Is it possible for a true Christian to one day no longer believe in God?

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Is it possible for a genuine believer in Christ to one day no longer believe?

  • Yes (and they will still be saved)

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • Yes (but they will no longer be saved)

    Votes: 14 51.9%

  • No (they either never believed or are in denial)

    Votes: 12 44.4%
  • Total voters
    27
Grandpa said:
Not possible.
A true Christian was/is saved by God. A person can't just pretend it never happened.
It would be like un-knowing something, or un-seeing something. Can't be done.
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That was what I was always trying to get at with the people who identified as former believers: wanting to know what was the basis of their belief, had they encountered God, and if so, how could they then turn around and say it did not happen? They came to believe they had somehow just imagined it, that it wasn't real, they fooled themselves into belief etc, when in one case especially it seemed that the person eventually renounced their faith because God did not keep proving His existence to them... He did not answer their prayers they way they wanted Him to. They felt they were wasting their time :(
 
dcontroversal said:
If we believe not, he abideth faithful as he cannot deny himself!
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Even if we slip off into oblivion, we are a part of Him and He cannot deny himself.


THAT..........COULD............NEVER............HAPPEN..........TO.........ME...........The most dangerous sentence in the believers vocabulary. KNOWING that it can happen to us because we are still in the flesh, is a better and safer place to be.
 
Gr8grace said:
Peters denial..........did he no longer believe or was he afraid of the persecution?
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T_Laurich said:
Stumbling is not the same as "no longer believing in God"... Just my two cents on Peters Denial...
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Magenta said:
I can't help thinking that Peter's denial being pre-resurrection has some bearing on the matter.
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The bearing being that we believe in a risen LORD, the one we know to hold the keys to life and has mastery over death. The apostles, including Peter, were looking at it, at that moment in time, from the perspective of Jesus going to trial for an offense that was going to get Him crucified. They had not the benefit of witnessing Him risen, yet :)
 
T_Laurich said:
1John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Read 1John and you can say whether you do or don't... :)
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Thanks for that brotherly kindness but I chose to believe Jesus´:

1) Luk 21:19 In your patience (Hupomoné) ye shall win your souls. (Endurance)

2) Luk 24:48 Ye are witnesses (Martus) of these things. (Martyrs)

3) Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, when the Holy Spirit is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses (Martus) both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea and Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. (Martyrs)

Easy or cheap Gospel forgets Christian martyrdom:

Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Jesus said other way.


I hope He would say this:

Mat 25:23 His lord said to him, Well done, good and true servant: you have been true in a small thing, I will give you control over great things: take your part in the joy of your lord.

PS

Eternal life in Hell or in heavens?


 
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I don't believe and i never have,what could be said to someone such as me to help me believe?i am one of the "strange" people who needs evidence or some sort of factual backing to believe anything,does this mean i will be tossed into the lake of fire?by the way i was raised as a seventh day adventist.
 
Tryasyoumay said:
I don't believe and i never have,what could be said to someone such as me to help me believe?i am one of the "strange" people who needs evidence or some sort of factual backing to believe anything,does this mean i will be tossed into the lake of fire?by the way i was raised as a seventh day adventist.
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If you don't believe now you will when it becomes all too real when you take your last breath friend.....how you were raised has no bearing...it is about faith (belief) and if you acknowledge the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus as Lord and Savior.....
 
Tryasyoumay said:
I don't believe and i never have,what could be said to someone such as me to help me believe?i am one of the "strange" people who needs evidence or some sort of factual backing to believe anything,does this mean i will be tossed into the lake of fire?by the way i was raised as a seventh day adventist.
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Welcome to CC! :)

I was also brought up in a legalistic religious system, that went a long way to turning me off the whole idea and institutionalized beliefs around God... but the fact is that we are all born spiritually dead to God, and need His quickening Spirit to bring us alive in Him. Have you been seeking? I spent years looking for spiritual truth, and God revealed Himself to me a number of times before it eventually became impossible for me to deny... even though I was incredibly stubborn in my stiff-necked opposition to Him, He never gave up on me :)
 
But from what i understand faith is belief in something with no evidence?i should add also i mean no dis-respect to anyone at all everyone has the the right to believe what they want,i'm just trying to gain an understanding why other people can believe and as hard as i try i can not.
 
Yes. The bible says we have to be faithful to the end. It wouldn't say that if it happened automatically.
 
