings). The word άχόρου itself is thought to have been derived from the word κόρη (kóri), which means pupil (of an eye), because of the juice from the root of the plant being used as a remedy in diseases of the eye ('darkening of the pupil').[SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP]
The specific name calamus (meaning "cane") is derived from Greek ΚΆΛΑΜΟΣ (kálamos, meaning "reed"), which is cognate to Latin culmus (meaning "stalk") and Old English healm (meaning "straw"), and derived from Proto-Indo European *kole-mo- (thought to mean "grass" or "reed"). The Arabic word قَلَم (qálam, meaning "pen") and Sanskrit कलम (kaláma, meaning "reed used as a pen", and a sort of rice) are thought to have been borrowed from Greek.[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][10][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP]
The name sweet flag refers to its sweet scent and its similarity to Iris species, which are commonly known as flags in English since the late fourteenth century.[SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][13]

I dont think it has much to do with pot.
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[resurrection33]

In my studies, I have found the cannabis plant to fit the need and the history of the anointing oil than the calamus plant and the word itself. The KJV translates the Hebrew word “qaneh” (pronounced kaw-naw’) into “calamus.” Per Strong’s Concordance, “qaneh” means “a reed (as erect); by resemblance a rod (especially for measuring) shaft, tube, stem, (the radius of the arm) beam (of a steelyard): – balance, bone, branch, calamus, cane, reed, spearman, stalk.”

The Hebrew word for “calamus” is “kanah bosm,” which is plural. The singular for this is “kaneh bos,” which sounds remarkably close the modern word “cannabis.”
Do you have any scripture to show I am wrong with my findings or are you in agreement?

I'm not aware the Bible mentions marijuana. Why would it follow that I am in agreement?

 

[LaurenTM]

Patinthehat I notice you are only taking the cheap shots. Come on man, go for the 3-pointer! LaurenTM posted a really good rebuttal of everything you said. Only the lazy trolls avoid the good points. A pro will tackle the good rebuttals too.

It has been amusing so far, but it has only just begun. Don't fail me now man!

well, what I see coming down the road, is atheists saying everyone in scripture was high as a kite and just imagined the whole thing

see...either the Bible is true or it isn't and attacks on the veracity of scripture are on the rise and in big part because of the net...and all the youtube vids by half baked wannabe famous for 15 minute types

and then we have this here 'thing'

he's not interested in any rebuttal...his own mary jane illustrated post after my rebuttal, mentions said Polish lady...so he is well informed about what he chooses as truth

classic

 

[Lynx]

Classic, but amusing. For a while at least. The amusement will wear thin in, at a rough estimate, another couple of hours. This troll is already slowing up a bit.

 

[Laish]

I would say no to the cannabis oil theory. At least no to the oil being produced from from the leaf or flower part of the plant . The oils from that part would be too unstable and go bad quickly using the available technology at the time . The process for making a stable oil that did not go bad was not available until the 15th century. Making the oil from the stalk would be possible but has very low yields compared to other available plants . So it's a likely no there too .
Just looking at the practicality of your theory IMHO it's full of smoke and you don't have a pot to stand on . Yes puns intended.
Blessings
Bill

 

[royalscot]

when history fools you, then only a numb nut , would post this, even the jews, thought it worthy to tell about a god. yet could not understand why a dip stick, could check is own oil.

yet christain has nothing to do with islam has it. c. s lewis . baw bag .

 

[pottersclay]

and there we have it

the agenda made manifest

you know, I actually don't care if you smoke, imbibe, juice or bake it all day long

but don't say the Bible tells you to do that

Oh dudress , how many hearts will you break here?...rofl...stop being so blunt...(tears and stomachache begin). If this were true it would explain a lot of why Israel acted the way they did..(can't stop laughing).

 

[LaurenTM]

Oh dudress , how many hearts will you break here?...rofl...stop being so blunt...(tears and stomachache begin). If this were true it would explain a lot of why Israel acted the way they did..(can't stop laughing).

dudress...LOL!

well seriously, am I right?

wheeeeee...it would either be pot or aliens...

if people could just hear themselves!

dumb, dumber and dumbest

this is why God says RENEW your minds...don't fill em up with all that sugary kool-aid...

grouchy over and out...

