Is Revelation 11:11-12 describing Mid-Trib Rapture of Witnesses?

[pittsburghjoe]

Are these the same event? Or different Raptures (Mid-Trib and Post-Trib)?
Does "Then we which are alive and remain" mean the Witnesses that were brought back to physical life or is it the people that convert after a Mid-Trib Rapture?

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17​

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:​

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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Revelation 11:11-12​

And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.​

And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.​

If the Two Witnesses are the Two Candlesticks (Churches) ...then maybe it isn't two guys ...but everyone that is a Witness. Reborn Jews and Gentiles that are Grafted into the Olive Trees.
The scripture says the whole world cheered at their death ...that would mean all witnesses were killed ...or there was a weird Rapture event.

Revelation 11:10​

And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.​

Are the 144,000 the martyrs? Does that make them the Church of Smyrna?
Only Philadelphia and Smyrna have mention of a crown. Smyrna goes through a trial, Philadelphia is delivered from it. (but i don't if this trial applies to the end Tribulation or not)
Their Faith was tested like how the 144,000 are going to be tested.


There isn't 144,000 virgin Jews walking around today. It doesn't mean that. There are only two Tribes of the Twelve recognizable today ...that means it is talking about the Spiritual Descendants of Abraham. The Two Witnesses will not be killed until GOD Lets the antichrist do it ...they have the Seal.

To have the Seal is to have GOD'S Presence.
We are Spiritual Descendants via being Reborn which includes us in the Twelve Tribes ...i just don't know how the Tribe selection works.

Being Reborn is The Way to be grafted into one of the Twelve Tribes which is how you get past the Angels that are guarding the Tree of Life.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Was the first 3.5 of the final week already Utilized with JESUS in the 70 Weeks? Does that mean Tribulation is only going to be 3.5 years? Do the Witnesses have power the same time the antichrist does? Is the Rapture of the Two Witnesses the same Rapture as the Seventh Trumpet?

 

[ewq1938]

Are these the same event?

Obviously not. The first happens only to two people, near the end of 6th trump while the other is a large group and that rapture happens at the beginning of the 7th trump.

 

[lastofall]

for me anyway it means that "..we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord". and nothing wavering.
This again for me anyway shall occur at the coming of the Lord whensoever He cometh.
It is a good thing if we learn not to think above that which is written, so that we can avoid exaggeration and over-estimation which where thinking above that which is written is at.

 

[Absolutely]

ALL the rapture verses are peacetime and prejudgement