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No, he should be saying, correctly this time, that since 7 sevens then 62 sevens occur consecutively in
this prophesy of time (9:25), that when 9:26 shows Messiah will be crucified after the 62 sevens,
that means the preceding 7 sevens necessarily would have been also accomplished.
Of course it happened in 70AD. The Roman soldiers brought their idolatrous standards which they regularly worshiped into the Holiest Place and would make offerings to them there in celebration of their victory. This was as much an 'abomination' as any other. Idolatry is always described as an abomination.
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But they did set up the image of the Beast and worship it for their standards were sacred to the emperor and bore his image. And they worshiped before it. You are simply closing your eyes to the facts.
LOL Titus with his soldiers and their idolatrous standards went into the Holiest Place. You need to relearn your history. In fact it was probably the fanatical Jews who destroyed the Temple trying to stop it being defiled.
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i thought an interesting study you may or may not agree with
Daniel's Prophecy of the 70 Weeks
By Thomas Williamson
3131 S. Archer Avenue • Chicago, Illinois 60608
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary, and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Daniel 9:24-27.
Daniel’s prophecy of the 70 weeks is one of the most significant prophecies in the Bible, and one of the most misunderstood.
In this prophecy, the Jews were given the approximate time of the coming of their Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ. For this reason, there was a great air of expectancy among the Jews 483 years after the order by the Persian king Artaxerxes for the rebuilding of the walls of Jerusalem in 445 BC (see Nehemiah 2:4-8).
It is generally accepted that the weeks in Daniel 9:24 are weeks of years, or periods of 7 years. The coming of Christ after 483 years (69 times 7), thus fulfilling this prophecy, is one of the greatest proofs of the divine inspiration of the Bible.
When Christ came, He told the people that "the time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel," Mark 1:15. The time that had been fulfilled was the chronology that had been given by Daniel.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Daniel 9:24 gives us specific prophecies that would be fulfilled by Christ by the end of the 70 weeks or 490 years. He would "finish the transgression," which was accomplished when Christ died on the cross, saying "It is finished," (John 19:30, see also Hebrews 9:15).
He would "make an end of sins," which can be understood as making an end of the sacrifice for sins. Christ did this when He offered Himself for our sins once and forever on the cross, Hebrews 9:26, 10:12, thus taking away the sin of the world, John 1:29, 1 John 3:5.
He would "make reconciliation for iniquity." Christ made reconciliation for the sins of the people on the Cross, Ephesians 2:16, Hebrews 2:17.
He would "bring in everlasting righteousness." Christ has been made unto us righteousness, Romans 5:18, 1 Corinthians 1:30, Colossians 1:20.
He would "seal up the vision and prophecy." We are told that Christ fulfilled the law and the prophets, Matthew 5:17, Acts 3:18, Romans 3:21.
The Most Holy would be anointed, and this was fulfilled when Christ was anointed to be our Savior, Luke 4:18, 21.
In Daniel 9:26 we are told that Christ would be cut off, but not for Himself - He died for us. The next event after that on the prophetic calendar would be the arrival of the "prince that shall come" to destroy the city of Jerusalem and the Temple.
This was fulfilled in 70 AD when the Roman general Titus came, within one generation of the time of Christ, as predicted (Matthew 23:35-36, 24:34) and destroyed Jerusalem.
In verse 27 we are told that Christ would confirm the covenant with many (not all) for one week (Daniel’s 70th week). We are told in Hebrews 12:24 that Christ was the mediator of the new covenant. In the middle of the week Christ caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease, when He died on the cross for our sins - at that moment when He was on the cross, the veil of the temple was torn in half (Matthew 27:51, see also Hebrews 10:18).
This disruption of the temple sacrifices was a sign that Christ had opened for us the way into the heavenly sanctuary, so that the animal sacrifices in the Temple were no longer necessary. (Based on this reference to Messiah’s ministry culminating "in the midst of the week" it has been traditionally believed that His earthly ministry lasted for 3 1/2 years).
Over the centuries, the great commentators have agreed that Christ is the One who confirmed the covenant with many (see Matthew Henry, Matthew Poole, Adam Clarke, Jamieson Fausset and Brown, Edward Young, John Calvin, John Wesley, Geneva Study Bible, etc). The Church Fathers such as Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Athanasius, Augustine and Eusebius regarded the 70th week of Daniel as having already been fulfilled by Christ’s earthly ministry, as did the Venerable Bede, John Wycliffe, Luther, Melancthon, John Gill, etc.
Take a close look at Daniel 9:24. This verse clearly describes Christ’s earthly ministry, and tells us that all these things, including His making reconciliation for iniquity by dying on the Cross, were to take place within the 70 week period. Therefore, all 70 weeks have already been fulfilled.