 

[tanakh]

I thought the Cannabis plant came from the American Continent although I could be wrong. If it did it would be unlikely to be used by ancient Israel

 

[UndoubtingThomas]

While there are many valuable medical applications for cannabis, but in my opinion use of it in a spiritual sense does two things. First, it reduces the impact that reality has on your senses (temporarily giving peace of mind) and second, it can give a false sense of the feeling of love. If you are strong in Spirit and understand these feelings are induced and not natural, you might be fine taking it for medical purposes. If you're weak in Spirit and using it as a substitute or to dull your senses, you're only fooling yourself. Only God can induce the true feeling of Love. Attending to your spirit through Him is long lasting and less expensive, less harmful to your body and less risky for you in general. All things are possible through God and when your cup runs over, the high is sooo much better than any smoke, drink or pill you can take.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Anyone who smokes pot other than for prescribed medical use, is foolish and ignorant.. JMO

 

[miknik5]

I'm afraid how this is appealing to the younger generation in this time and age


Good post Undoubting Thomas!

 

[wwjd_kilden]

So, you are basically claiming weed is God's medicine. Let us have a look at the long- term effects shall we?


From Medical Daily
Scientists have confirmed the long-held suspicion that frequent heavy marijuana use damages the brain's memory and learning capacity. Australian researchers have showed for the first time that the earlier people start their marijuana habit, the worse the brain damage. "Our results suggest that long-term cannabis use is hazardous to white matter in the developing brain. This was especially true for those who had started in adolescence, as we know the brain is still developing during this time," Lead researcher Dr. Marc Seal, from Melbourne’s Murdoch Children's Research Institute said in a university release.


Scientists from MCRI, Melbourne University and Wollongong University compared MRI scans of the brain for 59 people who had been using marijuana for an average of 15 years to 33 healthy people who had never used the drug.

After measuring changes to the volume, strength and integrity of white matter in the brains of all participants, researchers found that long-term heavy cannabis users had disruptions in their white matter fibers.

The brain's white matter is responsible for information passed between different areas of grey matter within the nervous system, and unlike grey matter, which are the brain's thinking areas that peaks at age eight, white matter continues to develop as people age. Seal and his team found that there was more than 80 percent reduction of white matter in the brains of users.

Researchers linked the significant changes in the white matter in the brain's hippocampus and commissural fibers, suggesting that long-term marijuana use may lead to memory impairment and deficits in learning and concentration ability.

 

[pottersclay]

So, you are basically claiming weed is God's medicine. Let us have a look at the long- term effects shall we?


From Medical Daily
Scientists have confirmed the long-held suspicion that frequent heavy marijuana use damages the brain's memory and learning capacity. Australian researchers have showed for the first time that the earlier people start their marijuana habit, the worse the brain damage. "Our results suggest that long-term cannabis use is hazardous to white matter in the developing brain. This was especially true for those who had started in adolescence, as we know the brain is still developing during this time," Lead researcher Dr. Marc Seal, from Melbourne’s Murdoch Children's Research Institute said in a university release.


Scientists from MCRI, Melbourne University and Wollongong University compared MRI scans of the brain for 59 people who had been using marijuana for an average of 15 years to 33 healthy people who had never used the drug.

After measuring changes to the volume, strength and integrity of white matter in the brains of all participants, researchers found that long-term heavy cannabis users had disruptions in their white matter fibers.

The brain's white matter is responsible for information passed between different areas of grey matter within the nervous system, and unlike grey matter, which are the brain's thinking areas that peaks at age eight, white matter continues to develop as people age. Seal and his team found that there was more than 80 percent reduction of white matter in the brains of users.

Researchers linked the significant changes in the white matter in the brain's hippocampus and commissural fibers, suggesting that long-term marijuana use may lead to memory impairment and deficits in learning and concentration ability.

Oh yeah I forgot about that, didn't really understand it anyways ( probably why) now where were we....huh...dunno.