Is vegetarianism wrong?

[RedTent]

I take it that you have never raised chickens. They eat their own poop and each other. That's why chicken houses are on raised floors with screens so that the poop falls through so they can't eat it. But, free range chickens eat their own poop. And it's lawful to eat chickens.

Your posts about diet are all based on your own fleshly thinking or else on a legalistic way of reading scripture. We are also to read all scripture about any given subject from the beginning and follow through with everything to Christ to see if He modified it. So we learn that before the Holy Spirit was given to everyone, the dietary laws were given to lead people to the law. We were to watch the food we ate for cleanliness even though, as we learn later, God wasn't interested in what went in the stomach but into the heart or mind. So what it was to teach was to watch what we put in our mind for cleanliness. Also that God's people were to be sanctified so they didn't mix socially with those who did not know God or take on their ways.

When Christ came, we were still to do this, but the Holy Spirit was to lead us, rather than the food we eat.

Many people still use the food they choose to help them, as well as also using the Holy Spirit. That is not wrong, just a personal choice.

But what we are NOT to do is stand on a soap box saying to look how holy I am, I eat everything, or look how holy I am I choose to let diet as well as the Holy Spirit guide me. So you have your chicken poop, or not have it, but you can't brag about it either way.

 

[VCO]

when we are perfected we will not eat other animals. But nobody's perfect yet.

Are you implying that the resurrected Christ, was not perfect when he ate fish and honey?

 

[VCO]

Your posts about diet are all based on your own fleshly thinking or else on a legalistic way of reading scripture. We are also to read all scripture about any given subject from the beginning and follow through with everything to Christ to see if He modified it. So we learn that before the Holy Spirit was given to everyone, the dietary laws were given to lead people to the law. We were to watch the food we ate for cleanliness even though, as we learn later, God wasn't interested in what went in the stomach but into the heart or mind. So what it was to teach was to watch what we put in our mind for cleanliness. Also that God's people were to be sanctified so they didn't mix socially with those who did not know God or take on their ways.

When Christ came, we were still to do this, but the Holy Spirit was to lead us, rather than the food we eat.

Many people still use the food they choose to help them, as well as also using the Holy Spirit. That is not wrong, just a personal choice.

But what we are NOT to do is stand on a soap box saying to look how holy I am, I eat everything, or look how holy I am I choose to let diet as well as the Holy Spirit guide me. So you have your chicken poop, or not have it, but you can't brag about it either way.

Amen! And here is the scriptures you were referring to.

Matthew 15:10-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Summoning the crowd, He told them, “Listen and understand:
[SUP]11 [/SUP] It’s not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

Matthew 15:15-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Then Peter replied to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”
[SUP]16 [/SUP] “Are even you still lacking in understanding?” He asked.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] “Don’t you realize that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is eliminated?
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But what comes out of the mouth comes from the heart, and this defiles a man.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For from the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, sexual immoralities, thefts, false testimonies, blasphemies.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] These are the things that defile a man, but eating with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

 

[4enlightment]

[SUP]4 [/SUP] For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving;

Okay, let's put it this way. If you've brought someone into Christ, and they truly believe in Christ after hearing what you have told them about Him, and so they'd converted; but you cannot refuse to eat whatever this person has offered you in return for the word, because God had clean, consecrated, and or you say that He sanctified this meal. That takes great faith to do something like that, eventhough you haven't ate anything like this before, but you cannot refuse it, So what if you converted over someone that eat cats and this person has offered you to eat with them, would you eat the meal, or not? But remember this verse: Acts 11:9 “The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’

[h=3]Shocking, the entire process of how Guangzhou restaurants make boiled alive cat[/h]
Cat restaurants hidden on the outskirts of town, “boiled alive cat” attract people’s attention
Cat meat 10 yuan/500g, cat brain 30 yuan/500g, cat intestines 50 yuan/500g
What is “boiled alive cat”?
Cook: “[The cat] cannot be completely beaten to death, [because] it also needs to be boiled a little, this is what ‘live cooked cat’ is.”
Why do so many people like eating cat?
Cat eater: Eating cat meat can cure asthma, is a health supplement [something eaten for health benefits].
A stray cat wholesale market has over a thousand cats packed into metal cages. “Boiled Alive Cat” Prepared, Served In Guangzhou Restaurants – chinaSMACK