To place the 70th week in the future is to deny that Christ made reconciliation for iniquity when He died on the Cross, which would strike at the very foundations of Christianity. If Christ did not make reconciliation for iniquity on the Cross, then we may as well become Muslims or Zen Buddhists.
However, some prophecy teachers in recent times have come up with an alternative interpretation which places the fulfillment of Daniel’s 70th week into the future.
CHRIST OR ANTICHRIST? They say that the "prince that shall come" in verse 26 is the Antichrist, and that the Antichrist will make a seven-year treaty with the Jews in Israel at some point yet in the future. Some have identified this as any treaty that may be made between modern Israel and the Palestinians. They say that whenever we see such a treaty enacted, that will signal the start of a 7-year period of tribulation - some say that Christians will be "raptured out" at that time, while others say that Christians should be prepared to go into hiding when they see the peace treaty signed.
There are a lot of mistaken consequences that naturally arise from this incorrect interpretation of Daniel’s prophecy. This type of thinking results in an irrational, morbid fear of (and opposition to) any peace agreement between Israel and Palestine, thus helping perpetuate an ongoing conflict that has claimed thousands of Jewish and Arab lives.
Not only that, but since there is at this time no Jewish Temple offering animal sacrifices in Jerusalem, those who follow this theory feel that it is their duty to help destroy the Muslim Dome of the Rock and build a Temple on that site.
Some fundamentalist Christians have donated millions of dollars to Jewish terrorists so that they can attempt to blow up the Dome of the Rock. The activities of these terrorists have been rejected by the Israeli government and the vast majority of Israeli people, who do not want to be plunged into a devastating war over this issue.
How is it possible that these events in Daniel’s prophecy, which were so clearly fulfilled in the First Century AD just as Daniel said they would be, can be projected 2000 years in the future?
Those who insist that Daniel’s 70th week has not been fulfilled insist that there must be a gap of 2000 years between Daniel’s 69th week and his 70th week. In other words, God lied when He said that the prophecy would be fulfilled within 490 years.
BRIDGING THE GAP. We have no right to insert a gap between the 69th and 70th week, any more than we would have the right to put in a gap of thousands of years between the first 7 weeks and the 62 weeks. For us to add a gap in time, where God has not made any mention of it, is to add to the Word of God, and we are not permitted to do that.
Those who insist that the 70th week is in the future say that there must be a great slaughter of the Jews when the Antichrist breaks the peace treaty with them. However, there is absolutely no mention in Daniel’s prophecy of anyone breaking any peace treaty or any covenant with anyone. Read it again - we are told that He, the Messiah, will confirm the covenant, but there is absolutely nothing about anyone breaking or abrogating any covenant or treaty.
In fact, there is nothing in Daniel 9:27 about making any covenant or treaty. "He," that is, the Messiah, will not make a new covenant - He will confirm the covenant that was already in existence between God and His people.
Edward Young explains the correct meaning of this confirmation of the covenant by the Messiah: "The Hebrew words are unusual. They are sometimes interpreted as though they meant simply ‘to make a covenant.’ Such an interpretation, however, is incorrect, for it does not do justice to the original which can only mean to cause a covenant ‘to prevail,’ or ‘to make a covenant firm.’ The implication is that the covenant is already in existence and that its terms and conditions are now to be made effective. . . .
"It is better to regard the subject as the Messiah, since He has been the most prominent Person in this passage. The covenant which is to prevail is the covenant of grace wherein the Messiah, by His life and death, obtains salvation for His people."
Matthew Poole’s commentary says: "I say then, with Graser, Mede, and others, that this he is the Messiah, and the covenant He confirms is the new testament or covenant. . . . ‘Shall confirm the covenant;’ He shall corroborate it, as if it began before His coming to fail and to be invalid. ‘With many;’ noting thereby the paucity of the Jewish church and nation, compared with the great increase and enlargement by believing Gentiles throughout all nations and ages of the world. ..." At the risk of sounding like a broken record, let it be repeated that there is absolutely nothing here about the Antichrist or anyone else breaking a covenant with the Jews, as taught by sensationalist "prophecy teachers." Daniel 9:27 teaches that the covenant will be confirmed, not broken.
Supposedly when the Antichrist comes and breaks the peace treaty and starts killing the Jews, this will be a fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. But this cannot be true.
In Luke 17:22 Christ said, regarding the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD, that "these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled." In other words, all the Bible prophecies of judgment upon the Jews would be completely fulfilled at this time, with nothing more left to be fulfilled. (Compare with Matthew 23:35-36, where Christ says that all the punishment for the various sins of the Jews would come upon that generation that was alive in the First Century AD).
Virtually all Bible commentators agree that the events described in Luke 21:20-24 refer to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD. Even the great Scofield teaches this - you can look it up on page 1106 of the Old Scofield Reference Bible.
