Is it possible to get, "unborn again"?

[peacefulbeliever]

The point is one must CONTINUE to do righteousness to continue to be born of God. One cannot UNconditionally do unrighteousness and remain born of Him.


1 Jn 5:8 "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not."

'Sinneth' is present tense. So one born of God cannot continue in sin but must keep himself. If one does not keep himself and falls back into sin he is no longer born of God.

What you are presenting is in stark contrast to 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 2:1,2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also the whole world.

Of course God's will is for us to "sin not" but he apparently knew that we would fail and he made provision for that.

1 John 5:9-13 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself (Spirit): he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. v18-21) We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come and hath given us an understanding, that we may KNOW him that is true, and we are IN him that is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

John 17:14-16,20 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. . . . Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word

 

[blue_ladybug]

You're not paying attention, I said "if my kids grieve me" that means if they disobey me they are not welcome, I said my door is always open to them, all they have to do is obey me in my house, my rules.... Just like God and His children, they are always welcome, it is His will for all men to be saved :

1 Timothy 2:4 (NKJV)
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.


but all men will not obey, All are invited to His house if they obey Him, those do not obey Him are not welcome in His house, His rules...

Romans 12:19 (NKJV)
19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord.

Romans 13:4 (NKJV)
4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.


Ephesians 5:6 (NKJV)
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

​God's children disobey him on a regular basis. Like I said, he never shuts his door to us in spite of that fact. His door is ALWAYS open, even in the face of our disobedience.

 

[Jabberjaw]

​God's children disobey him on a regular basis. Like I said, he never shuts his door to us in spite of that fact. His door is ALWAYS open, even in the face of our disobedience.

His door is open to those who obey His Son/Him :

Matthew 7:21 (NKJV)
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

 

[notuptome]

His door is open to those who obey His Son/Him :

Matthew 7:21 (NKJV)
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

The will of the Father...to believe on Christ Whom He sent to be the propitiation of the sins of the world.

The will of the Father is done in the heart before it is done in the body.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[peacefulbeliever]

1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

were is your scripture for this...One only falls from grace by trying to live by the law.

Romans 3:28-31King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
[SUP]31[/SUP]Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

What some of you are not understanding is that GOD MAKES US RIGHTEOUS - through the FLESH? NO . . . but in the "spirit" we are righteous . . . . We can do NOTHING to obtain righteousness except believe . . . .

Do we fall "out of fellowship" at times? YES 1 John 1:3 - That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that you also may have FELLOWSHIP with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.- This is regarding our fellowship with the Father and the Son - it's a FAMILY relationship. A person is born into a family and their standing in that family remains intact - NO MATTER WHAT. Now their state [fellowship] within that family can fluctuate - You people think you can be perfect? Go ahead and I wish you all the best. As a child of God - my heart's desire is to live without sin - and believe me I try but the harder I try the more I fail . . . Has God rejected me because of this? NO, NO, NO . . . .

This is one area where I know that - no matter how far I went off the rails - My heavenly Father was standing in the background waiting for me, calling gently to me, urging me to come back. Once anyone has experienced this they KNOW without a doubt, with all confidence that BORN means BORN . . . INCORRUPTIBLE means INCORRUPTIBLE and GRACE means GRACE - And I KNOW it is ALL God. And NO I do not make it a habit to "go off the rails" but it has happened and I am not proud to say but it was for a lengthy period -

 

[newbirth]

​God's children disobey him on a regular basis. Like I said, he never shuts his door to us in spite of that fact. His door is ALWAYS open, even in the face of our disobedience.

are you sure it is God's children you are talking about...
Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but by their works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

1 Peter 1:13-15American Standard Version (ASV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore girding up the loins of your mind, be sober and set your hope perfectly on the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]as children of obedience, not fashioning yourselves according to your former lusts in the time of your ignorance:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]but like as he who called you is holy, be ye yourselves also holy in all manner of living;

 

[newbirth]

What some of you are not understanding is that GOD MAKES US RIGHTEOUS - through the FLESH? NO . . . but in the "spirit" we are righteous . . . . We can do NOTHING to obtain righteousness except believe . . . .

sis righteousness is by faith ...faith without works is dead

Do we fall "out of fellowship" at times? YES 1 John 1:3 - That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that you also may have FELLOWSHIP with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.- This is regarding our fellowship with the Father and the Son - it's a FAMILY relationship. A person is born into a family and their standing in that family remains intact - NO MATTER WHAT. Now their state [fellowship] within that family can fluctuate - You people think you can be perfect? Go ahead and I wish you all the best. As a child of God - my heart's desire is to live without sin - and believe me I try but the harder I try the more I fail . . . Has God rejected me because of this? NO, NO, NO . . . .