 

[RedTent]

Okay, let's put it this way. If you've brought someone into Christ, and they truly believe in Christ after hearing what you have told them about Him, and so they'd converted; but you cannot refuse to eat whatever this person has offered you in return for the word, because God had clean, consecrated, and or you say that He sanctified this meal. That takes great faith to do something like that, eventhough you haven't ate anything like this before, but you cannot refuse it, So what if you converted over someone that eat cats and this person has offered you to eat with them, would you eat the meal, or not? But remember this verse: Acts 11:9 “The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’

Shocking, the entire process of how Guangzhou restaurants make boiled alive cat


Cat restaurants hidden on the outskirts of town, “boiled alive cat” attract people’s attention
Cat meat 10 yuan/500g, cat brain 30 yuan/500g, cat intestines 50 yuan/500g
What is “boiled alive cat”?
Cook: “[The cat] cannot be completely beaten to death, [because] it also needs to be boiled a little, this is what ‘live cooked cat’ is.”
Why do so many people like eating cat?
Cat eater: Eating cat meat can cure asthma, is a health supplement [something eaten for health benefits].
A stray cat wholesale market has over a thousand cats packed into metal cages. “Boiled Alive Cat” Prepared, Served In Guangzhou Restaurants – chinaSMACK

What does having a person tell you of Christ have to do with accepting or not accepting food. They don't go together.

Some person could tell you they set poison aside for the Lord, would you eat it?

If God has made something clean, then what He made clean is made clean. Scripture does not tell us God made pigs clean. It tells us what God made is good. Pigs are good. Even when they were only scavengers, they were necessary and good, just not considered food back then.

These cat eating people also believe in Yin and Yang. Would you need to accept that, too??????

 

[4enlightment]

What does having a person tell you of Christ have to do with accepting or not accepting food. They don't go together.

Some person could tell you they set poison aside for the Lord, would you eat it?

If God has made something clean, then what He made clean is made clean. Scripture does not tell us God made pigs clean. It tells us what God made is good. Pigs are good. Even when they were only scavengers, they were necessary and good, just not considered food back then.

These cat eating people also believe in Yin and Yang. Would you need to accept that, too??????

The gentiles still have had some of their Hellenistic ways. but Paul ate with them. How do you think celebrating Yule came apart of Christianity. Peter doesn't eat pigs (and that is why God had Paul to preached to them), but God had clean them since it was apart of the gentile culture. So the Yin and Yang people that had converted into Christianity, God has also accepted what they had brought to the dinner table. But can anybody be like Paul?

 

[selenah]

Lol this escalated quickly. I was just wondering because I feel bad for animals that have to die so I can eat them. I can't even kill a fish without crying and telling it I'm sorry lol.

 

[4enlightment]

Lol this escalated quickly. I was just wondering because I feel bad for animals that have to die so I can eat them. I can't even kill a fish without crying and telling it I'm sorry lol.

That is what God want us to have is the respect for all life. But we like boiling a young goat in its mother's milk, and which that is disrespectful. Always treat food as a means of survival, but do not take pleasure in it. because a person have to remember that a life was taken to save our own life. People claimed to have shown remorse over their meals by blessing it and or praying (begging) for grace (clemency) over their meal, but still from their heart is no remorse.

 

[selenah]

That's a really good point

 

[fredjames]

I mean, it was wrong to eat meat before Adam sinned. Why did God say we could eat meat after that and why did he say those who refused to eat meat were weak Christians?

With all due respect to you in the faith of the New Covenant, where is it written that, those who refuse to eat meat were weak Christians?

Thank you.

 

[VCO]

Some foods for thought.

