Is that the power of Holy Spirit?

[PinkDiamond]

Wow, I went off to work this morning and this thread blew up, haha.

 

[PinkDiamond]

You guys went into a personal discussion on what you have personally seen and heard and this 15 year old (who sounds like she too is born of HIS SPIRIT) discerned something off in her friends.

Instead of addtessing her and her concerns for her friends all of you began to validate things that you personally experienced

This does not help her
nor does it help impressionable and vulnerable 15 year olds who run the risk of being led by sensual carnal things having never entered in by way of CHRIST, born of HIS SPIRIT therefore not able to discern the spirits and what is of GOD and what isn't

I think that some of your advice to Elisabet was actually pretty decent. I never got the chance to respond to some of your earlier posts or Roger's because the thread moved so quickly while I was offline. I think it's good advice that Elisabet and her friends look into the doctrine and beliefs of the churches they are attending. You are right that it's important to find a church that teaches things that line up with Scripture. No experiences or gifts of the spirit can be good if those operating in these gifts deny the deity of Christ, etc I don't think that any of us were advocating that they attend these churches without doing some research first.

You were also right that we shouldn't base our decisions to attend a church because of a desire for excitement. That is fleshly and carnal. There is a difference though between searching for something powerful and alive like Willie said and being bored with hymns and traditional services like Elisabet's friends ( as she described them).
In fairness to all of us, we were trying to present a positive view of spiritual things. What Elisabet was describing did sound questionable, but we were trying to show from our personal experiences that there are real and genuine experiences.


I think the issue in this thread was that some of your responses to others came across as antagonistic. Maybe that was not your intent and was the result of poor communication. However, for those of us who do believe in speaking in tongues, we don't feel really comfortable engaging further in this discussion. It's not pleasant for any of us to have our beliefs ridiculed.

 

[Elisabet]

Quote "So, are you trying to say that the people who have never experienced these things aren't easily moved by the Holy Spirit? (please explain more because i still don't really understand)

Im saying some are more open to the moving of the Spirit as per tongues.



Quote "what i am asking is, are those things really coming from the Holy Spirit? When a priest pushes you down and you suddenly move uncontrollably, is it because of the Holy Spirit? "

I never said being pushed down was of the Spirit. You are making assumptions.


Quote "People are allowed to dance, jump, and give applause at the end of the song. They usually cry and shout and do all those concert things in some songs. Besides, they have this (strange) ritual of falling down and moving uncontrollably and claim that it is done by the Holy Spirit"

I would have to attend a service to see whether this is the flesh or of the Spirit. If its a free for all,its in the flesh. If someone hears a song that moves them to tears is that against the Spirit? No. If someone gives a shout of praise is this against the Holy Spirit or says amen to the preacher? No. While I have seen people dance with joy,briefly, that is more of a rare occurrence. I personally agree with dancing just to dance to music in a concert. I haven't been slain in the spirit but members in my family have. They did not move around but simply prayed quietly to themselves. But again,its something Ive rarely seen. Ive also been in services where everything was done in the flesh and you can tell the difference. If you felt wrong in your spirit perhaps what they were doing was in the flesh. But that doesn't mean everyone is in the flesh that experiences these things.

Sorry, i misunderstood >.< I re read your previous post and realised that I misunderstood
Thank you for the explanation, I really like the few last sentences.

One more question, how do we become more opened to the moving of Spirit? Thank you so much for your help

 

[wolfwint]

I noticed that in some kind of churches, C These Churches believe that that's how the Holy Spirit works.

However, i kind of doubt it. I believe that the Holy Spirit work in us to make us brave in telling people about Jesus, keep us in the right way, and many other productive things. Whereas, in the belief of some people from certain churches, the power of Holy Spirit is about making people fall down and say weird things. Well yea, it might be the part of the power, but why do people keep emphasising it like it's the only power of Holy Spirit?

My question is, does that thing (making people fall down, laugh uncontrollably, hold a service without any liturgies because they believe that everything will happen spontaneously by the power of Holy Spirit, etc) REALLY come from Holy Spirit? If it does, why do people keep glorifying (acting like it is the only amazing thing about Christianity), where actually as Christians, we are supposed to worship Trinity equally?

p.s. i don't know what these churches are called in English, but probably it's Charismatic (Bethel)

Elisabet, what you are describing: (when the priest touch the shoulders of some people, they will suddenly fall down, move uncontrollably and start saying weird languages.) i cant find in the bible, and i would not hold it for the Holy Spirit who is behind that. Yes, its charismatic. Yes, in 1 Cor. 12-14 you can read about talking ore praying in tongues. But it is nowhere in bible said that you receive it in this way.

 

[PeterJens]

MikNic has continued to attack people in different threads. She tried to start an argument with me in another thread but I refused to bite. Thats why she is being told to stop.

If someone wants to start fights, why resist them?

I think resistance confirms their argument. I would always try to understand what their point
is because it could well be a legitimate point they are making.

Some I have found just want to be heard. They are convinced their perspective is crucial.
Often just showing love and acceptance is enough. When you come to things on a rules basis
you often find you create a problem rather than resolve it. This is why Jesus talked about giving
your shirt, do not resist the evil person, turn the other cheek.

But maybe these ideas are too spiritual for some, because they have spent their whole life putting
people in their place, and just transferred this into the christian arena.

By the way I am sure I will be put in my place, but God bless you, the Lords ways are our ways.
David was cursed by a man, and his response was, maybe God sent this man to do this, leave him
alone.

 

[Elisabet]

I probably want to give an update here. I am currently going to a Protestant church and no such things happen here. I am still not sure if the whole falling down and laughing is from the Holy Spirit, i have found no parts of the Bible specifically says that. And to be honest i find it against my conscience.

My friend went to a Christian event and he got pushed so hard by the preacher but he refused to fall down so eventually the preacher left him. And that makes me even more sure that it's not how the Holy Spirit is supposed to work.

Even if falling down and laughing is the work of the Holy Spirit, i would not focus on that. It may seem magical or awesome but i don't think people will turn to God when they see others lying on the floor and moving uncontrollably. So, why don't we emphasize other things that are done by the Holy Spirit? like guiding people to live a holy life, giving them bravery to do ministry, comforting them and making them realize that God is always with them, etc.

I guess that's what i am gonna do. Making people fall down (if that really is the work of the Holy Spirit) is such a small work compared to transforming people's lives. So yeah, i guess that's what we need to start paying more attention to

(although the whole falling down, laughing, and crying hysterically is pretty cool and scary to see, i have to admit)

 

[Nehemiah6]

I am still not sure if the whole falling down and laughing is from the Holy Spirit, i have found no parts of the Bible specifically says that. And to be honest i find it against my conscience.

There is no Scriptural support for this nonsense. So rest assured you should move on.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

However, i kind of doubt it. I believe that the Holy Spirit work in us to make us brave in telling people about Jesus, keep us in the right way, and many other productive things

Stay on this path. You are doing well.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

My friend went to a Christian event and he got pushed so hard by the preacher but he refused to fall down so eventually the preacher left him. And that makes me even more sure that it's not how the Holy Spirit is supposed to work.

I saw something like this at my brother's church once. A visiting preacher was pushing on people's foreheads to make them lose balance and fall backwards. One fellow refused to fall and took a step back every time the preacher pushed. This went on so long that one of his helpers placed a chair right behind the standing person so that when he was pushed again the chair forced him to lose balance and fall into the chair. It's evil what these people are doing. GOD will judge them in due time.