Is there a 1007 year gap between the Rapture and the Day of God’s Wrath? Not exactly.

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Jan 17, 2020
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The rapture;

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17)

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Corinthians 15:51–53)

But it happens after the resurrection. Which happens on the last day

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” 1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV 1900)

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28–29)

“And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.” (John 6:39)

“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day.” John 6:44 (HCSB)

“so man lies down and does not rise; until the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor arise from their sleep.” (Job 14:12) (NET)
 
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There is only 2 resurrections one of the saints before the millennial reign of Christ, and one of the dead after the millennial reign of Christ.

Whoever does not make it in the first resurrection has to go to the second resurrection.

There is no 2 resurrections of the saints for if they miss the first resurrection they will go to the second resurrection, which Jesus said they will have their portion with the hypocrites, and when Jesus shuts the door and you knock you cannot enter.

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, and there are souls under the altar waiting for the rest of the saints to join them, and then Jesus will avenge them when He puts down the world.

But they probably do not have their glorified body until all the saints are with Jesus, which is why the Bible says the souls are under the altar.

The dead shall rise first probably means that they receive their glorified body first, and then those that remain will be caught up and receive their glorified body.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

As soon as the resurrection happens Jesus will put down the world.
 
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There is only 2 resurrections one of the saints before the millennial reign of Christ, and one of the dead after the millennial reign of Christ.

Whoever does not make it in the first resurrection has to go to the second resurrection.

There is no 2 resurrections of the saints for if they miss the first resurrection they will go to the second resurrection, which Jesus said they will have their portion with the hypocrites, and when Jesus shuts the door and you knock you cannot enter.

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, and there are souls under the altar waiting for the rest of the saints to join them, and then Jesus will avenge them when He puts down the world.

But they probably do not have their glorified body until all the saints are with Jesus, which is why the Bible says the souls are under the altar.

The dead shall rise first probably means that they receive their glorified body first, and then those that remain will be caught up and receive their glorified body.
Jesus says the two resurrections happen on the last day. = you need to rethink Revelation 20.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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I've posted this before about the "days" (and/or "day") issues (the ones that are not "singular 24-hr days"):

Hosea 5:15-6:3 [re: Israel] -

14 For I am like a lion to Ephraim

and like a young lion to the house of Judah.

I, even I, will tear them to pieces

and then go away.

I will carry them off

where no one can rescue them.

15 Then I will return to My place

until they admit their guilt and seek My face;

in their affliction

they will earnestly [or, early] seek Me.”

6:1 Come, let us [Israel] return to the LORD.

For He has torn us [Israel] to pieces,

but He will heal us [Israel];

He has wounded us [Israel],

but He will bind up our [Israel's] wounds.

2 After two days He will revive [H2421] us [Israel]; [see H2421 in Ezekiel 37 also - vv.3,5,6,9,10,14]

on the third day He will raise [H6965] us [Israel] up, [see H6965 in Isaiah 26 also ____]

that we [Israel] may live [H2421 (ditto the above note)] in His presence.

3 So let us [Israel] know—

let us [Israel] press on to know the LORD.

As surely as the sun rises,

He will appear;

He will come to us [Israel] like the rain,

like the spring showers that water the earth [/as the latter rain unto the earth].


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[then... quoting Gaebelein's Commentary on Hosea 5]

"And like the lion after his attack withdraws to his den, so the Lord would withdraw from them, leave them and return to His place, waiting till their repentance comes and they seek Him early in their affliction.

"The last verse of this chapter has a wider meaning than the past judgment which came upon the house of Israel. The Lord of glory came to earth and visited His people. He came with the message and offer of the kingdom to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. He came unto His own, but His own received Him not. After they had rejected Him, delivered Him into the hands of the Gentiles to be crucified, He returned to His place. There He is now at the right hand of God, waiting for that day, when the remnant of Israel will repent and seek His face Acts 3:19-26. That will be in their coming great affliction, in the time of Jacob’s trouble.

"Hosea 6:1-3. The division of the chapter at this point is unfortunate. The three verses of chapter 6 must not be detached from the previous chapter. Here we have the future repentance of the remnant of Israel, that is during the great tribulation. Believingly they will acknowledge His righteous judgment and express their faith and hope in His mercy and the promised blessings and restoration. They express what their great prophet Moses so beautifully stated in His prophetic song, that great vision given to him, ere he went to the mountain to die. “See now that I, even I, am He and there is no god with Me; I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal; neither is there any that can deliver out of My hand” Deuteronomy 32:39. “After two days will He revive us; on the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight (literally, before His face).” They have been dead spiritually and nationally, but when the two days of their blindness and dispersion are over, there is coming for them the third day of life and [what is *LIKENED UNTO a] resurrection."

--Gaebelein, Commentary on Hosea 5 (taken from Bible Hub)

[end quoting Gaebelein; bold and underline mine; bracketed insertion mine]


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[note the passages I've listed before that *LIKEN this UNTO a RESURRECTION ^ (re: Israel's "FUTURE"): Romans 11:15(25-29); Ezekiel 37:12-14,20-23; Isaiah 26:16-21; Daniel 12:1-4,10; John 6:39 (distinct from v.40); Hosea 5:15-6:3 "after TWO days" and "IN the THIRD day"... which is "THE LAST" of these three (counting from His resurrection/ascension [32ad], per Hos5:15), or "THE LAST" of seven (if you count from creation/Genesis 1, i.e. the "sabbatismos" of Heb4:9 (see Ex31:13,17 "it [the sabbath/7th day] is A SIGN between Me and Israel for ever"), aka the Millennial Day of REST, that is, the 7th Millennium, or "THE LAST")]


I believe it is a big mistake to view the phrase "The Last Day" to be referring to "a singular 24-hr day" (as the OP is suggesting).
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Is there a 1007 year gap between the Rapture and the Day of God’s Wrath?
The above sentence shows a lack of understanding of the "CHRONOLOGY" issues.

For example, does the OP believe that the SEVEN VIALS ("for IN them [PLURAL] the WRATH of God IS COMPLETED" Rev15:1) take place BEFORE or AT the GWTj that the OP has been suggesting (as a singular 24-hr day/the last), at least in other threads.



[note: as late as the 6th Vial (of the PLURAL vials), the 6th one "prepares the way" for the kings of the east, leading UP TO another event, per Rev16:12... but "wrath" is clearly in ALL SEVEN of them, thus BACK at VIAL #1, BEFORE this later point in the chronology, which 6th is STILL followed by YET ANOTHER event]