Tryasyoumay said:
But from what i understand faith is belief in something with no evidence?i should add also i mean no dis-respect to anyone at all everyone has the the right to believe what they want,i'm just trying to gain an understanding why other people can believe and as hard as i try i can not.
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No, we are promised that God will reveal Himself to those who diligently seek Him. Yes, those who believe without evidence are said to be blessed but there is actually quite a bit of historical and archaeological evidence to support the truth of the Bible, not the same as saying Jesus Christ is God, I know, but even that historical evidence is enough to convince some people. The descriptor of faith you are thinking of in Hebrews 11:1 is just a descriptor and not a complete definition, like saying a banana is yellow and tasty does not define a banana. Our faith is in Jesus Christ Who holds the keys to life and death, so what we have yet to see but have faith in is His promise of granting us eternal life in Him. However believing in God goes far beyond that, really. Think about it. If you believe in God as our Creator, you must acknowledge that He knows what is best for us.
 
Magenta said:
Welcome to CC! :)

I was also brought up in a legalistic religious system, that went a long way to turning me off the whole idea and institutionalized beliefs around God... but the fact is that we are all born spiritually dead to God, and need His quickening Spirit to bring us alive in Him. Have you been seeking? I spent years looking for spiritual truth, and God revealed Himself to me a number of times before it eventually became impossible for me to deny... even though I was incredibly stubborn in my stiff-necked opposition to Him, He never gave up on me :)
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Thank you for the welcome :)
I can't say i've looked for God as i could not justify some of the terrible things written in the bible that were a direct result of god and his wrath,but i have endured a fairly volatile and not so great childhood which has surely affected me as an adult,and also helped towards my disdain for god and his "kindness" as many call it,i am just honestly not sure where i stand at this point in my life.
 
Tryasyoumay said:
I don't believe and i never have,what could be said to someone such as me to help me believe?i am one of the "strange" people who needs evidence or some sort of factual backing to believe anything,does this mean i will be tossed into the lake of fire?by the way i was raised as a seventh day adventist.
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1) After tearing apart several Bibles...

2) After trying to curse and spit at God´s face, several times...

3) I have found a couple of hints of those you need.


They could be INSIDE YOU.

Take your time and dig for them. :o
 
Tryasyoumay said:
I don't believe and i never have,what could be said to someone such as me to help me believe?i am one of the "strange" people who needs evidence or some sort of factual backing to believe anything,does this mean i will be tossed into the lake of fire?by the way i was raised as a seventh day adventist.
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We need to understand that unbelievers will not be tossed into the LoF. They are placed there.


The fallen angels,demons and people who are placed in the LoF go there because they truly resent and hate God. They are not in the LoF wishing the had been saved. They would be like Adam and Eve after the fall if they would have got their hands on the tree of life.....................forever living in the sin nature.

In the LoF, beings get worse for eternity. The Lord Jesus Christ could Go into the LoF after a trillion years and ask beings to follow Him for their release and they would still curse Him. There is only hate in the LoF. God would let anyone out if they changed their mind..............it is why they are there, they won't change their mind.
 
Tryasyoumay said:
Thank you for the welcome :)
I can't say i've looked for God as i could not justify some of the terrible things written in the bible that were a direct result of god and his wrath,but i have endured a fairly volatile and not so great childhood which has surely affected me as an adult,and also helped towards my disdain for god and his "kindness" as many call it,i am just honestly not sure where i stand at this point in my life.
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Well, that's the thing, isn't it? We don't want to find that God, the God we think is portrayed in Scriptures, especially the Older Covenant Scriptures. God knows this. It is Jesus Christ Who is the image of the unseen God; He is our mediator, He Who reconciles us to God through the New Covenant of His shed blood o our behalf. Read about Him. Read the Gospel according to John. Read it through three times. It doesn't have to be all at once. Can you do that?
 
Yes (but they will no longer be saved)


4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened,
and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;
seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
 
Tryasyoumay said:
I don't believe and i never have,what could be said to someone such as me to help me believe?i am one of the "strange" people who needs evidence or some sort of factual backing to believe anything,does this mean i will be tossed into the lake of fire?by the way i was raised as a seventh day adventist.
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The kingdom doesn't come by outward observance...

And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
(Mat 16:17)
 
Tryasyoumay said:
But from what i understand faith is belief in something with no evidence?i should add also i mean no dis-respect to anyone at all everyone has the the right to believe what they want,i'm just trying to gain an understanding why other people can believe and as hard as i try i can not.
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Faith is the EVIDENCE to things not seen<---Hebrews 11.........Read that chapter and how faith can be seen by the obvious evidences friend!
 
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