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SDA777
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But where is the scripture that says that because Christ rose on the first day of the week to honor it as the new sabbath?
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SDA777
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But you see what I don't understand is that if its not in the scriptures and yet people blindly follow it
It's sad really
It's sad really
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SDA777
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I do however want to make one thing clear I'm not saying that if one goes to church on a Sunday they're damned..
There is a difference between genuinely not knowing the sabbath truth and knowing the truth but still going to church a Sunday
Sin is knowing what is right and still choosing to do what is wrong
There is a difference between genuinely not knowing the sabbath truth and knowing the truth but still going to church a Sunday
Sin is knowing what is right and still choosing to do what is wrong
The sabbath is one of those ritual observances in the law that is a shadow of the real. It provides a picture of how Jesus did all of the work of saving the true believers and the true believers just rest in that sense. They don't do work that saves themselves. If they try to save themselves by their own strength it is not grace.
In the new covenant, noone has to do the ritual, all they have to be is saved by Christ's work.
An interesting point about the term 'sabbath', is that the time of great tribulation is called the sabbath in Matthew 24. The great tribulation (sabbath), when the congregations of the church age are invaded by false spiritual forces, is also associated with the number seven, just as the sabbath people normally think of is associated with the number 7. When the walls of Jericho fall it is a picture of the walls of salvation falling in the city of the righteous (city of palms), the city of the law (city of the moon), which is the congregations of the church age. This was accomplished by 7 trumpet blasts and 7 marches around.
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I think you are on the right path and your answer is partially correct. 1 John 3:4 says "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Yeshua criticised ruling class Jews as workers of inequity as in [FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]anomia[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] (without the law). In my opinion (I guess LOL) All have been mislead by mainstream religion so that inequity is reinvented as acceptable behavior and the instructions, commandments of God are diminished by our herd mentality. The Sabbath day is to be observed from sundown Friday to Sundown Saturday which is by God's reckoning of how time should be kept.[/FONT]
It is amazing how much work people will do to deny the 4th commandment, written with the very finger of God. (also, I will add, in my opinion, it was Yeshua who wrote it!)
Sunday is not a new Sabbath.
"Although religion is not bound to time, yet it cannot be cultivated and exercised without a proper distribution and arrangement of time. Every Church, therefore, chooses for itself a certain time for public prayers, and for the preaching of the Gospel, and for the celebration of the sacraments."
"In this connection we do not yield to the Jewish observance and to superstitions. For we do not believe that one day is any holier than another, or think that rest in itself is acceptable to God. Moreover, we celebrate the Lord's Day and not the Sabbath as a free observance."
https://www.ccel.org/creeds/helvetic.htm
Sunday is not to be a new Sabbath, its just a chosen day for people in a church to be together.
And from the first century the day Lord arise from the dead was a best one to choose.
You should know what you try to attack so you do not embarrass yourself.
"Although religion is not bound to time, yet it cannot be cultivated and exercised without a proper distribution and arrangement of time. Every Church, therefore, chooses for itself a certain time for public prayers, and for the preaching of the Gospel, and for the celebration of the sacraments."
"In this connection we do not yield to the Jewish observance and to superstitions. For we do not believe that one day is any holier than another, or think that rest in itself is acceptable to God. Moreover, we celebrate the Lord's Day and not the Sabbath as a free observance."
https://www.ccel.org/creeds/helvetic.htm
Sunday is not to be a new Sabbath, its just a chosen day for people in a church to be together.
And from the first century the day Lord arise from the dead was a best one to choose.
You should know what you try to attack so you do not embarrass yourself.
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"Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, These are the appointed feasts of the LORD that you shall proclaim as holy convocations; they are my appointed feasts. Leviticus 23:2 (ESV2011)
That was not said to us.
We were said this:
"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
Col 2:16-17
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Sabbath-keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not applicable to Christians under the New Covenant. Even when Christians set out to worship on the Sabbath, they aren’t truly "keeping the Sabbath." To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament would involve compliance with stringent regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.
If Sabbath-day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). These were commanded by God to the sons of Israel. If the seventh-day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person say he keeps a certain law when he keeps only part of it?
If the Sabbath-day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Christian Church? The Seventh-day Adventist church? Or the State? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under the Mosaic regulations.
St. Paul said in Galatians 4:9-11: "...You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain."
In Romans 14:1-23, the Apostle Paul says: "... One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind...(NASB)." In other words, for the Christian, the Apostle is saying that no day is to be regarded holier than another. Although the Torah was read every Saturday in the synagogues, the early Gentile Christians were never commanded to be circumcised, or to rest on Saturday as the Jews were (Acts 15:1-21).
In Colossians 2:16-17, the Apostle Paul also said 16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
If Sabbath-day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). These were commanded by God to the sons of Israel. If the seventh-day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person say he keeps a certain law when he keeps only part of it?