Think about it - if all the prophecies of vengeance and judgment against the Jews were fulfilled in 70 AD, that would include Daniel’s prophecy with regard to the 70 weeks. That means that the judgments of Daniel 9:24-27 cannot possibly refer to anything that is going to happen to the Jews in the future. It was all fulfilled in the First Century AD.
Everything that Daniel said would happen within the 70 weeks, in Daniel 9:25, was indeed fulfilled within 490 years. Daniel did not say that the desolations predicted in Daniel 9:26-27 would happen within the 70 weeks. However, Christ did say that these desolations would be fulfilled within one generation of His crucifixion, and it all happened as predicted, by 70 AD.
Since that time, many misfortunes have happened to the Jews, such as the Spanish Inquisition, pogroms, Holocaust, etc. But none of this was necessary to fulfill any Bible prophecy, nor is there any need for a mass slaughter of the Jews in modern Israel to fulfill any Bible prophecy.
NO FEAR OF THE STORM. Here are the implications of a proper understanding of Daniel’s 70 weeks: Now that we realize that the 70 weeks have already been fulfilled, we need no longer fear a peace treaty between Israel and Palestine. Such a treaty would have absolutely nothing to do with the manifestation of the Antichrist’s infernal presence, nor the approach of the Tribulation.
Nor do we need to help build a Jewish temple in Jerusalem, or try to start World War 3 by blowing up the Muslim mosque that is there now. Our job is to build New Testament Baptist churches, not to help construct a temple for animal sacrifices, which according to the epistle to Hebrews would be an act of apostasy against Christ.
Some Christians have developed an unhealthy and unscriptural fixation on the belief that there must be devastating conflicts in the Middle East that will result in the demolition of the Muslim holy sites in Jerusalem and the slaughter of millions of Jews, in order that the "ancient prophecies" may be fulfilled.
This type of deluded thinking is a bad testimony and it makes all fundamentalist Christians look like a bunch of enthusiasts for war and destruction. It may help explain the knee-jerk support, from some elements of the "Christian Right," for American involvement in any war or "pre-emptive first strike" anywhere in the Middle East, for any reason or no reason.
In reality, there is nothing in the book of Daniel, or anywhere else in the Bible, that says that there must be a temple with animal sacrifices in Jerusalem, or a mass slaughter of the Jews, in order for Christ to be able to return.
Ralph Woodrow, in "Great Prophecies of the Bible," says, "The fact is, Daniel 9:27 says nothing about a future rebuilt temple, nothing about restored sacrifices, nothing about the Antichrist making a covenant with the Jews! There are over 280 references to ‘covenant’ in the scriptures and NOT ONE of them in any way introduces the idea of a covenant being made between the Jews and the Antichrist."
We have seen that the prophecy of Daniel 9:27 was fulfilled 19 centuries ago, within the time-frame predicted by Daniel and the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, we should stop misusing it as a proof-text for nutty, speculative notions about "things to come" in the Middle East in the near future.
Daniel's Prophecy of the 70 Weeks
By Thomas Williamson
3131 S. Archer Avenue • Chicago, Illinois 60608
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary, and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Daniel 9:24-27.
Daniel’s prophecy of the 70 weeks is one of the most significant prophecies in the Bible, and one of the most misunderstood.
In this prophecy, the Jews were given the approximate time of the coming of their Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ. For this reason, there was a great air of expectancy among the Jews 483 years after the order by the Persian king Artaxerxes for the rebuilding of the walls of Jerusalem in 445 BC (see Nehemiah 2:4-8).
It is generally accepted that the weeks in Daniel 9:24 are weeks of years, or periods of 7 years. The coming of Christ after 483 years (69 times 7), thus fulfilling this prophecy, is one of the greatest proofs of the divine inspiration of the Bible.
When Christ came, He told the people that "the time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel," Mark 1:15. The time that had been fulfilled was the chronology that had been given by Daniel.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Daniel 9:24 gives us specific prophecies that would be fulfilled by Christ by the end of the 70 weeks or 490 years. He would "finish the transgression," which was accomplished when Christ died on the cross, saying "It is finished," (John 19:30, see also Hebrews 9:15).
He would "make an end of sins," which can be understood as making an end of the sacrifice for sins. Christ did this when He offered Himself for our sins once and forever on the cross, Hebrews 9:26, 10:12, thus taking away the sin of the world, John 1:29, 1 John 3:5.
He would "make reconciliation for iniquity." Christ made reconciliation for the sins of the people on the Cross, Ephesians 2:16, Hebrews 2:17.
He would "bring in everlasting righteousness." Christ has been made unto us righteousness, Romans 5:18, 1 Corinthians 1:30, Colossians 1:20.
