Is the Teaching of Hellfire Loving and Just?

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"“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
The eternal punishment is to never rise to new spirit life again. This indicates God did not have mercy and therefore grace on some. For as many that do not have the eternal born again, Spirit of Christ, do not belong to Him.

There is no suffering for God not having mercy on some of the objects of clay he uses for noble purposes (a kingdom of priests typified the the believer) that He is forming Christ in.If Christ through his perfect law does not quicken our soul giving us simply ones His understanding .They will not be woken up on the last day to receive their promised incorruptible bodies.

God does not punish people because He did not apply His mercy and grace to them

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
 
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Adam took a bite out of a peace of fruit, and mankind and this earth has suffered severely ever since, God does not have the right to punish people who sin just because we are only here for 70 to 80 years? What kind of nonsense is this?

If we commit one sin, we have for fitted all rights to even walk or be given one thing from God for all eternity. what we have done is condemned ourselves to an eternity apart from God. Is that fair? It does not matter what we think.

God took our penalty, He offers us forgiveness,, if we reject that we have no one to blame but ourselves because we will spend eternity seperated from him (and yes, that is hell)

to blame God as unjust if he send people out of his sight forever? wow.. just wow
 

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I guess what I am saying is.
Did HE or did HE not come into the world?
And if HE did...for what reason?
To do the will of His Father: to seek and save the lost; to call sinners to repentance; to save sinners; to save the world through Him; that we might have life more abundantly; to demonstrate the true purpose of life and give Himself a ransom; be a King and bear witness to the truth; to be a light in the world, that whosoever believeth on Him should not abide in darkness. He came to judge the world; preach the Good News about the Kingdom of God; to fulfill the law and die on the cross to be the propitiation for our sins; to be a divider of humanity. To bless you; to turn you from your iniquities; to redeem us from the curse of the law.

"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
 

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it would be wonderful if there was no eternal torment but we are also looking at this from a human perspective not a Godly one, it seems unloving to send rebellious children to eternal hell fire but we as humans have a very limited insight as to why he does this.
The existence of such a place is spoken of many times in the bible Mathew 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
revelation 20;14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Mathew 25:46 Then they will go to eternal punishment but the righteous to eternal life.

There many scriptures that don't speak of such a place but describe it in great detail also if you didn't notice this I wanted to point this out- the entire bible speaks far more about eternal life than it does eternal hell.
My thing is I wonder if hell fire is the right way to get people to Christ? I mean if we speak of this hell fire and eternal punishment yes it may scare people to come to God but I wonder what kind of relationship they will have with him? We could say well as long as they are saved that is what matters right? I would disagree being saved is only the first step I think the kind of relationship they have with him after is extremely vital.

even if they become saved I would never have the heart to put in their minds that he is God to fear in the sense that if you screw up have fun with the eternal flames and the unimaginable suffering, if I were to lead someone to God I wouldn't scare them into it or else they will not have a high chance of building an actual bond with him one of love peace and comfort they will not obey and follow him out of love but out of fear
 

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If there are any Scriptures that tell us eternal life is possible any other way than through being born again again of the Spirit of God through grace and faith in His finished work upon the cross, I surely would like to see them. Otherwise I shall stick with what Scripture plainly lays out as has already been said:

The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God
is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life pass from death to life. All others pass into the second death. This is, again, quite plainly stated in Scriptures. Death is given as the consequence of sin from the beginning of the Bible to the end. The lake of fire was created for the devil and his angels. Why or how anyone can think a loving just and merciful God would need to torture and torment forever after those who reject Him is itself demonic.
 

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If there are any Scriptures that tell us eternal life is possible any other way than through being born again again of the Spirit of God through grace and faith in His finished work upon the cross, I surely would like to see them. Otherwise I shall stick with what Scripture plainly lays out as has already been said:

The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God
is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life pass from death to life. All others pass into the second death. This is, again, quite plainly stated in Scriptures. Death is given as the consequence of sin from the beginning of the Bible to the end. The lake of fire was created for the devil and his angels. Why or how anyone can think a loving just and merciful God would need to torture and torment forever after those who reject Him is itself demonic.
Magenta the word death is used many times in the bible but it doesn't always imply that death is the end death is only the beginning and there are countless of scriptures that speak of those who refuse to accept God's loving hand that are thrown into the eternal fire, we cannot simply discard all the evidence of such a thing because we can't see a loving and just God doing that.