[SUP]you are righteous in the spirit if you do righteousness....

4 [/SUP]that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, self-control; against such there is no law.

This is one area where I know that - no matter how far I went off the rails - My heavenly Father was standing in the background waiting for me, calling gently to me, urging me to come back. Once anyone has experienced this they KNOW without a doubt, with all confidence that BORN means BORN . . . INCORRUPTIBLE means INCORRUPTIBLE and GRACE means GRACE - And I KNOW it is ALL God. And NO I do not make it a habit to "go off the rails" but it has happened and I am not proud to say but it was for a lengthy period -

so in your off the rails moments ...you are still saved and sanctified?.....if so why not stay there....I mean it does not matter what you do or where you are...why bother...you are safe....and if God chastise you for being of the rails then that is a bad place and you ought not to be there...and the only place God does not want you to be... is the place that can take you to hell....if of the rail will not take you to hell it is a good place to be....and if you leave the off the rail place ...then you know it is not a good place to be you came to your senses and repented and came back to God.....when you were off the rail were you uncorrupted clean from sin and right before God?

 

[SeaBass]

What you are presenting is in stark contrast to 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 2:1,2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also the whole world.

Of course God's will is for us to "sin not" but he apparently knew that we would fail and he made provision for that.

1 John 5:9-13 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself (Spirit): he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. v18-21) We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come and hath given us an understanding, that we may KNOW him that is true, and we are IN him that is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

John 17:14-16,20 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. . . . Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word

1 Jn 5:8 does not contradict 1 Jn 1:9.

Both verses make salvation CONDITIONAL. 1 Jn 5:8 makes it conditional upon the Christian continuing NOT to live in sin and 1 Jn 1:9 makes salvation CONDITIONAL upon confessing sins. 1 Jn 5:8 is not saying it is impossible for a Christian to sin but that a Christian cannot ongoingly, continuously live in sin. On those occasions when the Christian does sin he must conditionally confess those sins to be forgiven.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

​God's children disobey him on a regular basis. Like I said, he never shuts his door to us in spite of that fact. His door is ALWAYS open, even in the face of our disobedience.

Yes, Thank God he is a better Father than JabberJaw. Who would kick his 6 year old out on the street in sub zero weather for steeling a cookie.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

sis righteousness is by faith ...faith without works is dead

[SUP]you are righteous in the spirit if you do righteousness....

4 [/SUP]that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, self-control; against such there is no law.

I am righteous because God MADE me righteous . . . I can do nothing to MAKE myself righteous - But of him are you in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption; 1 Cor 1:30
in Christ Jesus - en - a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position
I am righteous through my faith in Jesus Christ . . . . For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Rom. 5:19

Yes, the fruit of the Spirit which I am trying hard to utilize in this conversation (LOL)

so in your off the rails moments ...you are still saved and sanctified?.....if so why not stay there....I mean it does not matter what you do or where you are...why bother...you are safe....and if God chastise you for being of the rails then that is a bad place and you ought not to be there...and the only place God does not want you to be... is the place that can take you to hell....if of the rail will not take you to hell it is a good place to be....and if you leave the off the rail place ...then you know it is not a good place to be you came to your senses and repented and came back to God.....when you were off the rail were you uncorrupted clean from sin and right before God?

Yes, I am still saved and I am still set apart from unbelievers by the Spirit dwelling in me. God doesn't give us his holy Spirit and remove it each time we mess up . . . . He doesn't put his Spirit in someone - take it out - put it in - [like he loves me, he loves me not, he loves me, he loves me not] His Spirit is BORN within us . . . . Correct, I shouldn't have been there and it wasn't a good place to be - NOPE, nothing can take me to hell; I belong to God - BORN MEANS BORN - When I finally listened to my Father, I asked to be forgiven and I was cleansed from all unrighteousness - I was cleansed from my not living rightly, I was filthy in the flesh BUT in that "seed", in that "spirit", in that new creation that came from God which is incorruptible - I stood before God clean and right - not because of my "standing" [fellowship] but because of my "state" as a daughter within the family of God.