Fish oil is sometimes used after heart transplant surgery to prevent high blood pressure and kidney damage that can be caused by the surgery itself or by drugs used to reduce the chances that the body will reject the new heart. Fish oil is sometimes used after coronary artery bypass surgery. It seems to help keep the blood vessel that has been rerouted from closing up. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/993.html

When vessels expands, you'll need something to dissolve the clots that are floating in the blood stream. Once dissolved, it will come out of the pores, like blackheads or pimples. Should away from foods that clogs arteries, Because if it can clogged the arteries, it surely can plug up something smaller than it like veins and capillaries as well.

You see, the isoflavones in soy ARE the goitrogens. According to the research of Chris Masterjohn in his paper Thyroid Toxins: The Double-Edged Swords of the Kingdom Plantae, fermentation frees the isoflavones (goitrogens) from the sugars to which they are conjoined. When a person eats unfermented soy, there is little digestive action in the human intestines to free the isoflavones from these sugars. However, when this bond is broken during fermentation via the action of the fermenting bacteria, this paves the way for much greater absorption of the isoflavones when a person consumes fermented soy! - See more at: Mercola Confusion: Fermented Soy IS Goitrogenic | The Healthy Home Economist http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/mercola-is-wrong-fermented-soy-is/

I have high blood pressure, and coronary heart disease runs in my family. Almost ever male in my family has it, and my cousin even died of heart problems at 54. I have been taking fish oil, garlic tablets, and drinking an occasional beer, for over twenty years. Still going strong, but those vitamins and blood pressure meds are not the major reason for longevity:

Matthew 6:27 (NIV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?

Proverbs 3:1-3 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] My son, do not forget my teaching, but let your heart keep my commandments,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] for length of days and years of life and peace they will add to you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Let not steadfast love and faithfulness forsake you; bind them around your neck; write them on the tablet of your heart.

 

[VCO]

What does having a person tell you of Christ have to do with accepting or not accepting food. They don't go together.

Some person could tell you they set poison aside for the Lord, would you eat it?

If God has made something clean, then what He made clean is made clean. Scripture does not tell us God made pigs clean. It tells us what God made is good. Pigs are good. Even when they were only scavengers, they were necessary and good, just not considered food back then.

Acts 10:11-16 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
[SUP]16 [/SUP] This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

God put an end to the Dietary Laws that separated Jews from Gentiles that very day.

 

[2Thewaters]

angels are vegetarian,
Thank God!

When they invite you to lunch, hope you like it.

 

[4enlightment]

I have high blood pressure, and coronary heart disease runs in my family. Almost ever male in my family has it, and my cousin even died of heart problems at 54. I have been taking fish oil, garlic tablets, and drinking an occasional beer, for over twenty years. Still going strong, but those vitamins and blood pressure meds are not the major reason for longevity:

Matthew 6:27 (NIV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?

Proverbs 3:1-3 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] My son, do not forget my teaching, but let your heart keep my commandments,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] for length of days and years of life and peace they will add to you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Let not steadfast love and faithfulness forsake you; bind them around your neck; write them on the tablet of your heart.

The dietary laws were for His children to be at their best performance like Moses for an example; before he past on, the scriptures said that he was in great shape. If one of God's children had an blemish spot or an wrinkle or in poor health, were letting God know that this child didn't obeyed His laws.

And on the banks, on both sides of the river, there will grow all kinds of trees for food. Their leaves will not wither, nor their fruit fail, but they will bear fresh fruit every month, because the water for them flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for healing.”

Now Isaiah had said, “Let them take a cake of figs and apply it to the boil, that he may recover.”

You cause the grass to grow for the livestock and plants for man to cultivate, that he may bring forth food from the earth and wine to gladden the heart of man, oil to make his face shine and bread to strengthen man's heart.

 

[2Thewaters]

Agai, there is no meat eating in heaven.
Get used to it.