Believe me I would give anything for it to not be true I would give my life and all treasures he has for me in his kingdom for it to not be so I would live in a cardboard box in heaven for it to not be so but even if the scriptures themselves didn't show enough evidence I have personally seen this lake of fire and eternal torment I was taken to the place known as hades and hell I saw the tormented souls I saw the lake of fire I felt the intense heat thirst and humidity the second I entered that place my shirt was glued to my skin from both the heat and my sweat.

the things I saw there I would not wish upon even the most evil of souls but it is an actual place and all the bible speaks of it is true as I have seen it with my own eyes. I cannot say for sure why he brought me there but I would guess it was to testify of what the scriptures say is true and to be a witness
 

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Magenta the word death is used many times in the bible but it doesn't always imply that death is the end death is only the beginning and there are countless of scriptures that speak of those who refuse to accept God's loving hand that are thrown into the eternal fire, we cannot simply discard all the evidence of such a thing because we can't see a loving and just God doing that.

Believe me I would give anything for it to not be true I would give my life and all treasures he has for me in his kingdom for it to not be so I would live in a cardboard box in heaven for it to not be so but even if the scriptures themselves didn't show enough evidence I have personally seen this lake of fire and eternal torment I was taken to the place known as hades and hell I saw the tormented souls I saw the lake of fire I felt the intense heat thirst and humidity the second I entered that place my shirt was glued to my skin from both the heat and my sweat.

the things I saw there I would not wish upon even the most evil of souls but it is an actual place and all the bible speaks of it is true as I have seen it with my own eyes. I cannot say for sure why he brought me there but I would guess it was to testify of what the scriptures say is true and to be a witness
The wages of sin is death, Blain. Scripture is plain as day about it. Twist it all you want, make God a monster if you must. The lake of fire was created for the devil and his angels, you posted that yourself. I can't force you to be reasonable about what the Bible plainly states. For some reason people must make mortal beings immortal and say they will last forever in some state of torment. All things will be made new, oh, except this corner of creation where God is torturing forever those people from the old creation who refused to bow their knee to Him? Hmmm. Yeah, I see where people are coming from, I just cannot accept it at all. Not only is it not Biblical it absolutely makes no sense to me. Will those who refuse God be destroyed? Yes. And that will be the end of them, not the beginning as you say.
 
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The wages of sin is death, Blain. Scripture is plain as day about it. Twist it all you want, make God a monster if you must. The lake of fire was created for the devil and his angels, you posted that yourself. I can't force you to be reasonable about what the Bible plainly states. For some reason people must make mortal beings immortal and say they will last forever in some state of torment. All things will be made new, oh, except this corner of creation where God is torturing forever those people from the old creation who refused to bow their knee to Him? Hmmm. Yeah, I see where people are coming from, I just cannot accept it at all. Not only is it not Biblical it absolutely makes no sense to me. Will those who refuse God be destroyed? Yes. And that will be the end of them, not the beginning as you say.
the wage of sin is death,

You were born dead, If you are not born again, you will die (physically) dead. And this death will be eternal.

God is not going to make it easy for those who rejected him, by just cutting them off to where they do not exist anymore. we are all eternal beings, where we spend eternity, is up to us.
 
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The lake of fire was created for the devil and his angels
What happens to the devil the angels in the LoF?

Do you believe they will be tormented day and night forever and ever?

New American Standard Bible
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 
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Is it loving and just to withhold THE TRUTH?
God promised Noah to bear with our sins for the moment but not beyond the final judgment. In the end, one is either with God or he's not, there's nothing in between. Those not are thus said to be put to a permanent separation from God. Without guidance from God, they will eventually go the same path as Satan and his angels do. It will be a dead end where they will be all Satan like and will sin to the extreme that the hell fire thus awaits.
 