He would "seal up the vision and prophecy." We are told that Christ fulfilled the law and the prophets, Matthew 5:17, Acts 3:18, Romans 3:21.
The Most Holy would be anointed, and this was fulfilled when Christ was anointed to be our Savior, Luke 4:18, 21.
In Daniel 9:26 we are told that Christ would be cut off, but not for Himself - He died for us. The next event after that on the prophetic calendar would be the arrival of the "prince that shall come" to destroy the city of Jerusalem and the Temple.
This was fulfilled in 70 AD when the Roman general Titus came, within one generation of the time of Christ, as predicted (Matthew 23:35-36, 24:34) and destroyed Jerusalem.
In verse 27 we are told that Christ would confirm the covenant with many (not all) for one week (Daniel’s 70th week). We are told in Hebrews 12:24 that Christ was the mediator of the new covenant. In the middle of the week Christ caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease, when He died on the cross for our sins - at that moment when He was on the cross, the veil of the temple was torn in half (Matthew 27:51, see also Hebrews 10:18).
This disruption of the temple sacrifices was a sign that Christ had opened for us the way into the heavenly sanctuary, so that the animal sacrifices in the Temple were no longer necessary. (Based on this reference to Messiah’s ministry culminating "in the midst of the week" it has been traditionally believed that His earthly ministry lasted for 3 1/2 years).
Over the centuries, the great commentators have agreed that Christ is the One who confirmed the covenant with many (see Matthew Henry, Matthew Poole, Adam Clarke, Jamieson Fausset and Brown, Edward Young, John Calvin, John Wesley, Geneva Study Bible, etc). The Church Fathers such as Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Athanasius, Augustine and Eusebius regarded the 70th week of Daniel as having already been fulfilled by Christ’s earthly ministry, as did the Venerable Bede, John Wycliffe, Luther, Melancthon, John Gill, etc.
Take a close look at Daniel 9:24. This verse clearly describes Christ’s earthly ministry, and tells us that all these things, including His making reconciliation for iniquity by dying on the Cross, were to take place within the 70 week period. Therefore, all 70 weeks have already been fulfilled.
To place the 70th week in the future is to deny that Christ made reconciliation for iniquity when He died on the Cross, which would strike at the very foundations of Christianity. If Christ did not make reconciliation for iniquity on the Cross, then we may as well become Muslims or Zen Buddhists.
However, some prophecy teachers in recent times have come up with an alternative interpretation which places the fulfillment of Daniel’s 70th week into the future.
CHRIST OR ANTICHRIST? They say that the "prince that shall come" in verse 26 is the Antichrist, and that the Antichrist will make a seven-year treaty with the Jews in Israel at some point yet in the future. Some have identified this as any treaty that may be made between modern Israel and the Palestinians. They say that whenever we see such a treaty enacted, that will signal the start of a 7-year period of tribulation - some say that Christians will be "raptured out" at that time, while others say that Christians should be prepared to go into hiding when they see the peace treaty signed.
There are a lot of mistaken consequences that naturally arise from this incorrect interpretation of Daniel’s prophecy. This type of thinking results in an irrational, morbid fear of (and opposition to) any peace agreement between Israel and Palestine, thus helping perpetuate an ongoing conflict that has claimed thousands of Jewish and Arab lives.
Not only that, but since there is at this time no Jewish Temple offering animal sacrifices in Jerusalem, those who follow this theory feel that it is their duty to help destroy the Muslim Dome of the Rock and build a Temple on that site.
Some fundamentalist Christians have donated millions of dollars to Jewish terrorists so that they can attempt to blow up the Dome of the Rock. The activities of these terrorists have been rejected by the Israeli government and the vast majority of Israeli people, who do not want to be plunged into a devastating war over this issue.
How is it possible that these events in Daniel’s prophecy, which were so clearly fulfilled in the First Century AD just as Daniel said they would be, can be projected 2000 years in the future?
Those who insist that Daniel’s 70th week has not been fulfilled insist that there must be a gap of 2000 years between Daniel’s 69th week and his 70th week. In other words, God lied when He said that the prophecy would be fulfilled within 490 years.
BRIDGING THE GAP. We have no right to insert a gap between the 69th and 70th week, any more than we would have the right to put in a gap of thousands of years between the first 7 weeks and the 62 weeks. For us to add a gap in time, where God has not made any mention of it, is to add to the Word of God, and we are not permitted to do that.
Those who insist that the 70th week is in the future say that there must be a great slaughter of the Jews when the Antichrist breaks the peace treaty with them. However, there is absolutely no mention in Daniel’s prophecy of anyone breaking any peace treaty or any covenant with anyone. Read it again - we are told that He, the Messiah, will confirm the covenant, but there is absolutely nothing about anyone breaking or abrogating any covenant or treaty.
