Is it possible to get, "unborn again"?

[newbirth]

do you people even read what Paul said?

romans 11.. Is God done with Isreal NO

God has always kept a remnant, Even today their is a remnant.

God promised to give an eye that can not see, and ear that will nto hear to harden their heart in unbelief.

Even today, there is a remant, ac cording to grace, if it is grace it is not work, otherwise grace is no longer grace

Isreal did not get what it saught, but the remnant did, the rest were blinded

Because they fell, salvation has come to GENTILES

If there fall was good for gentiles. imagine how great their restoration will be.

They were cut off being the natural branch, so you , the olive branch or unnatural branch could be grafted in

on't be proud, but fear, If God cut them (as a nation off) God will cut you off too.

Don't be wise in your own opinion. but know the mystery, Blindness has happened to them in part. (until your time is complete

When this happens, they will ALL be saved.

They are our enemy concerning the gospel. but beloeved concerning the promise, Gods gifts and calling are irrevocable.

ie.. God has not forgoten Israel, He will restor them

You people can not use it to support your works based false gospel of induviduals. it is NOT THE CONTEXT, you need to read the WHOLE THING!

if you think the writer is referring to the Church being cut off as a whole and he is not speaking to them as individuals, something has to be wrong with your mind...there is no more Jews or gentiles....God concluded all under sin ...God only sees sinners and saints in this dispensation...God will restore Israel after the time of the gentile...God cut of Israel as a nation but they were saved as individuals.....even today the scripture says .....
2 Corinthians 3:15-17King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

 

[newbirth]

One is born again of God's Spirit by confessing Jesus as Lord and believing that God raised him from the dead. How do we hear that to the point we believe it? - through the word of God the Holy Spirit speaks. Through or by means of the Word of God, we become born again of incorruptible seed. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. James 1:18

[h=1]John 3:5-7King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

John 3:5-7King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

I know . . . . .

 

[ChristIsGod]

No, I don't trust myself -- I trust His entire New Testament ...

Obedience is from cover to cover and the fear of the Lord because of what He is doing in us.

I pray that you all can stand so confident in the days ahead - even if we must go through an almost Hell on earth and see possibly more than even Job saw and remain "faithful" - another N.T. word.

Mat 24:10-13 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.


And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.


But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Mat 24:10-13 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.


And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.


But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

that is speaking of the end of the age, Speaking of being saved PHYSICALLY, not eternal salvation. it speaks of staying alive until Christ returns, Those alive at that time will be saved from physical death in tribulation.

Again, Context Context.

 

[ChristIsGod]

that is speaking of the end of the age, Speaking of being saved PHYSICALLY, not eternal salvation. it speaks of staying alive until Christ returns, Those alive at that time will be saved from physical death in tribulation.

Again, Context Context.

2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

yep lets all work our way to Gods grace. Lets let grace not be grace, but lets work to earn it. Lets take the grace of God and spit on it. While we are at it, let us spit on the cross also. It is not enough, It only partially took care of sin, God needs our help!

On the one side. Lets live in sin, who cares, I am saved anyway, I can live anyway I want.

On the other side, Lets use human righteousness, work as hard as we can. God will accept our sacrifice, and praise us and save us for trying so hard to live like he wants us (even though his glorious standard is perfect from birth to death)

Lets deny faith, a trust and assurance in creator God who restored us with his son. And wants to restore that relation and bring us back to the way he intended it. That all means nothing, I have to work work work..

ps. Peter spoke of licentiousness, as did James and Jude.

Paul spoke against legalism.

I reject both false gospels. Maybe one day you will stop buying into the lie of satan, and you will too. Rejecting licentious will not save you, you need to repent and reject trying to earn your way to heaven also. Because you will never do that, not in this lifetime or the next.

 

[newbirth]

You're completely bypassing the new heart given in the new birth which would not just desire "to leave the kingdom".

you have total control over that heart....you are implying that one becomes a puppet with a new heart...that new heart gives you the ability to say yes or no.....before sin had you under control now you have control over your decisions....

 

[ChristIsGod]

Last Days ~ "Endure = overcometh" vs "falling away"

13: But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.


Heb 3:12-15 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
But exhort one another daily, while it is called Today; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
For we are made partakers of Christ, IF we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.


Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


Rev 3:15.16 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.


Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.


Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


1Jn 3:2,3 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.


1Pe 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.


2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.




Should I obey God and do his will that is written or obey the words of the false accuser or a man?

 

[newbirth]

that is speaking of the end of the age, Speaking of being saved PHYSICALLY, not eternal salvation. it speaks of staying alive until Christ returns, Those alive at that time will be saved from physical death in tribulation.

Again, Context Context.