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The wages of sin is death, Blain. Scripture is plain as day about it. Twist it all you want, make God a monster if you must. The lake of fire was created for the devil and his angels, you posted that yourself. I can't force you to be reasonable about what the Bible plainly states. For some reason people must make mortal beings immortal and say they will last forever in some state of torment. All things will be made new, oh, except this corner of creation where God is torturing forever those people from the old creation who refused to bow their knee to Him? Hmmm. Yeah, I see where people are coming from, I just cannot accept it at all. Not only is it not Biblical it absolutely makes no sense to me. Will those who refuse God be destroyed? Yes. And that will be the end of them, not the beginning as you say.
Magenta you have known me for quite a while have you ever known me to twist the scriptures to fit my own beliefs and views? have I not always done my best to speak the heart and love of God? have I not always shown others the God of love and mercy and how far he is willing to go for even the most evil of souls? Why would I who speaks so often of the love and heart of God suddenly turn around and make him out to be a monster? Do you have any idea how deeply it hurts me to know that such a place exists especially seeing it with my own eyes? Do you have any idea the tears I have shed from seeing the people there and how they were tormented? there was even a man I saw there that to this day have begged God have mercy on and to let his torment end.

God is not a monster for allowing these people to suffer for eternity he only appears that way because our human perception makes him appear that way we are looking at this from a human perspective not his and we see unjust punishment from a human insight not his and thus we see it as unloving unjust unfair and cruel and evil. You can never imagine the horrors I saw there the pain and sorrow my heart felt seeing it all the kind ache I feel just remembering it. The scriptures speak of all this but we disregard them and pick and choose what scriptures to believe and accept, the scriptures are more than clear about people being thrown in that place and yet we choose cherry pick and say well the scriptures clearly say the wages of sin is death but it is true isn't it? God made it clear to adam and eve if they ate from the fruit of the tree they would die and die they did and when we were sinners and lived according to our own fleshly and sinful desires and ways of life were we not dead inside? I have always considered myself a a zombie because looking back before I knew God I was dead and my sins were so deeply intertwined with my being dead but when I found God for the first time I knew what it felt like to be alive
 

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From a human point of view it seems unjust to send a soul to everlasting punishment, but God knows what he is doing! Besides, I don't know another God and don't know another redeemer apart from Jesus.
Jesus said: "strait is the gate and narrow is the way"[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif], but He also said: [/FONT]"my yoke is easy and my burden is light". If we serve God with a cheerful heart and a servant's spirit, we'll have no time to worry about everlasting punishment.
 

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Magenta you have known me for quite a while have you ever known me to twist the scriptures to fit my own beliefs and views? have I not always done my best to speak the heart and love of God? have I not always shown others the God of love and mercy and how far he is willing to go for even the most evil of souls? Why would I who speaks so often of the love and heart of God suddenly turn around and make him out to be a monster? Do you have any idea how deeply it hurts me to know that such a place exists especially seeing it with my own eyes? Do you have any idea the tears I have shed from seeing the people there and how they were tormented? there was even a man I saw there that to this day have begged God have mercy on and to let his torment end.

God is not a monster for allowing these people to suffer for eternity he only appears that way because our human perception makes him appear that way we are looking at this from a human perspective not his and we see unjust punishment from a human insight not his and thus we see it as unloving unjust unfair and cruel and evil. You can never imagine the horrors I saw there the pain and sorrow my heart felt seeing it all the kind ache I feel just remembering it. The scriptures speak of all this but we disregard them and pick and choose what scriptures to believe and accept, the scriptures are more than clear about people being thrown in that place and yet we choose cherry pick and say well the scriptures clearly say the wages of sin is death but it is true isn't it? God made it clear to adam and eve if they ate from the fruit of the tree they would die and die they did and when we were sinners and lived according to our own fleshly and sinful desires and ways of life were we not dead inside? I have always considered myself a a zombie because looking back before I knew God I was dead and my sins were so deeply intertwined with my being dead but when I found God for the first time I knew what it felt like to be alive
Blain, give me ONE Scripture that says the soul of man is immortal aside form the life found in Christ.
 