If the Sabbath-day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Christian Church? The Seventh-day Adventist church? Or the State? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under the Mosaic regulations.
St. Paul said in Galatians 4:9-11: "...You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain."
In Romans 14:1-23, the Apostle Paul says: "... One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind...(NASB)." In other words, for the Christian, the Apostle is saying that no day is to be regarded holier than another. Although the Torah was read every Saturday in the synagogues, the early Gentile Christians were never commanded to be circumcised, or to rest on Saturday as the Jews were (Acts 15:1-21).
In Colossians 2:16-17, the Apostle Paul also said 16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Biggest problem today is that people quote the new without knowing the Old. Thus making the new say something that was never intended.
If you pay attention you will see that the new testament is a witness to the Old. Its not bringing new things but using the Old as the very basis of all its teachings.
Thus the problem with applying the 7th day Sabbath as a shadow when the Old does not teach any such thing. Thus the new testament writers would not have taught that. They were teaching from the Old.
The only Sabbaths that were shadows in the old are the Sabbaths that were part of the feasts. These were not the 7th day Sabbath which most clearly points back not forward.
In fact if you study it properly you will see this.
Feast Sabbath shadow Jesus is the body.
Creation Gods works shadow 7th day Sabbath the body.
Gods work leads to rest for man.
The feast Sabbath pointed to freedom from sin through a sacrifice. Fulfilled in Christ.
or in other words, Jesus woks of redemption = rest in Christ.
Jesus physical works of creation = 7th day Sabbath why? because that is how it was given.
It was already fulfilled, The 7th day Sabbath was made after creation as a memorial of creation see Gen 2. There was no sin at the time. It pointed back not forward.
Study the Old so that you stop misusing the new.
If you pay attention you will see that the new testament is a witness to the Old. Its not bringing new things but using the Old as the very basis of all its teachings.
Thus the problem with applying the 7th day Sabbath as a shadow when the Old does not teach any such thing. Thus the new testament writers would not have taught that. They were teaching from the Old.
The only Sabbaths that were shadows in the old are the Sabbaths that were part of the feasts. These were not the 7th day Sabbath which most clearly points back not forward.
In fact if you study it properly you will see this.
Feast Sabbath shadow Jesus is the body.
Creation Gods works shadow 7th day Sabbath the body.
Gods work leads to rest for man.
The feast Sabbath pointed to freedom from sin through a sacrifice. Fulfilled in Christ.
or in other words, Jesus woks of redemption = rest in Christ.
Jesus physical works of creation = 7th day Sabbath why? because that is how it was given.
It was already fulfilled, The 7th day Sabbath was made after creation as a memorial of creation see Gen 2. There was no sin at the time. It pointed back not forward.
Study the Old so that you stop misusing the new.
This is totally not true. The fact that someone keeps the Sabbath does not mean that they have to obey all the regulations that were under a theocracy.
The Sabbath commandment itself does not have those rules it just says to remember it and keep it holy. It says not to work on that day because God blessed it and set it apart as holy. See Exodus 20 8-11.
The rules that are on top of that apply to that time that culture under a theocracy. And before you go and say keep part keep it all think first because love your neighbour as yourself is part of the Old covenant. and no its not renewed in the new. It never stopped it passed straight through.
I see that you are in denial. Colossians 2:17 - The Sabbath is a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. Now show me UNDER THE NEW COVENANT where the Church is commanded to keep the Saturday Sabbath.
Biggest problem today is that people quote the old without knowing the New. Thus making the old say something that was never intended.
If you pay attention you will see that the old testament is a witness to the New.
"Therefore do not let anyone judge you... with regard to a religious festival (every year), a New Moon celebration (every month) or a Sabbath day (every week)."
Col 2:16
Study the New so that you stop misusing the old.
Lesse.........
the sabbath was created for man, not man for the sabbath
Jesus IS the sabbath, He IS our "rest"
Jesus is LORD of the sabbath
the early church met on the FIRST DAY of the week, wait, what day is the FIRST day?
They also don't take into count the humpteen thousand sabbaths that existed under the Law of Moses do they?
Jesus is our true Sabbath rest. There is no need to go back to the shadow as it was just a picture of the reality which is Christ in us and what He has finished. The Real is here now.
That's like a person that has been away for years in a war and then comes back to his wife. He doesn't take her pictures that she sent to him to kiss when she is there - no, a thousand times NO!..
She wants the real kiss from him now - not him kissing her picture - because she is here with him now. This is just like our Lord now.
That's like a person that has been away for years in a war and then comes back to his wife. He doesn't take her pictures that she sent to him to kiss when she is there - no, a thousand times NO!..
She wants the real kiss from him now - not him kissing her picture - because she is here with him now. This is just like our Lord now.
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FreeNChrist
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There is a sabbath rest for Christians, and it is not limited to a day of the week. Jesus is the "better rest of God" for Christians, our sabbath rest (Heb. 4:9) as well as the promised place of rest.
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