In fact, there is nothing in Daniel 9:27 about making any covenant or treaty. "He," that is, the Messiah, will not make a new covenant - He will confirm the covenant that was already in existence between God and His people.
Edward Young explains the correct meaning of this confirmation of the covenant by the Messiah: "The Hebrew words are unusual. They are sometimes interpreted as though they meant simply ‘to make a covenant.’ Such an interpretation, however, is incorrect, for it does not do justice to the original which can only mean to cause a covenant ‘to prevail,’ or ‘to make a covenant firm.’ The implication is that the covenant is already in existence and that its terms and conditions are now to be made effective. . . .
"It is better to regard the subject as the Messiah, since He has been the most prominent Person in this passage. The covenant which is to prevail is the covenant of grace wherein the Messiah, by His life and death, obtains salvation for His people."
Matthew Poole’s commentary says: "I say then, with Graser, Mede, and others, that this he is the Messiah, and the covenant He confirms is the new testament or covenant. . . . ‘Shall confirm the covenant;’ He shall corroborate it, as if it began before His coming to fail and to be invalid. ‘With many;’ noting thereby the paucity of the Jewish church and nation, compared with the great increase and enlargement by believing Gentiles throughout all nations and ages of the world. ..." At the risk of sounding like a broken record, let it be repeated that there is absolutely nothing here about the Antichrist or anyone else breaking a covenant with the Jews, as taught by sensationalist "prophecy teachers." Daniel 9:27 teaches that the covenant will be confirmed, not broken.
Supposedly when the Antichrist comes and breaks the peace treaty and starts killing the Jews, this will be a fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. But this cannot be true.
In Luke 17:22 Christ said, regarding the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD, that "these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled." In other words, all the Bible prophecies of judgment upon the Jews would be completely fulfilled at this time, with nothing more left to be fulfilled. (Compare with Matthew 23:35-36, where Christ says that all the punishment for the various sins of the Jews would come upon that generation that was alive in the First Century AD).
Virtually all Bible commentators agree that the events described in Luke 21:20-24 refer to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD. Even the great Scofield teaches this - you can look it up on page 1106 of the Old Scofield Reference Bible.
Think about it - if all the prophecies of vengeance and judgment against the Jews were fulfilled in 70 AD, that would include Daniel’s prophecy with regard to the 70 weeks. That means that the judgments of Daniel 9:24-27 cannot possibly refer to anything that is going to happen to the Jews in the future. It was all fulfilled in the First Century AD.
Everything that Daniel said would happen within the 70 weeks, in Daniel 9:25, was indeed fulfilled within 490 years. Daniel did not say that the desolations predicted in Daniel 9:26-27 would happen within the 70 weeks. However, Christ did say that these desolations would be fulfilled within one generation of His crucifixion, and it all happened as predicted, by 70 AD.
Since that time, many misfortunes have happened to the Jews, such as the Spanish Inquisition, pogroms, Holocaust, etc. But none of this was necessary to fulfill any Bible prophecy, nor is there any need for a mass slaughter of the Jews in modern Israel to fulfill any Bible prophecy.
NO FEAR OF THE STORM. Here are the implications of a proper understanding of Daniel’s 70 weeks: Now that we realize that the 70 weeks have already been fulfilled, we need no longer fear a peace treaty between Israel and Palestine. Such a treaty would have absolutely nothing to do with the manifestation of the Antichrist’s infernal presence, nor the approach of the Tribulation.
Nor do we need to help build a Jewish temple in Jerusalem, or try to start World War 3 by blowing up the Muslim mosque that is there now. Our job is to build New Testament Baptist churches, not to help construct a temple for animal sacrifices, which according to the epistle to Hebrews would be an act of apostasy against Christ.
Some Christians have developed an unhealthy and unscriptural fixation on the belief that there must be devastating conflicts in the Middle East that will result in the demolition of the Muslim holy sites in Jerusalem and the slaughter of millions of Jews, in order that the "ancient prophecies" may be fulfilled.
This type of deluded thinking is a bad testimony and it makes all fundamentalist Christians look like a bunch of enthusiasts for war and destruction. It may help explain the knee-jerk support, from some elements of the "Christian Right," for American involvement in any war or "pre-emptive first strike" anywhere in the Middle East, for any reason or no reason.
In reality, there is nothing in the book of Daniel, or anywhere else in the Bible, that says that there must be a temple with animal sacrifices in Jerusalem, or a mass slaughter of the Jews, in order for Christ to be able to return.
Ralph Woodrow, in "Great Prophecies of the Bible," says, "The fact is, Daniel 9:27 says nothing about a future rebuilt temple, nothing about restored sacrifices, nothing about the Antichrist making a covenant with the Jews! There are over 280 references to ‘covenant’ in the scriptures and NOT ONE of them in any way introduces the idea of a covenant being made between the Jews and the Antichrist."