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What are the wages of sin? And what is the wages of sin contrasted with?
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God
is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
(Romans 6:23)

What did our Lord say would happen to those who don't believe in him?
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not
believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.
(John 8:24)

What did God say would happen to the wicked?
But the wicked will perish: Though the LORD's enemies
are like the flowers of the field, they will be consumed,
they will go up in smoke.
(Psalm 37:20)


What fate are we spared from when we accept Christ as lord and savior?
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
(John 3:16)

How does the Bible define death? Do the dead KNOW that they are dead?
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

Do the dead have any consciousness at all?
Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom there is no salvation. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. (Psalm 146:4)

What about "immortal souls"? Is there really any such thing, or can souls die?
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. (Ezekiel 18:20)

What is a soul? Is it something we have, or are we souls ourselves?
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Genesis 2:7)

Did our lord say that souls who enter hellfire would continue to exist forever, or that they would be destroyed?
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (Mathew 10:28)

How does the Bible describe the final lake of fire that all the wicked are cast in to?
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (Revelation 20:14)

Will the fire really destroy them? Or just torture them?
They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might. (2 Thessalonians 1:9)

What are the dead doing right now?
Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. (Acts 2:29)

Is anyone in heaven right now, other than Jesus Christ?
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man. (John 3:13)

How did the prophet Malachi describe the final fate of the wicked?
Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace.
All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and
the day that is coming will set them on fire," says the
LORD Almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left
to them. But for you who revere my name, the sun
of righteousness will rise with healing in its rays.
And you will go out and frolic like well-fed calves.
Then you will trample on the wicked; they will be
ashes under the soles of your feet
on the day when
I act," says the LORD Almighty.
(Malachi 4:3)


-Is God a sadist? Does he delight in the suffering of others?
Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live? (Ezekiel 18:23)

"Test everything, hold fast to that which is good." (1 thessalonians 5:21)

Thank you, Ellwood :)

You will find nothing from Genesis onward warning man to fear God because He is going to torture us forever after if we reject Him, but again and again and again and again you will find Scripture attesting, from Genesis onward, to the fact that the soul that sins shall die. Given that Jesus has paid the price for all sins but that of unbelief, and the further dearth (complete lack) of any Scripture saying anything about the soul of man being immortal, or having life of its own aside from the life given to us by God through His Son, since eternal life is found only in Jesus Christ... it is not rocket science, but very sound theology, to accept that the Giver of Life simply withdraws Himself from those who reject Him in the final analysis.

Scripture promises those who reject Jesus Christ death, not life ever after filled with torment and torture etc. In fact, death is the promised outcome of sin in a multitude of Scriptures, so many that it becomes difficult for me to understand why others are so attached to their idea of God, who is merciful, just, and loving, forever after torturing and tormenting those who reject Him. Eternal life is offered only through the acceptance of Jesus Christ via His propitiatory sacrifice on our behalf. Nothing in Scripture attests to the eternal or immortal nature of the soul aside from the life benevolently bestowed upon us by God. The second death is a punishment that lasts forever after, affirmed multiple times throughout Scripture: the wages of sin is death.

The second death is promised to those who refuse the offer of life extended to us through the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus on our behalf. Those whose names are not found in the book of life are not experiencing life, they are dead as a result of the second death, as Scripture states, again, and again, and again, and again i.e. the wages of sin is death, the soul that sinneth shall die. All sin but that of unbelief is forgiven. Nowhere does Scripture promote the idea of an immortal soul aside from the life given through Christ. The dead know nothing. Their destruction means they are gone forever. That is punishment everlasting. There is no coming back from that, no more chances to have life after that.

Hell is a translation of four different words in Scripture (Sheol in the older testaments, and Hades, Gehenna, and Tartarus in the newer testaments), not to be confused with the lake of fire, which hell eventually gets thrown into. The lake of fire was created for the devil and his demons (fallen angels). (Matthew 25:41)
 

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Blain, give me ONE Scripture that says the soul of man is immortal aside form the life found in Christ.
The parable fo the sheep and goats 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.
32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
 

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the entire passage I posted not the just bold speaks of those who reject him and what happens to them
 

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The lost perish and are no more. They go to their death, and are
not eternally tortured and tormented forever. Hell is the grave,
and both it and death are thrown into the lake of fire, which makes
an end forever through the second death to those who oppose God.


