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Danielle1234
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What are the steps to be justified by God? Is repentence part of our faith or is it really by faith alone?
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Salvation is wholly of the LORD (Jonah 2:9c).
Everything about salvation is given and granted by God: faith, regeneration, conversion, the Holy Spirit, repentance, etc. is granted by God. Man, or should I say, God's Elect are passive in their salvation and their sanctification that follows.
The Bible says we are justified by faith alone.
"Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 5:1
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [SUP]9 [/SUP]not a result of works, so that no one may boast. " Eph. 2:8-9
However, we do need to respond to God, and that comes after justification.
"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." Eph. 2:10
Faith and repentance are like heads and tails of the same coin. You can't have one without the other.
As we turn to Jesus (faith) we turn away from all else (repentance) ...that constitutes true faith and repentance.
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2Thewaters
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Justification is not by any faith
certainly not by cathlic faith
or brahma faith
or by faith in your technolgy
Justification comes only by Jesus blood which forgives your past sins
IF YOU REPENT and CONSECRATE YOURSELF
Justification is conditional
all yourpast sins are forgiven
and ALL FUTURE LIFE SINS ARE PREVENTED
so you are sanctified
future sins prevented, that is the covenant the New covenant
All past forgiven forgotten and all future sins prevented by prayer and wathing unto prayer By grace
that is the gospel
the cheap Gospel give you only the first half
and without the second half you will perish.
1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in YOUR FLESH WITH POWER TO KEEP YOU FROM SNNING is of God:
the rest are false gospels invented by master hypnotist who knows you like the american way...easy wide salvation
fat people want a pill not self control
its the american way
cheap grace cheap gospel and destruction
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
certainly not by cathlic faith
or brahma faith
or by faith in your technolgy
Justification comes only by Jesus blood which forgives your past sins
IF YOU REPENT and CONSECRATE YOURSELF
Justification is conditional
all yourpast sins are forgiven
and ALL FUTURE LIFE SINS ARE PREVENTED
so you are sanctified
future sins prevented, that is the covenant the New covenant
All past forgiven forgotten and all future sins prevented by prayer and wathing unto prayer By grace
that is the gospel
the cheap Gospel give you only the first half
and without the second half you will perish.
1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in YOUR FLESH WITH POWER TO KEEP YOU FROM SNNING is of God:
the rest are false gospels invented by master hypnotist who knows you like the american way...easy wide salvation
fat people want a pill not self control
its the american way
cheap grace cheap gospel and destruction
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
We are justified by faith alone BUT it is NOT our faith by which this justification is made. Dead men have no faith (Eph. 2:1).
It is on the basis of faith alone that God declares us righteous (justified).
All the "belief only" in the world will never save an impenitent person.
Jn 3:16------------believeth>>>>>>>>>>>not perish/saved
Lk 13:3,5----------repent>>>>>>>>>>>>not perish/saved
Since there is just one way to be saved, then NT belief must include repentance
It's not "belief" as you think we think it is, it's the acceptance of Jesus wholly for salvation. Believing He died and was raised three days later and asking Him into your heart to save you, depending on nothing else--no works, not saints, not backroom deals with Mary, baptism etc. It's a loaded word--"belief" and there are many implications of it.
I believe what you think "belief" is is head knowledge of the Creator, and yes, that does not get you to heaven for even the demons believe there is one God!
When the Bible mentions belief, I'm sure it means belief leading to salvation (which is everything I mentioned in the first paragraph).
Belief is a work, Jn 6:27-29 that includes repentance. Impossible the impenitent will be saved, Rom 2:4,5; Lk 13:3,5.
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StoneThrower
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Five Sola's
Sola Fide, by faith alone.
Sola Scriptura, by Scripture alone.
Solus Christus, through Christ alone.
Sola Gratia, by grace alone.
Soli Deo Gloria, glory to God alone.
When you are saved a legal trasaction takes place, and you are seen as rightousness.
Its repentance and faith are the two wings that fly you to the savior, its like a double sided coin its both!
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StoneThrower
Guest
LoL, we could have the reformation all over again.
I though the New Perspectives of Paul and that attack on justification would cause more stink than what it did.
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StoneThrower
Guest
Faith is also a noun.
[h=2][SUP]1[/SUP]faith[/h] noun \ˈfāth\ : strong belief or trust in someone or something
Let's not complicate things. Through God's kindness and with your changing mind to be like God's you will show works. It comes with or after faith. But faith in and of itself is not a verb. The thief on the cross showed no works after his faith in Christ.
We are all getting caught up in words and what they mean in God's eyes. I recently discovered that God often used the Hebrew language, the Hebrew thinking, the Hebrew culture to communicate with us so we can understand God a lot better if we work at understanding the people God spoke to us through.
I also found that the Hebrew language changed over the thousands of years the bible spans, and the culture changed. Culture in Jerusalem in 30AD is much different from culture in the town Abraham grew up in.
With that in mind, I went back to Hebrew so ancient that it was written in pictographs. The picture of faith is of an arm hammering a nail in a wall!! Huh??? All your beliefs can hang on this nail in a wall so strong and dependable it can hold all. It takes a lot of modern words to say that!
I also found that the Hebrew language changed over the thousands of years the bible spans, and the culture changed. Culture in Jerusalem in 30AD is much different from culture in the town Abraham grew up in.
With that in mind, I went back to Hebrew so ancient that it was written in pictographs. The picture of faith is of an arm hammering a nail in a wall!! Huh??? All your beliefs can hang on this nail in a wall so strong and dependable it can hold all. It takes a lot of modern words to say that!
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Kerry
Guest
The only thing we can do to be justified or sanctified is to place our faith in the cross. That is action, You must believe in your heart and confess with your mouth The Lord Jesus Christ. Then, the Holy Spirit will begin to work in you and through you.
No baptism necessary, it is a free gift. If someone hands you a gift, what do you do, you just reach out and take it. Faith in the work of the cross and not your own as others proclaim.
No baptism necessary, it is a free gift. If someone hands you a gift, what do you do, you just reach out and take it. Faith in the work of the cross and not your own as others proclaim.
He who believes has eternal life. john 6:47 Faith alone, by definition not repentance
Unless you repent you will perish Lk 13:5 Repentance is turning from sin to God, this should be done by unbelievers and believers, all will perish unless they do this, spiritually, physically. Can pertain to initial salvation/justification but is not limited only to it
If you confess with your mouth, you're saved, if you believe in your heart you're justified. Obviously public declaration of faith saves one from the power of sin, this is sanctification/salvation. Believing in the heart (faith alone) justifies one before God and "saves" you from the penalty of sin.
Unless you repent you will perish Lk 13:5 Repentance is turning from sin to God, this should be done by unbelievers and believers, all will perish unless they do this, spiritually, physically. Can pertain to initial salvation/justification but is not limited only to it
If you confess with your mouth, you're saved, if you believe in your heart you're justified. Obviously public declaration of faith saves one from the power of sin, this is sanctification/salvation. Believing in the heart (faith alone) justifies one before God and "saves" you from the penalty of sin.