LOL LOL LOL LOL it is amazing what manoeuvres Christians will use to avoid the truth. If Jesus had never been close to them then they had never been His. You really must do better than that. 0/10
Is the Prophet lying?
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LOL LOL LOL LOL it is amazing what manoeuvres Christians will use to avoid the truth. If Jesus had never been close to them then they had never been His. You really must do better than that. 0/10
The question is: How they are able to do miracles in the "Authority" of Jesus and not have known Him?
Pharisees today don't do miracles in the "Authority" of Jesus, because they don't know Him. It is only those who know Him which can perform healing, casting out demons and miracles. They understand the power. The gifts of God are given and unrecallable, which means those who have them can continue using them in a fallen state.
Pharisees today don't do miracles in the "Authority" of Jesus, because they don't know Him. It is only those who know Him which can perform healing, casting out demons and miracles. They understand the power. The gifts of God are given and unrecallable, which means those who have them can continue using them in a fallen state.
Can those who do not have the Spirit actually cast out demons and perform miraculous healings and spectacular signs and wonders? There are two possible explanations for the ability of the ungodly to perform such acts. One is that some miracles are done by the power of Satan and his demonic host. They are incredibly powerful beings who can manipulate physical elements to their own ends. Consider the power God allowed Satan to use to afflict Job—lightning, wind (possibly a tornado), and boils all over his body (Job 1:16, 19, 2:7). These are certainly miraculous events. Exodus 7 describes the magicians and sorcerers of Egypt whose “secret arts” impressed many, but clearly these were not men of God. In the New Testament, Paul confronted Elymas the Jewish sorcerer and false prophet, calling him a child of the devil, full of all kinds of deceit and trickery (Acts 13:6-11). So we see that not all miracles come from God and not all who perform miracles in the name of Jesus are truly His. He calls them evildoers because the miracles they perform have evil as their source. In fact, Jesus warned us to be on guard against their deception as the end times draw near (Matthew 24:24). http://www.gotquestions.org/Matthew-7-21-23.html
Yes! That's one plausible answer and a good one. However, I have known people powerful in the Holy Spirit who were seduced by riches and other lusts, which sadly lead them astray. They began to do things which were self serving. The answer is not so clear as to who these people are that Jesus is speaking about.
Ah! Yes! The prophet Balam comes to mind. Everyone wants to say he was a false prophet. The problem is, "God spoke to Balam and said.....". If he was a false prophet God would not be speaking to him. It is also clear from the text [those of us who like to follow the text] that he was a prophet of God for quite a while. Balam was a Gentile prophet and had no allegiance to the Israelite's. Every time he went to prophesy God put a blessing in his mouth. If he was a false prophet he would not be able to prophesy anything from God. Balam was enticed by the riches he was offered and told the gentile king how to destroy Israel, because he could not curse them. Now people can deny all they want according to their commentary teachings, but the scripture is firm upon who Balam was.
Which is neither here nor there since using the "name of the Lord in vain" is really attaching God's name to a teaching or prophecy to justify that teaching or prophecy. We were all taught is is using God's name as a substitute curse word. Now while that is plausible it goes deeper that that. And I'm sure OMG! is not meant to be a curse word. "O my gosh\gee\geewiz" are all just derivatives. I wouldn't loose sleep over it.
Part of the main problem on this forum is that people are not following the text as it is written. They are substituting commentary and personal beliefs derived from corrupt systematic theologies.
All I asked people to do was tell me if the prophet John was correct in his statement according to the text. Most all I got was how to by pass what he said [ignore him] and substitute a different narrative. A narrative not found in the text. Then they tried to apply manipulation of the text by using other out of context verses to disqualify the prophet. None of that is maturity or even godly. This is the same thing the Pharisees did. They used their commentaries [Talmud] to manipulate the words of the prophets and make the Word of God ineffective. They were great at exegesis, their private interpretation exegesis. Nothing has changed!
All I asked people to do was tell me if the prophet John was correct in his statement according to the text. Most all I got was how to by pass what he said [ignore him] and substitute a different narrative. A narrative not found in the text. Then they tried to apply manipulation of the text by using other out of context verses to disqualify the prophet. None of that is maturity or even godly. This is the same thing the Pharisees did. They used their commentaries [Talmud] to manipulate the words of the prophets and make the Word of God ineffective. They were great at exegesis, their private interpretation exegesis. Nothing has changed!
John said one thing, and Jesus said another according to the text. Whom do you believe?
If that's true then doesn't that make God unjust? Think of the person that lied, cheated, stole and murdered all of his life. If he dies without accepting Christ's pardon and is welcomed into the Kingdom then how is justice served? The concept of eternal justice is turned on its head, wouldn't you say?
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jaybird88
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Jesus said of John, "And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come."
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jaybird88
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i believe one is always held accountable for their sins in this world or the next and justice is done. i also believe som sins are greater than others. our Lord can forgive all sins the same but some sins carry you further from the Holy Father making it harder to turn back,there fore if one comments to much sin and wickedness it can carry them past the point of no return.
Can't comment now because of work, but will address the questions in a civil manner. Everyone is making a good point.
The problem my dear lady [assuming your the lady in the avatar and not the horse
] is in the definitions.Both John and Jesus were preaching the same message. The difference was John was heralding the Messiah as well as the Kingdom of God. Jesus was heralding the Kingdom of God [KOG] and declaring He was the one whom John spoke of, the Anointed One of God. John said,"Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world". And Jesus said,"If I am lifted up I will draw ALL men unto me". John and Jesus were not in conflict. The "act of forgiveness" is different than "Deliverance". The modern church has made them synonymous, they are not They are two separate actions.
The Prodigal Son story is the example. The son was forgiven while he was still in the pig pen. How do we know? The father was constantly looking down the waiting for his son. The son did not receive deliverance until he came home. Paul states our mission is reconciliation. [I posted these verses earlier] We are to bring the message that ALL have been forgiven, and reconciled [While we were yet in sin Christ died for us] and for people to repent. Now once again the modern church has corrupted the meaning of repent. Repent means to turn back toward God. This is what the Prodigal son did, he turned back toward his father. The act of turning back toward God gives us salvation. Hence, back to John and his message of repentance.
I want to preface this conversation with civility. We don't need to be vile with each other. I don't expect anyone to be in 100% agreement with me and I don't need to agree with anyone else. We are here to learn and hopefully learn from each other or cause each other to think outside the box.
We have to establish the character of God. He is a creator of a universe which spans 12 billion light years from end to end. He does not live in that universe because it is basically in the palm of His hand. We are taught that this great being is chomping at the bit to punish us all in an everlasting fire. Its like He has nothing else to do but breath threats. That sounds like a man to me. I believe that God has been cast in the image of men in modern christianity. God is Love! I read nowhere where God is justice. The core being of God is Love. If that's the case then we need to understand "Justice" from that premise.
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KennethC
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Well it does not matter how you see it , it matters how it is presented and Oh My Gosh is not taking the Lord's name in vain.
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jaybird88
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the Lords name is holy and IMO using it in any manner thats not holy is sinful. it shouldnt even be used in the same context the way you would say your buddies name you go fishing with.