We have seen that the prophecy of Daniel 9:27 was fulfilled 19 centuries ago, within the time-frame predicted by Daniel and the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, we should stop misusing it as a proof-text for nutty, speculative notions about "things to come" in the Middle East in the near future.
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On page 7, #125, I posted about how there was not only a break between the 69 weeks (7weeks + 62 weeks) and the 1 week in Daniel’s prophecy – I came up with an amazing article that explains how the 7 weeks might be re-applied with the start date being Israel’s recapture of Jerusalem on June 7, 1967. Adding 49 years (49 x 360 = 17,640 days) gives Sept. 23, 2015. IMO, Israel will accept a false messiah until the end of the tribulation period.
Daniels Week Prophecy "49" Started June 7th, 1967! - ANTICHRIST REVEALED
The reason for the “gap” might be because of what Jesus said: (Matthew 23:37-39)
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Another reason might be that it would be the time of the Gentiles, in which salvation would be extended to the Gentiles, as it had been to Israel from Abraham to Jesus and the lives of the Jewish disciples. The Jewish apostle Paul was especially sent by God to the Gentiles. (Romans 11:19-22)
This is simply manipulating Scripture. Besides a scriptural year is not 360 days. It is either 365 days, or 12/13 moon periods. The thirty day moon period was merely an approximation. A moon period is 28-29 days.
There is no good reason for a gap, It is simply a manipulation of prophecy to suit a theory.
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And the Jewish Apostle Peter was sent to the Jews. Soooooo? Are you suggesting that the Gospel no longer went to the Jews? God did not do a switch. He went to both Jew and Gentile. 'To the Jew first and then to the Gentiles' It is totally false to see the death of Christ as a signal that the Jews were now to be overlooked, although 70 AD might be. But that would spoil the idea of a gap after the 69 the week..
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Interesting. Do you feel that that was why the Magi (from Persia) were ready also?
Mt 2:1
I thought it is the exact time, to the day, to His crucifixion, like it says. But my work, counting and identifying the days and years is progressing slowly. 'Close enough' is close enough for now : )
'Close the transgression' and 'make an end of sins' sound nearly synonymous. Except one is singular and the other plural. He certainly did what He did on the cross, with respect to sin and sins, the sin nature and all sinful history. So I will take this under advisement...
'Make propitiation for iniquity' thus sounds synonymous too with those in the paragraph above. Except it is, in English at least, more precise as to the judicial nature of His death. Rather than the words 'close, finish, and make an end.'
Christ has been made wisdom to us from God. Both righteousness and sanctification and redemption. Hallelujah! This is real wisdom. Expressed in terms of judicial and life salvation. Righteousness, sanctification, and redemption! This is my verse for the day. I must eat it all day. But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became wisdom to us from God; both righteousness and sanctification and redemption. That as it is written, 'He who boasts, let him boast in the Lord.' Christ became wisdom to us from God. Amen. Wow. That is good
I have not come to abolish, but to fulfill
This can be translated 'to anoint the Holy of Holies' as well as 'to anoint the most holy One.'
I do not see the words 'but not for Himself' in my translation. But that is of no import. I am glad that this writer says 'next' event. Meaning the consecutive, sequential nature of these verses, following the verse 24 introduction, is apparent. He also recognizes that, while they are both princes, Messiah the Prince (25) is not the prince who will come (26), and the prince who will come (26) is not Messiah the Prince (25), but instead comes after Him. That these two princes are not the same is plain by both the sequential nature of 25-27, as well as the acts which both of them do. Messiah the Prince was crucified (Jn 2:19), and the prince who will come (through his people) destroyed the city and the sanctuary---Jerusalem and the temple---in AD 70. So far so good. I'll look at the rest of what the gentleman says asap : )
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Well Mommsen was a 19th century scholar and all writings concerning the history of Rome have Tiberius being emperor from 14 AD to 37 AD. If we take the earliest writings then the start of John's ministry would be placed in 29 AD, therefore Jesus could not have been crucified before then.
If we then take your reasoning of making the 15th year in Luke to actually be the 14th then you still would have the start of John's ministry being 28 AD, making that year still not possible for the Lord's crucifixion.
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Go and do a history study on the destruction of the city and the temple in 70 AD.
Titus order his soldiers not to destroy the temple when they invade Jerusalem, but his soldiers disobeyed and destroyed it any way.
No Titus nor his soldiers set up a image in the temple, they destroyed the temple but that was all......
Titus wanted the temple unharmed so that he could set it up and dedicate it to Rome, but that was never done as his soldier disobeyed his orders and caught the temple on fire destroying it.
