Is Michael God?

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Katia

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bluto said:
Well who are you to pass judgment on the NT and the Apostle Paul who Jesus Christ Himself personally picked to be an Apostle? Did Jesus "muck" it up in His choice? And yes, Christians were burning each other at the stake, that's one of the reasons we are all sinners and yes, even Christians continue to sin.

And yes again that men will arise as savage wolves among us not sparing the flock speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them, i.e Joseph Smith and all the other cults that have arisen from the time of Christ. Just read Acts 20:27-31. And you have the nerve to say your "more sympathetic to Islam?" Look around you, and tell me what you see? Have you ever been a soldier or been in war, I have and it's absolutely "horrible." I don't know where you live but if you live in these United States you should be thankful to even wake up in the morning and kiss the earth you live on.

Yes, this world is an upholstered cesspool which is why Jesus came to take Christians away from this place to a new heaven and earth. I find it interesting that you quote Micah 6:8 where the prophet is simple reminding the people of the moral demands of the law that God imposed in the OT. If your living by that, or the Hadeeths and the Fatwas, the forma rulings on law you ain't going to make it. Lastly, tell me, what does Muhammad/Islam has to offer that is better than Jesus Christ?

IN GOD THE SON,
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IN GOD THE SON,
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Just stating my opinion. Hardly passing judgement however.
 
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Gideon300 said:
It was quite common for Protestant Christians to believe that Michael was the pre-incarnate Christ.

This link is quite comprehensive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_(archangel)
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Just my opinion, the lack of unity in the denominations is what has driven my desire to study hard and to know God more. The whole disagreement about Trinitarianism seems ludicrous to me. I wonder if they would stone each other to death?

I was involved in Mormonism for several years, mainly because the members I knew were so loving. I kept many of my private beliefs next to my heart. Polygamy was odd and there are lots of reasons they used it. As for me, marriage at my age is a not likely. I don't really care to get drawn into a lengthy discussion about them.
 
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Katia said:
Just my opinion, the lack of unity in the denominations is what has driven my desire to study hard and to know God more. The whole disagreement about Trinitarianism seems ludicrous to me. I wonder if they would stone each other to death?

I was involved in Mormonism for several years, mainly because the members I knew were so loving. I kept many of my private beliefs next to my heart. Polygamy was odd and there are lots of reasons they used it. As for me, marriage at my age is a not likely. I don't really care to get drawn into a lengthy discussion about them.
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Mormons seem mysterious to me. I don't have a clue what they believe.
 
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Mormons seem mysterious to me. I don't have a clue what they believe.
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Briefly; early Mormons were taught that Jews fled Jerusalem around 400 BC and somehow got to the Americas by boat. For me, there are lots of holes in their subsequent story. The Book of Mormon is supposed to be the story of those immigrants. Somehow in the middle 1800s they instituted polygamy, and it continued openly until around 1890. It still exists today in splinter groups but not accepted by the main church. They are non-trinitarians, and I retain that belief. The leadership in Salt Lake City is sort of their "Pope". I don't ridicule them. I encountered them when was at a real low point and their love and support prevented a suicide. I don't consider myself Mormon but am independently a very odd Christian.
 
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justpassinthrough said:
No.


However, there is the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament that was the Preincarnate Jesus Christ, who is the Son of God; the Lord God Almighty.


Can we discuss this from the scriptures?
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Please show scripture you are referring.
 
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Katia said:
Briefly; early Mormons were taught that Jews fled Jerusalem around 400 BC and somehow got to the Americas by boat. For me, there are lots of holes in their subsequent story. The Book of Mormon is supposed to be the story of those immigrants. Somehow in the middle 1800s they instituted polygamy, and it continued openly until around 1890. It still exists today in splinter groups but not accepted by the main church. They are non-trinitarians, and I retain that belief. The leadership in Salt Lake City is sort of their "Pope". I don't ridicule them. I encountered them when was at a real low point and their love and support prevented a suicide. I don't consider myself Mormon but am independently a very odd Christian.
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That is very interesting! Thank you for sharing.
 
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Katia said:
Briefly; early Mormons were taught that Jews fled Jerusalem around 400 BC and somehow got to the Americas by boat. For me, there are lots of holes in their subsequent story. The Book of Mormon is supposed to be the story of those immigrants. Somehow in the middle 1800s they instituted polygamy, and it continued openly until around 1890. It still exists today in splinter groups but not accepted by the main church. They are non-trinitarians, and I retain that belief. The leadership in Salt Lake City is sort of their "Pope". I don't ridicule them. I encountered them .......when.......... was at a real low point and their love and support prevented a suicide. I don't consider myself Mormon but am independently a very odd Christian.
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Is...I....or they....or me ....missing here? It seems...I...properly fits.
 