I have a daughter [she is older now] that is caught up in the drug thing - I do not like the way she is living and what she is choosing to do and right now her standing in her family is not good - she doesn't get the family fellowship she would have if she would stop doing what she is doing - BUT she is still my daughter and when she needs me I will be there for her - and no matter what she does or any of my children for that matter will never change the fact that I am their mother.

I am God's daughter - I cannot do anything to obtain His righteousness but have faith in his only begotten Son - that is all I can do. I cannot say that I am without sin because that is a lie . . . All a person can do is have a heart to know God and his Son, to love them and have the desire to do the best they can do - I don't think anyone could live up to the totality of perfection that is presented on these forums - so I am at a lose as to what you think people CAN do to stay in the household of God when they are BORN into that family?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

1 Jn 5:8 does not contradict 1 Jn 1:9.

Both verses make salvation CONDITIONAL. 1 Jn 5:8 makes it conditional upon the Christian continuing NOT to live in sin and 1 Jn 1:9 makes salvation CONDITIONAL upon confessing sins. 1 Jn 5:8 is not saying it is impossible for a Christian to sin but that a Christian cannot ongoingly, continuously live in sin. On those occasions when the Christian does sin he must conditionally confess those sins to be forgiven.

Confessing the sin or confessing sins restores "fellowship" [not SALVATION]- Confession restores the relationship between the Father, the Son and members of the family, the household of God. Being BORN into a family keeps you within the family that is SALVATION and the only condition for SALVATION is FAITH in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[kennethcadwell]

do you people even read what Paul said?

romans 11.. Is God done with Isreal NO

God has always kept a remnant, Even today their is a remnant.

God promised to give an eye that can not see, and ear that will nto hear to harden their heart in unbelief.

Even today, there is a remant, ac cording to grace, if it is grace it is not work, otherwise grace is no longer grace

Isreal did not get what it saught, but the remnant did, the rest were blinded

Because they fell, salvation has come to GENTILES

If there fall was good for gentiles. imagine how great their restoration will be.

They were cut off being the natural branch, so you , the olive branch or unnatural branch could be grafted in

on't be proud, but fear, If God cut them (as a nation off) God will cut you off too.

Don't be wise in your own opinion. but know the mystery, Blindness has happened to them in part. (until your time is complete

When this happens, they will ALL be saved.

They are our enemy concerning the gospel. but beloeved concerning the promise, Gods gifts and calling are irrevocable.

ie.. God has not forgoten Israel, He will restor them

You people can not use it to support your works based false gospel of induviduals. it is NOT THE CONTEXT, you need to read the WHOLE THING!

Not all the Jews were cutoff though, so you can not say this is speaking to a group and not individuals.
If you want the passage in Romans 11 to speak of a group in general and not to be applied in the individual sense then that would mean that Peter, Paul, Thomas, Mark, Matthew, John, and all the rest of the Apostles and Jews that believe in Jesus were cut off to. Because as you say speaks of as a group, and therefore all Jews would be cut off.

But it only says those who are unbelievers are cut off, and we gentiles that choose to believe in Him are grafted in as long as we continue to believe in Him.
You can not make this to be only speaking of groups and not individually, because for an example if two gentiles are walking in faith in the Lord and one turns and follows a false doctrine, turning away from the Lord. He no longer will be walking in the faith, hince not saved. Now him not walking in a saved state any more does not mean you are not saved either any more. Hince you are still grafted in because of your faith, he is cut off do to not having faith any more.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not all the Jews were cutoff though, so you can not say this is speaking to a group and not individuals.

Did you even read what was said.

It not only said not all of them were cut off. it explains why.

If you are not going to read. and see what is being said. then how can we discuss anything?

 

[newbirth]

I am righteous because God MADE me righteous . . . I can do nothing to MAKE myself righteous - But of him are you in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption; 1 Cor 1:30
in Christ Jesus - en - a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position
I am righteous through my faith in Jesus Christ . . . . For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Rom. 5:19

[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
one have to walk in the spirit in order that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us...