1 Corinthians 15:51-58King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]51 [/SUP]Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

[SUP]52 [/SUP]In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

[SUP]53 [/SUP]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

[SUP]54 [/SUP]So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

[SUP]55 [/SUP]O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
[SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
[SUP]57 [/SUP]But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]58 [/SUP]Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

 

[newbirth]

2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

look at the response in #267....pure ignorance and hate because you do not agree with him...he tries to put you on a guilt trip as if you are doing something wrong...he did not respond to your post with scripture ...just ignorant babble...

 

[newbirth]

I know . . . . .

this is your quote...

One is born again of God's Spirit by confessing Jesus as Lord and believing that God raised him from the dead.

John 3:5-7King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

 

[newbirth]

you can not fall away. even if we walk away, Jesus promised to leave the flock, come get us, and take us back home. You may be able to walk away from your friends, but you can never walk away from God. Even if we are faithless. he remains faithful, he can not deny himself (his promises)

Sorry but you are trusting yourself. and not God to save you, as newbirth is. Don;t fall for satans trap like newbirth has, Eternity is too long to mess this up.

you do not understand scripture....having heard the word ....it is alive in you and does not leave...it has given you faith ...so as long as the word is in you Christ is there....if you choose to reject he will not force....one has to wilfully follow Christ....you think Christ comes physically and pull you away from sin? you say ..

.you can never walk away from God.

so when one depart from the faith what are they doing?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

this is your quote...
John 3:5-7King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Yep . . . and I stand by it . . . . One is born again of God's Spirit by confessing Jesus as Lord and believing that God raised him from the dead.

Romans 10:9,10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

If you are saved, are you not born again of God's Spirit? That new creation created/born within you is "spirit" . . . . That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:6b) You are filled with the holy Spirit, i.e. living water!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yep . . . and I stand by it . . . . One is born again of God's Spirit by confessing Jesus as Lord and believing that God raised him from the dead.

Romans 10:9,10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

If you are saved, are you not born again of God's Spirit? That new creation created/born within you is "spirit" . . . . That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:6b) You are filled with the holy Spirit, i.e. living water!

they want the dead, physical contaminated water to save them.

Not the living water. the washing of water by the word (scripture) as scripture puts it.

 

[SeaBass]

It's not in the perfect tense so there's no indication that the fall from grace is permanent.
Many young Christians at one time or another get into the working for salvation mode, who do not have a good grasp on grace...it doesn't mean their fall is permanent.

The past tense shows falling from grace happens, so there is no eternal security. Those Galatians could choose repent and return to grace not making their fall permanent.

 

[newbirth]

here is the point you do not get.

Obedience to salvation requires the obedience of God. You can not even come close to being obedient or righteous as God. Thus you can never do enough work to even think of being saved by your good deeds.

You have two ways to heaven Your works, or Gods grace.

if you try to get their by works, yuo will (already have) fail miserably.

really guy ...the obedience of God...you are now telling God to be obedient..? your obedience is required for your salvation....you are saying God obedience is required for your salvation...
by chance are you a contortionist ...? your foot always seem to be in your mouth...
[h=1]1 Peter 1:13-15King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;

 

[SeaBass]

Getting back to the OP, show me one scripture where a person who was born again became unborn, or where it is taught such.

Again, some at Galatia fell from grace, past tense.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Last Days ~ "Endure = overcometh" vs "falling away"

13: But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.


Heb 3:12-15 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
But exhort one another daily, while it is called Today; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
For we are made partakers of Christ, IF we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.


Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


Rev 3:15.16 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.


Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.


Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


1Jn 3:2,3 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.


1Pe 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.


2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.




Should I obey God and do his will that is written or obey the words of the false accuser or a man?

You should obey God, and receive his promises. Not twist scripture to support a false gospel of works earning your way to heaven.

Call out on the name of the lord, and yuo will be saved.

Believe in the name of the son, and yuo will HAVE eternal (not conditional) life

He who begun a good work in you will COMPLETE it.

He who has faith is NOT CONDEMNED, but he who does not believe is condemned already (in a condemned state)

The seal of the spirit.

The promise of God, You can KNOW you HAVE eternal life.

everything you post contradicts these passages, and promises of God. so your stuck, You have a bible which contradicts, or yuo have a faulty interpretation of those passages.

 

[dcontroversal]

Yep . . . and I stand by it . . . . One is born again of God's Spirit by confessing Jesus as Lord and believing that God raised him from the dead.

Romans 10:9,10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

If you are saved, are you not born again of God's Spirit? That new creation created/born within you is "spirit" . . . . That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:6b) You are filled with the holy Spirit, i.e. living water!

Amen and NO BIRTH will never get it as he trusts into himself, water and his works for sure........! The lost cannot understand the word, nor will they ever be able to understand it while they remain in their sins....!