The bible says that when you falsely accuse another you are to reconcile and apologize to them when you find out you have done that, so yes apologizing to a person you falsely accused would be pleasing to God.
Those who preach the 70th week of Daniels prophecy is yet to be fulfilled in the future are HERETICS because by proclaiming such nonsense they deny what took place in that last week, which is Christ crucified and the New Covenant established. Mark them as such who spread lies and false doctrine.
I have done. No one knows actually who started the fires that destroyed the Temple. But in view of Titus' strict orders, his presence there, and the fanaticism of the Jews, it was probably the Jews themselves.
By being there with their standards they automatically set up an image in the Temple. Their standards were images.
I repeat no one knows who set the Temple alight. But it is unlikely that Titus' soldiers deliberately disobeyed him. Thus the Jews must be seen as the likely arsonists.
I await your apology
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There has to be a break in Daniel's 70 weeks because the Bible says that the Jews as a nation have 70 weeks to get in the truth and accept Jesus as their Messiah,which they have not done yet.
The Bible says that the Jews are blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,which is when the Gentiles that do not love God take the mark of the beast.Repentance will no longer be offered to them and God will bring Israel to the truth.
That is the purpose of the 7 weeks to bring Israel to the truth,and cause all people that do not love God to follow the beast kingdom and take the mark,so God can put them down and further His plan of Jesus ruling with His saints in the millennial reign of Christ,which is both Jew and Gentile that is with Christ.
The Bible says that the Jews are blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,which is when the Gentiles that do not love God take the mark of the beast.Repentance will no longer be offered to them and God will bring Israel to the truth.
That is the purpose of the 7 weeks to bring Israel to the truth,and cause all people that do not love God to follow the beast kingdom and take the mark,so God can put them down and further His plan of Jesus ruling with His saints in the millennial reign of Christ,which is both Jew and Gentile that is with Christ.
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I have done. No one knows actually who started the fires that destroyed the Temple. But in view of Titus' strict orders, his presence there, and the fanaticism of the Jews, it was probably the Jews themselves.
By being there with their standards they automatically set up an image in the Temple. Their standards were images.
I repeat no one knows who set the Temple alight. But it is unlikely that Titus' soldiers deliberately disobeyed him. Thus the Jews must be seen as the likely arsonists.
I await your apology
By your response here it shows you have not done a history study because I have, and in those studies have looked at different sources that have used historical documents to show it was Titus soldiers that destroyed the temple. I don't know where you get nobody knew who actually started the fires as I have never seen that in the studies I have done with the sources used.
No just by being there in Jerusalem was not the A.O.D. as Daniel, Jesus, Paul, and Revelation all show that it has to be the exact act of defiling the temple by standing in it claiming to be God and setting up an idol in it.
Once again to your repeat, historic documents say that it was Titus soldiers that set the temple on fire destroying it.
I have never falsely accused you on anything but others have falsely claimed on me that I deny scriptures or called me a heretic, which is bearing false witness because I do not deny scriptures from the bible. What I deny is others private interpretation of them that they have been taught by others.
Christ was crucified after the end of the 69th week, not the 70th week as Daniel clearly says.
Those who still want to claim the A.O.D. was fulfilled in 70 AD. please show me when Titus or any other during that time stood in the temple claiming to be God or set up an idol in the temple ???
Show me where and who because in order for the A.O.D. to be fulfilled both of those would have to have been done according to the word of God. Titus did not do, and just surrounding Jerusalem and destroying the temple does not fulfill those two things !!!
Tiberius unarguably succeeded Augustus in 14 A.D. Mommsen calls our attention to a co-regency which began in 11A.D.
It is likely that the 15th year of Tiberius, in Luk chapter 3, includes the co-regency.
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To the contrary
Manipulation of prophecy is to deny a gap. A gap is 'everywhere.' Such as in Romans 11. Admittedly,
the gap is mysterious.
"I do not want you, brothers, to be ignorant of this mystery (lest you be wise in yourselves), that hardness has come upon Israel in part, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. And thus all Israel will be saved, as it is written, 'The Deliverer will come out of Zion; He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob. And this is the covenant from Me with them, when I take away their sins.' According to the good news they are enemies for your sake, but according to the selection they are beloved for the fathers' sake."
There it is. The gap. Hardness in part (in large part, in larger part!) has come upon Israel UNTIL.
Israel: the same topic seen in Daniel 9:24. 70 7s apportioned to Daniel's people. Israel. Judah.
What gap? The Gentiles. The 'fullness of the Gentiles.' Some of Israel. But hardness in general has come upon Israel
UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Then what? God focuses again on Israel. Why? Because of His
irrevocable selection. Is this my agenda? My fantasy? My idea? No. I didn't write Romans 11. Or Daniel 9.