Yes, the fruit of the Spirit which I am trying hard to utilize in this conversation (LOL)

Yes, I am still saved and I am still set apart from unbelievers by the Spirit dwelling in me. God doesn't give us his holy Spirit and remove it each time we mess up . . . . He doesn't put his Spirit in someone - take it out - put it in - [like he loves me, he loves me not, he loves me, he loves me not] His Spirit is BORN within us . . . . Correct, I shouldn't have been there and it wasn't a good place to be - NOPE, nothing can take me to hell; I belong to God - BORN MEANS BORN - When I finally listened to my Father, I asked to be forgiven and I was cleansed from all unrighteousness - I was cleansed from my not living rightly, I was filthy in the flesh BUT in that "seed", in that "spirit", in that new creation that came from God which is incorruptible - I stood before God clean and right - not because of my "standing" [fellowship] but because of my "state" as a daughter within the family of God.

the question is ...while you are in sin disobeying God are you still saved and set apart and you say yes....
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

I have a daughter [she is older now] that is caught up in the drug thing - I do not like the way she is living and what she is choosing to do and right now her standing in her family is not good - she doesn't get the family fellowship she would have if she would stop doing what she is doing - BUT she is still my daughter and when she needs me I will be there for her - and no matter what she does or any of my children for that matter will never change the fact that I am their mother.

are you making yourself equal with God...?.

I am God's daughter - I cannot do anything to obtain His righteousness but have faith in his only begotten Son - that is all I can do. I cannot say that I am without sin because that is a lie . . . All a person can do is have a heart to know God and his Son, to love them and have the desire to do the best they can do - I don't think anyone could live up to the totality of perfection that is presented on these forums - so I am at a lose as to what you think people CAN do to stay in the household of God when they are BORN into that family?

oh yes you can...

2 Peter 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
one have to walk in the spirit in order that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us...

Romans 3:21,22 But now the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 4:13 For the promise that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law but through the righteousness of faith.
Yes, we should always walk in the spirit which fulfills the law of love but at times we will fail ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God . . . . that doesn't change after we are born again. Our need of a Savior is throughout our lifetime.

the question is ...while you are in sin disobeying God are you still saved and set apart and you say yes....

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

v9) KEY - for His seed remaineth in him, i.e. whosoever is born of God -

are you making yourself equal with God...?

How? by comparing the household of God, the family of God with my earthly family? God compares himself as a Father to that of an earthly father - Luke 11:13 - when speaking of one giving good gifts.

[/Qoh yes you can...

2 Peter 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Yes, God gave us exceeding great and precious promises and we are partakers of the divine nature by that Spirit that is born within us - God does not take back promises. He that lacketh these things: faith, virtue, knowledge, godliness, patience, brotherly kindness, charity - is blind and cannot see afar off - that is the one who has forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Once a person is born again - at that very second when one confesses Jesus as Lord and believes God raise him from the dead God puts His incorruptible, imperishable seed - "spirit" is born within him, a new creation has been created within him. At the time we believe - we receive holy spirit and each believer is "sealed" and that "seal" is permanent.

2 Cor. 1:21,22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee. [ESV]
2 Cor. 1:21,22 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. [NIV]

2 Cor. 5:5 He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. [ESV]
2 Cor. 5:5 Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. [NIV]

Ephesians 1:13,14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. [ESV]
Ephesians 1:13,14 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession -- to the praise of his glory. [NIV]

Well, that's all I have to say on this matter. It is always an endless circle.

 

[Jabberjaw]

The will of the Father...to believe on Christ Whom He sent to be the propitiation of the sins of the world.

The will of the Father is done in the heart before it is done in the body.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You still have not answered the question:

Why would Peter warn us that satan wishes to devour us, if we are never saved he already has us, therefore he could only be warning the saved, but according to your man made doctrine once saved one cannot be devoured making this warning useless :

1 Peter 5:8 (NKJV)
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Do we throw this verse away? because according to your man made doctrine he cannot devour anyone that is saved? and there is no need to warn someone satan seeks to devour someone he already has (someone never saved to begin with).

What do you do with this verse that totally contradicts OSAS?

 

[ChosenbyHim]

No, it is not possible. Once you are saved and born again and saved, it is impossible to lose your salvation. It is impossible to become un-born again.

 

[ChristIsGod]

Just getting back on here and getting caught up with what I've missed ...

You should obey God, and receive his promises. Not twist scripture to support a false gospel of works earning your way to heaven.

Call out on the name of the lord, and yuo will be saved.

Believe in the name of the son, and yuo will HAVE eternal (not conditional) life

He who begun a good work in you will COMPLETE it.

He who has faith is NOT CONDEMNED, but he who does not believe is condemned already (in a condemned state)

The seal of the spirit.

The promise of God, You can KNOW you HAVE eternal life.

everything you post contradicts these passages, and promises of God. so your stuck, You have a bible which contradicts, or yuo have a faulty interpretation of those passages.