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Katia said:
Don't care to discuss my private reasons for not respecting the NT after the Gospels.
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The Bible stands or falls as a whole. One cannot accept the Gospels and then disrespect the rest of the NT. As to Islam and the Quran, you are more than welcome to follow the false prophet Muhammad and his corruption of the Bible (which is at the same time an attack on the Gospel of Christ). By the same token your opinions have little value for Christians, who regard the Bible exclusively as the Word of God.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
The Bible stands or falls as a whole. One cannot accept the Gospels and then disrespect the rest of the NT. As to Islam and the Quran, you are more than welcome to follow the false prophet Muhammad and his corruption of the Bible (which is at the same time an attack on the Gospel of Christ). By the same token your opinions have little value for Christians, who regard the Bible exclusively as the Word of God.
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I'm not a Denominational Christian, I don't rely on Pastors to teach me. I do my own Bible study and prayer. I respect your right to your own beliefs, but I do not fit in your little box.
 
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Katia said:
Just my opinion, the lack of unity in the denominations is what has driven my desire to study hard and to know God more. The whole disagreement about Trinitarianism seems ludicrous to me. I wonder if they would stone each other to death?

I was involved in Mormonism for several years, mainly because the members I knew were so loving. I kept many of my private beliefs next to my heart. Polygamy was odd and there are lots of reasons they used it. As for me, marriage at my age is a not likely. I don't really care to get drawn into a lengthy discussion about them.
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Really! Why is it you have problems with violence with Christians killing other Christians (which is definitely wrong) and the following demonstrates how violent Mormonism was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_violence

And you find Trinitarianism ludicrous? I wonder why Mormons went around massacring people? And you also think "Islam" is valid option where everybody is killing each other in the name of religion. The Mormon religion is a non-Christian cult. Here are some of their beliefs. https://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons.html

When I first got saved 59 years ago the very first persons who approached me were two Mormon missionaries. The good news is that "it did not take."

IN GOD THE SON,
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Katia said:
Briefly; early Mormons were taught that Jews fled Jerusalem around 400 BC and somehow got to the Americas by boat. For me, there are lots of holes in their subsequent story. The Book of Mormon is supposed to be the story of those immigrants. Somehow in the middle 1800s they instituted polygamy, and it continued openly until around 1890. It still exists today in splinter groups but not accepted by the main church. They are non-trinitarians, and I retain that belief. The leadership in Salt Lake City is sort of their "Pope". I don't ridicule them. I encountered them when was at a real low point and their love and support prevented a suicide. I don't consider myself Mormon but am independently a very odd Christian.
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How are you odd?
 
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justpassinthrough said:
No.


However, there is the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament that was the Preincarnate Jesus Christ, who is the Son of God; the Lord God Almighty.


Can we discuss this from the scriptures?
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The translators of the KJV believed that Jesus appears in the OT. There is one instance of the capitalized "Son of God" in reference to a being that appeared in a furnace. This capitalization isn't included in many translations, but it shows that the conversation about OT Jesus appearances (in transfigured form) has been going on for a long time.

Whether it is the case or not, it is an interesting topic either way.
 
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bluto said:
Really! Why is it you have problems with violence with Christians killing other Christians (which is definitely wrong) and the following demonstrates how violent Mormonism was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_violence

And you find Trinitarianism ludicrous? I wonder why Mormons went around massacring people? And you also think "Islam" is valid option where everybody is killing each other in the name of religion. The Mormon religion is a non-Christian cult. Here are some of their beliefs. https://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons.html

When I first got saved 59 years ago the very first persons who approached me were two Mormon missionaries. The good news is that "it did not take."

IN GOD THE SON,
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Resisting anger with you, I refer you to God for judgment of others. Pull up your pants and be judged by Him. If you intend to judge me, you will have to get in line because my sins are many. I have not advocated for the Mormons. I only said that I spent time with them. I said I am non Denominational. How much more clear can I be?

I have many regrets and have repented of what I can, but there are some that I have no idea how to repent of...
 
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Katia said:
Resisting anger with you, I refer you to God for judgment of others. Pull up your pants and be judged by Him. If you intend to judge me, you will have to get in line because my sins are many. I have not advocated for the Mormons. I only said that I spent time with them. I said I am non Denominational. How much more clear can I be?

I have many regrets and have repented of what I can, but there are some that I have no idea how to repent of...
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Denominations are man-made and should be avoided. I also do not label myself with a silly denomination, nor do I accept any religions. It's all man-made.
 
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Jocund said:
The translators of the KJV believed that Jesus appears in the OT. There is one instance of the capitalized "Son of God" in reference to a being that appeared in a furnace. This capitalization isn't included in many translations, but it shows that the conversation about OT Jesus appearances (in transfigured form) has been going on for a long time.

Whether it is the case or not, it is an interesting topic either way.
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I have heard the Priest of Salem referred to as a 'type' of Jesus the Christ. I have some rather uncharitable feelings about that sort of thing. But, that sort of thing is best kept to myself.
 
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How are you odd?
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I love God and Jesus the Christ. I have failed often and sometimes in spectacular ways. I know what it is to seek forgiveness from others and not get it. I have accusers in my life and hopefully that keeps me humble.
 
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Katia said:
I love God and Jesus the Christ. I have failed often and sometimes in spectacular ways. I know what it is to seek forgiveness from others and not get it. I have accusers in my life and hopefully that keeps me humble.
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How do you love God?
 
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