 

[VCO]

Okay, let's put it this way. If you've brought someone into Christ, and they truly believe in Christ after hearing what you have told them about Him, and so they'd converted; but you cannot refuse to eat whatever this person has offered you in return for the word, because God had clean, consecrated, and or you say that He sanctified this meal. That takes great faith to do something like that, eventhough you haven't ate anything like this before, but you cannot refuse it, So what if you converted over someone that eat cats and this person has offered you to eat with them, would you eat the meal, or not? But remember this verse: Acts 11:9 “The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’

Shocking, the entire process of how Guangzhou restaurants make boiled alive cat


Cat restaurants hidden on the outskirts of town, “boiled alive cat” attract people’s attention
Cat meat 10 yuan/500g, cat brain 30 yuan/500g, cat intestines 50 yuan/500g
What is “boiled alive cat”?
Cook: “[The cat] cannot be completely beaten to death, [because] it also needs to be boiled a little, this is what ‘live cooked cat’ is.”
Why do so many people like eating cat?
Cat eater: Eating cat meat can cure asthma, is a health supplement [something eaten for health benefits].
A stray cat wholesale market has over a thousand cats packed into metal cages. “Boiled Alive Cat” Prepared, Served In Guangzhou Restaurants – chinaSMACK

You were raised in the big city and not on a small farm living the dirt poor share croppers life, weren't you? I have no problem trying any wild or domestic meat. You lose you pickiness real fast when money is real short, and rationing meat is a reality. We only got paid when the crops came in, and then the landlord got at big chunk of that, plus the little bit that came in from selling the milk from about a dozen milk cows. Yes we had a big garden, and we raised dairy cattle, pigs, chickens, ducks, and rabbits for FOOD. We only could afford to butcher a young bull, on very rare occasions. We made one chicken feed six people, and NEVER were we allowed seconds. So we hunted and fished, to put meat in the freeze to get by through the Spring and early Summer until the wheat crop came in. If somebody got sick and had to go to the Doctor, the money came out the food budget.

Let me see if you would eat all of the wild game and fish and country delicacies we had to eat to get by. Frog Legs, Turtles, Pigeons, Black Birds, Wild Rabbits, Squirrels, Possums, Raccoons, Bullheads, Carp, Bass, Pike, Blueguills, Crappie, Trout, Catfish, all kinds of Wild Ducks, Wilson Sand Snipes, Quail, Doves, Eel, Crawdads, Deer, Pheasants, Mountain Oysters (look it up if you have not heard the term), brains, pickled pigs feet, Boiled Chicken Feet, natural casing homemade sausages made from all the leftover parts after butchering, fried grass hoppers that I actually bought in the grocery store and chocolate covered ants, and a lot of things that I probably forgot about, as well as road kill stew.

Those are just the local mid-west Country Folk delicacies, and then I went over seas in the Air Force to Turkey and Okinawa were I tried all kinds of foods, some I liked and some I did not. Raw Octopus and boiled Whale Blubber were not on my winner's list. Some Raw fish was good, some not so good. I had lots of foods in Turkey that I had no idea how it was prepared or what was in it, nor did I care. If I wasn't sure what it was, out of respect, I would eat a little at first, and if it tasted good, I would ask for more. So you must have lived a very sheltered life. No I was not shocked by your boiled cat story, haven't you ever watched as you personally tossed a live lobster in the boiling pot of water? Of course you haven't. Haven't you ever slaughtered and butchered your own cows, pigs, ducks, chickens, and rabbits? Of course you haven't.
If I am right about all of this, and you really lived a big city sheltered life, the look on your face when you read what Mt. Oysters are, would definitely be a big LOL.

 

[4enlightment]

You were raised in the big city and not on a small farm living the dirt poor share croppers life, weren't you? I have no problem trying any wild or domestic meat. You lose you pickiness real fast when money is real short, and rationing meat is a reality. We only got paid when the crops came in, and then the landlord got at big chunk of that, plus the little bit that came in from selling the milk from about a dozen milk cows. Yes we had a big garden, and we raised dairy cattle, pigs, chickens, ducks, and rabbits for FOOD. We only could afford to butcher a young bull, on very rare occasions. We made one chicken feed six people, and NEVER were we allowed seconds. So we hunted and fished, to put meat in the freeze to get by through the Spring and early Summer until the wheat crop came in. If somebody got sick and had to go to the Doctor, the money came out the food budget.