Excuse me, but our initial salvation is by grace through faith - but Jesus and James, Paul, Peter, John, Jude all define what "faith" is from the view of someone that has been "saved" and the scriptures that I gave are just a small bit of those that point to our RESPONSIBILITY TO THE GRACE HE'S POURED OUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD AND INVITATION TO US.
With "faith" and by His Grace - we are COMMANDED to REMAIN "FAITHFUL".

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/103168-possible-get-unborn-again-14.html#post1780981

Paul asked, in Rom6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

And in Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

2Cor 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

Heb 12:14-17 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.


To sum up all of your replies to all of my posts on this thread and the countless Scriptures that the others and I have posted - you are saying that we do not need to be FAITHFUL - OBEDIENT - FEAR GOD - nor can we be cut out of the natural Olive Tree or Spued out of His mouth nor be taken out of the Book of Life "as it is written".
ALL of the scriptures that we have posted are to those that are ALREADY SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH and Not To Those That Aren't Saved Yet.

No one can be initially SAVED by works - but once they are claiming to be Blood-Bought children of God through Christ's blood, there IS a "walk", an "obedience", a "faithfulness", and a fear of GOD that knows that we don't trample on His Blood and think that our "faith alone" is going to get us into His Presence ... as those that said "Lord, Lord" in those number of verses I posted for you.

Every place that Paul is saying that we are not saved by the "law", He is talking about The Torah - the 613 laws of Moses that were meant to be our school-master to lead us to Christ.

We know that we are saved by grace through faith but "faith" is an action-verb --- and the fruit has to be there for it to be genuine faith --- making the person FAITHFUL ONTO THE END ..... Obedience to His Whole New Testament is what you are kicking against and that is a dangerous position to take.

everything you post contradicts these passages, and promises of God. so your stuck, You have a bible which contradicts, or yuo have a faulty interpretation of those passages.

Scripture Never Contradicts Scripture and that's all I posted in that post link you've replied to in this quote. o
Only your beliefs contradict the verses that I left in the above link in this post - of which I gave no "interpretation" to -- on purpose. To see your reaction to Just His Word.

It is you that is mis-interpreting those verses and every other verse that I've posted --- because you have a limited amount of Scriptures that you hang on to that cannot stand alone without these others and the rest of the entire New Testament and that's what is important here. You are not realizing that the Whole of His Word - is like taking only pieces of Him Who's Name is The Word of GOD.

It is a very common issue -- "pet verses" always need to have all other verses removed or misinterpreted.

The link I left above are the verses that speak about Enduring Unto the end and Faithfulness and Obedience of those that claim to have been "washed by His BLOOD".

I posted those verses and participated on this thread for only one reason -- because I know what we may probably have to face as a generation and we need to be Biblical "OVERCOMERS" and not trampling or taking His Blood & Grace Lightly --- as all the world will hate us and all of Satan's power and principalities will test us all and tempt us all and 'flatter' us all and if we are weak in any area just mentioned - we're potential goners - according to all the verses we have posted as warnings to those that ARE believing they are saved by His Grace through faith -- as we too believe we are.

But it is an "active faith" [as a verb is, as described by James 2] -- a "faithful faith" -- a God fearing "faith" -- an "a faith that tells us to Endure" - and an "Obedient to His Every Word faith".

I just care and do not cut ANY verses out of His Word to suit my own purposes. Eat the Whole Lamb or none at all.

He commands that we love Him with All of our heart, soul, mind and Strength and to love one another without partiality.

Those two commands alone should be what we think about when each day is done ... did we love Him with all of our strength, which would mean "actions" and did we love our brothers & others without partiality and by our actions?

Without this Love -- we won't be "saved".

 

[STLfan]

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is the "earnest of our salvation" (Eph. 1:14), therefore to lose the Holy Spirit is essentially, becoming "unborn again", as you put it. Two places to indicate the loss of a believer's salvation are John 15:6, and Paul's warning of the apostacy to come in 2 Tim. 4:1, writing that "some will depart from the faith". The departure is willing, preferring the doctrines of demons . .

 

[Jabberjaw]

No, it is not possible. Once you are saved and born again and saved, it is impossible to lose your salvation. It is impossible to become un-born again.

This looks like man made opinion (man made doctrine not found in the doctrine of Christ)

Ephesians 4:14 (NKJV)
14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,

your post has no biblical authority.