This defeats your reasoning, if babies are born sinners and sinners need savior (Christ), how are babies saved? or are they all condemned because of the sin? Do they need to perform 'the little ritual' for them to be saved?
Is the Gospel a job offer? Or good news aimed at those who believe?
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This defeats your reasoning, if babies are born sinners and sinners need savior (Christ), how are babies saved? or are they all condemned because of the sin? Do they need to perform 'the little ritual' for them to be saved?
Your starting point is off. Grace is more like raising Lazarus from the dead so he can believe can live a new life.
What sin have they committed? Is one guilty for someone else’s sin? Are you held accountable for your sins or someone else’s sins?
Lazarus was used in that parable to represent those born again. . the rising up to new born again spirit life. . The disciples were to remove the grave clothes to represent the wisdom of this world as brother and sisters in the lord. On the last day God will cloth us with the promise .Never to die again as did Lazarus .Elijah and a couple of others examples that was used as a shadow in the same way to represent the first rising .
John 11:23Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
The wage of sin born is being into a body of death .It is the wrath of God revealed to all of mankind from heaven .(Romans 1:18) A person must be born again. Marvel not.
These are your "conclusive" scriptures that ALL INFANTS are saved?
Are infants self seeking or are they persistent in doing good?
I don't think its a very good argument to say that ALL INFANTS are persistent in doing good.
They are persistent in doing good definitely for they know not hate -the one who loves has eternal life, the bible says.
This is what Jesus told grown men:
Matt 18: 3And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
The argument to the contrary is nothing. You say children are born in sin, so how are they saved? Do you have any explanation?
Its completely obvious to me that EVERYONE is born a sinner.
This is ESPECIALLY obvious in children.
Its not too hard to grasp the concept of Salvation. Salvation is the Gift of God and not by peoples work.
Babies are saved the same as everyone else. They are given the Gift of God.
Ok. So how exactly is everyone saved? And if i was saved as a baby by this gift of God, i'm i required to be saved once again as an adult if this salvation is eternal?
I would agree no one knows the number.
God was still communing bringing new prophecy with David .He must of revealed his son was given faith, an answer to his crying out..
As soon as they are born they go forth telling lies. Having not been revealed the gospel truth as it is written. Therefore they had no way to seek him out having no understanding of faith ? No person of their own volition can seek . A person must be born again .Why marvel just believe as David ?
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.Roman3:10=11
All you have to do is show the scriptures that state that infants are born sinless.
Otherwise, we must assume that everyone is born with the Lust of the Flesh, the Lust of the Eyes and the Pride of Life. I don't know why anyone would assume this is something that is learned later in life and not inherited by birth.
Everyone who is saved is saved By God.Ok. So how exactly is everyone saved? And if i was saved as a baby by this gift of God, i'm i required to be saved once again as an adult if this salvation is eternal?
No one is saved because of their thoughts or their works.
Who would require you to be saved 2x? Saved is saved. The only problem here is that only the person that is saved KNOWS they are saved. One person can't tell another person if they are or are not saved.
You assume babies are born wicked sinners and sin as infants. What about babies in the womb? What sin are they committing?
Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Romans 5:13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Perfectly ok with me but i still think it defeats your own logic or ideas about salvation.
If salvation is for sinners and it is not what we do or think, then everyone in the world is saved.
Well, based on my understanding of the bible (salvation), i can confidently (and i know) say that infants are all saved. None of them goes to the hell fire.
Yes. Born in flesh. Born with the Lust of the Flesh, the Lust of the Eyes and the Pride of Life.
This is the description of the flesh, right?
Are babies born without this?
You’re describing the world not babies. Do babies lust after the things of the world? Babies in the womb?
1 John 2
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Psalms 51:5Surely I was brought forth in iniquity; I was sinful when my mother conceived me.