Let me see if you would eat all of the wild game and fish and country delicacies we had to eat to get by. Frog Legs, Turtles, Pigeons, Black Birds, Wild Rabbits, Squirrels, Possums, Raccoons, Bullheads, Carp, Bass, Pike, Blueguills, Crappie, Trout, Catfish, all kinds of Wild Ducks, Wilson Sand Snipes, Quail, Doves, Eel, Crawdads, Deer, Pheasants, Mountain Oysters (look it up if you have not heard the term), brains, pickled pigs feet, Boiled Chicken Feet, natural casing homemade sausages made from all the leftover parts after butchering, fried grass hoppers that I actually bought in the grocery store and chocolate covered ants, and a lot of things that I probably forgot about, as well as road kill stew.

Those are just the local mid-west Country Folk delicacies, and then I went over seas in the Air Force to Turkey and Okinawa were I tried all kinds of foods, some I liked and some I did not. Raw Octopus and boiled Whale Blubber were not on my winner's list. Some Raw fish was good, some not so good. I had lots of foods in Turkey that I had no idea how it was prepared or what was in it, nor did I care. If I wasn't sure what it was, out of respect, I would eat a little at first, and if it tasted good, I would ask for more. So you must have lived a very sheltered life. No I was not shocked by your boiled cat story, haven't you ever watched as you personally tossed a live lobster in the boiling pot of water? Of course you haven't. Haven't you ever slaughtered and butchered your own cows, pigs, ducks, chickens, and rabbits? Of course you haven't.
If I am right about all of this, and you really lived a big city sheltered life, the look on your face when you read what Mt. Oysters are, would definitely be a big LOL.

I think everyone know what are mountain goat oyster are; and if you were stationed in Turkey, most likely you were eating lamb, chicken, or goat; it is very hard to find pork in that country. My dad was born in the mid twenties and he was from the heartlands. He had struggle in those days, but he was blessed before we were born with a great paying job. But he didn't wanted his kids growing up soft , and so he had us doing lots of manual labor. We were taught how to raise a garden without store bought fertilizer, and we had dug up the whole garden by using a shovel only and which he didn't wore shoe. And we had raised chickens and use their poop for the garden an the rest of it in a pile with dirt and had kept it wet to raise worm to use as bait to go fishing with. And after the fall, we had to turn up over the dirt with the plants in the ground of the garden so over the winter that the dead garden plants will keep the garden earth filled with nutrients ( a natural clean nitrogen). My dad was from the very old days, struggling through the Great Depression, and so he known how to utilize with limited resources and which he wasn't wasteful. Before he had past on, he had clothes that he still had wore since the sixties and he had kept them up like new.

Andrew Zimmerman from the show called"Bizarre Foods" eat all sorts of filthy things, but he didn't had it hard. God has given mercy on those that had to eat unclean because they didn't had Him with them to show them what to eat, and what not to eat. Do you know that sushi is a barbarian dish? They had to wrapped the fish with rice and seed weed and buried it in the ground to preserve it, because they didn't had refrigeration to keep their food preserved.

 

[VCO]

Just answering the question... Is vegetarianism wrong?.....No, but I choose to eat a nice big fat ribeye or t-bone sizzling fresh off the grill....HAHHAHA

LOL, and it sure tastes a lot better than a plate of beans, celery, and carrot sticks.

Have you ever wondered why so much of the Vegan food in the frozen food section, is made to look like meat?

Vegan dogs instead of Hot Dogs, Vegan Burgers instead of Hamburgers, etc.

WHY? Because they would really rather have Meat.

 

[christianperson91]

I don't think it is wrong.

 

[john832]

I mean, it was wrong to eat meat before Adam sinned. Why did God say we could eat meat after that and why did he say those who refused to eat meat were weak Christians?

Why do you say it was wrong to eat meat? Scripture does not say that. What it says is this...

Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.