Matt 7:13
Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad
that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.


Matthew 10:28
Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but
rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


Luke 13:3
I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
Here, the Greek word for perish is apoleisthe, which means
to utterly destroy, kill, slay, demolish, make void.


Jesus says that the end for the unrighteous will be the same as for those in the days of Noah (Luke 17:27), "the flood came and destroyed them all" (not tortured). And it will be the same as for Sodom (verse 29) "destroyed them" (not tortured).

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

So a person either receives eternal life, or they perish. Nothing about eternal torment there.

John 5:24, Jesus said
"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me
has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life."


Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Note: Death, not eternal torment.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.
Destroy, not torture or torment alive forever.

Galations 6:8
For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption (phthoran), but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
phthoran: From phtheiro; decay, i.e. Ruin (spontaneous or inflicted, literally or figuratively) -- corruption, destroy, perish.
The one who sows to his own flesh reaps destruction, not eternal living torment.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
Destruction, not eternal living torment. The greek word is olethron: destruction.
From a primary ollumi (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruination, i.e. Death, punishment -- destruction.

Hebrews 10:39
But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.

James 1:15b
and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

James 4:12a
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy;

2 Peter 3:7
But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
All ungodly men will perish unless they repent.

1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
If you are not alive you cannot be tormented and tortured!

Jude 5
Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.

Revelation 2:11b
He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.
The living and the dead will be judged on the last day. Those in Christ will not experience the second death, being rewarded with life. Those not in Christ will experience a second death. This second death is their final, everlasting, and utter destruction.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction.

Revelation 20:14-15
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
John interprets this for us: the lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name is not in the book of life, he experiences the second death. This is exactly what it says, death.

Revelation 21:8
“But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
They will undergo the second death, which means they are dead.

After the first sin, what was the promised consequence? God said that it was death. God didn't tell them that they would be given eternal life being tormented in hell. If eternal torture in hell is the consequence, it is jarringly missing from any statement by God to Adam and Eve. God even barred Adam and Eve from the garden to prevent them eating from the tree of life and living forever in their state of sin. Paul explains this: Romans 6:23, The wages of sin is death. This is obvious, Paul said what the wages of sin is and it is not to be burned alive forever after you are resurrected.

Ezekiel 18:4
The soul who sins will die.

Psalm 1:4-6
Not so the wicked!
They are like chaff
that the wind blows away.
Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,
nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
For the LORD watches over the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked leads to destruction.


Psalm 9:5
You have rebuked the nations and destroyed the wicked;
you have blotted out their name for ever and ever.

Psalm 9:6
even the memory of them has perished.

Psalm 34:16
but the face of the LORD is against those who do evil,
to blot out their name from the earth.

Psalm 37:9
For those who are evil will be destroyed,

Psalm 37:20
But the wicked will perish:

Psalm 37:22
those he curses will be destroyed

Psalm 37:28b
Wrongdoers will be completely destroyed

Psalm 37:34
when the wicked are destroyed, you will see it.

Psalm 37:38
But all sinners will be destroyed;
there will be no future for the wicked.

Ecclesiastes 9:5
the dead know nothing
 

Magenta

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the entire passage I posted not the just bold speaks of those who reject him and what happens to them
Sorry, Blain, that says nothing of an immortal soul.
 

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Sorry, Blain, that says nothing of an immortal soul.
I would think if one was to go to eternal punishment as the scripture says one would have to have an immortal soul to go through eternal torment. You asked for a single scripture to prove it and i gave it
 

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I would think if one was to go to eternal punishment as the scripture says one would have to have an immortal soul to go through eternal torment. You asked for a single scripture to prove it and i gave it
No, you gave a Scripture that attests to the fact that the second death last forever after, as contrasted against the first, which as we know, we await the judgement of all after being resurrected from the first death. If you are found in Christ, you pass from death into life in Him. If you are not found in Him, you pass into the second death. That is explicitly stated.