Or any of the Bible. God 'did.' Isn't there no more Jew, no more Gentile, in the church? Yes. But Israel, in general, isn't the church. Yet. 'All Israel will be saved.' Are they being saved now? Some, thankfully, yes. I know several, like we all may. But all Israel will be saved. All at once. And so it is written: ''The Deliverer will come out of Zion; He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob. And this is the covenant from Me with them, when I take away their sins.' Hasn't He done that already? On the cross? Yes and no. Yes He died once for all. But no, most of Israel has yet to believe and receive. So what? So they're still in their sins. In this sense also, of course, Daniels 9:24's full 70 7s have yet to be fulfilled. Completed. God will............get all (remaining, surviving) Israel to be saved. Who says so? Paul. God (in Daniel 9:24). Further, Paul and Zechariah reveal that
this salvation of the unbelieving nation as a whole will happen..........all at once. In one, common, mutual, sighting. When THEY (plural) see Him whom they have pierced. And wail over Him as a firstborn son, and as an only-begotten son. I could and should copy all of Zechariah 11--14 here. This is the Gap: the church age. The age of mystery. This mystery is great, but I speak with regard to Christ and the church. God was dealing, overtly, outwardly often, with a physical nation. A visible nation. A political nation. But then God Himself became a man. Thru that nation. In fact, that was the purpose of that nation. That's God's natural.......family. His 'own.' As in John 1. He came unto His own, but His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name. Who were born not of the flesh, nor of man, nor of the will of man..........but of God. God turned from rejecting, unbelieving Israel (as a nation); to the Gentiles. This also is in Romans 11. It is a matter of God's mercy. But Israel, as a surviving nation, is destined also to be His people------His regenerated sons and daughters. THAT is the purpose of the 70 7s apportioned to them. It did not end with the crucifixion. Because the nation as a whole did not believe, either before or at, their Messiah's crucifixion or resurrection. So Daniel 9:24..........is not done. The 70 7s are not done. Rather they are........interrupted. Gapped. (Just like the text alone, of 9:24-27, reads.) Why? So God can build His church. Primarily of Gentiles. He came to Jew first. But can't Christ both build His church AND convert Israel at the same time? He is. But also (I didn't write it) 'hardness has come upon Israel in part, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.' Don't blame me. I'm just a reporter. A reader of the report, of the prophecies. Daniel 9 and Romans 11. Zechariah 11, 12, 13, and 14. Revelation. That's just the way God's doing it. He's going to have an all-at-once national, physical, AND spiritual, deliverance of the surviving nation of Israel as a whole at the end of this age. That is what Daniel 9:24 prophesies. That physical deliverance is seen in 9:27. The basis for the spiritual salvation---forgiveness and regeneration---was accomplished in 9:26. When Messiah was cut off. And God of course has used all human history to save His chosen, among Jews and Gentiles. He has also used history, sufferings, to bring Israel, even in unbelief generally still, to the point where they are now. Where are they now? God dispersed them in AD 70. He's watched and arranged their (and our) every move. And He's brought at least a remnant together, since 1948, to be a political nation. In the land they were dispersed from. So isn't all this---between AD 30 and the present----God's 'apportionment' to Israel? To Jews?
Yes. But it is not part of the 70 7s as 70 7s. Rather it is part of the big, as-of-now-still-ongoing, gap. Or whatever word you want to use. Because God's goal isn't (merely) to have a political or national Israel. But to have a believing, saved, forgiven, regenerated national Israel. Which He will finally accomplish when He directly, visibly (because they see Him whom they have pierced), and physically as well as spiritually, saves them. That is what the 7+62 7s are for. What the 70 7s are for. Particularly. In a particular way (namely involving Antichrist---Satan's ultimate counterfeit and world-challenge to Christ).
And is what the 70th 7 will be for.
'When Caesar (Titus) failed to restrain the fury of his frenzied soldiers, and the fire could not be checked, he entered the building with his generals and looked at the holy place of the sanctuary and all its furnishings, which exceeded by far the accounts current in foreign lands.'
Titus entering the holiest place with his standard bears would certainly have been seen by the Jews as 'the Abomination of Desolation' (the desolating abomination). The Roman standards were viewed with horror by the Jews. They contained on them the image of the god-emperor before which the soldiers worshiped and to which they offered sacrifices. So by bringing them into the Holiest Place they did set up an idol in the Temple. To bring them into the Holiest Place would have been seen as sacrilege of the highest order.
When Pilate had simply sought to introduce the standards into Jerusalem he had met with resistance so fierce in spite of death threats that he withdrew them, and never tried to do it again. They were anathema to the Jews.
Neither you nor anyone else has any right to lay down exactly what the Abomination of Desolation mentioned by Jesus would consist of.