Is Victim Mentality Biblical?

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Roughsoul1991

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Victim Mentality can be defined as

"It’s not my fault." Someone who acts from a place of victimhood claims things that happen to them are the fault of someone or something other than themselves. It might be the fault of their partner, family, co-worker, friend, or "the way the world is." They frequently complain about the bad things that happen in their lives. They are reluctant to take personal responsibility, asserting that the circumstances aren’t in their control.

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/what-is-a-victim-mentality

Victim mentality can take on a whole new personification. This way of thinking is learned and not something we are born with. Victim mentality is often adopted after a past trauma to cope while gaining the benefits of sympathy from others or government.

Our environments may often influence this way of thinking, but our environment doesn't define who we are as a person. I want to share the philosophy and thinking of two great educators and scientist.

Dr. Booker Taliaferro Washington
Founder and First President of Tuskegee Normal and Industrial Institute
(now Tuskegee University)

Term in Office: 1881-1915

“Booker spent his first nine years as an enslaved person on the Burroughs farm, but in 1872, at age sixteen, Booker T. Washington entered Hampton Normal and Agricultural Institute in Virginia. The dominant personality at the school, which had opened in 1868 under the auspices of the American Missionary Association, was the principal, Samuel Chapman Armstrong, the son of American missionaries in Hawaii.

Armstrong, who had commanded Black troops in the Civil War, believed that the progress of freedmen and their descendants depended on education of a special sort, which would be practical and utilitarian and would at the same time inculcate character and morality.

Washington purchased an abandoned 100-acre plantation on the outskirts of Tuskegee. Students built a kiln, made bricks for buildings and sold bricks to raise money. Within a few years, they built a classroom building, a dining hall, a girl’s dormitory and a chapel.

By 1888, the 540-acre Tuskegee Normal and Industrial Institute had an enrollment of more than 400 and offered training in such skilled trades as carpentry, cabinet-omaking, printing, shoemaking and tinsmithing. Boys also studied farming and dairying, while girls learned such domestic skills as cooking and sewing.

Through their own labor, students supplied a large part of the needs of the school. In the academic departments, Washington insisted that efforts be made to relate the subject matter to the actual experiences of the students. Strong emphasis was placed on personal hygiene, manners and character building.

Students followed a rigid schedule of study and work, arising at five in the morning and retiring at nine-thirty at night. Although Tuskegee was non-denominational, all students were required to attend chapel daily and a series of religious services on Sunday. Washington himself usually spoke to the students on Sunday evening.

Olivia Davidson, a graduate of Hampton and Framingham State Normal School in Massachusetts, became teacher and assistant principal at Tuskegee in 1881. In 1885, Washington's older brother John, also a Hampton graduate, came to Tuskegee to direct the vocational training program.

Other notable additions to the staff were acclaimed scientist Dr. George Washington Carver, who became director of the agriculture program in 1896; Emmett J. Scott, who became Washington 's private secretary in 1897; and Monroe Nathan Work, who became head of the Records and Research Department in 1908.


Think about it: we went into slavery pagans; we came out Christians. We went into slavery pieces of property; we came out American citizens. We went into slavery with chains clanking about our wrists; we came out with the American ballot in our hands.

Booker T. Washington (1972). “Papers: The Autobiographical Writings”, p.62, University of Illinois Press

I have begun everything with the idea that I could succeed, and I never had much patience with the multitudes of people who are always ready to explain why one cannot succeed.​
Booker T. Washington, Up from Slavery

https://www.tuskegee.edu/discover-tu/tu-presidents/booker-t-washington

If anyone had the right to live in victimhood, it would have been Booker T Washington but yet he had a completely different look at life.

He saw hardships within the sovereignty of God just as the Israelites were forced into slavery, then Pharaoh was forced to free the Jews, and only then were they free to move towards the promised land. Unfortunately, the Jews began to complain and grumble, even wanting to return to the slavery of Egypt. They spent 40 years wandering the wilderness as God nurtured and prepared the next generation for victory.

Booker T Washington wanted to do the same for the upcoming generation. He taught them a trades skill, morality, to work for what they wanted, the Christian faith, hygiene, manners, good character, and responsibility.

Another great man came out of American slavery and worked alongside Booker T Washington in educating the rising generation. This man was Dr. George Washington Carver who is primarily known for his experiments with the peanut.

Dr. George Washington Carver - 1943
Research Scientist Extraordinaire, Inventor, Man of Faith, Educator and Humanitarian

As a botany and agriculture teacher to the children of ex-slaves, as a former slave himself, Carver revolutionized the agriculture of the South.

God is going to reveal to us things He never revealed before if we put our hands in His. No books ever go into my laboratory. The thing I am to do and the way of doing it are revealed to me. I never have to grope for methods. The method is revealed to me the moment I am inspired to create something new. Without God to draw aside the curtain I would be helpless.

When I was young, I said to God, 'God, tell me the mystery of the universe.' But God answered, 'That knowledge is for me alone.' So I said, 'God, tell me the mystery of the peanut.' Then God said, 'Well George, that's more nearly your size.' And he told me.

Ninety-nine percent of the failures come from people who have the habit of making excuses.

George Washington Carver

https://www.tuskegee.edu/support-tu/george-washington-carver

God was the center of Carver's life, and it showed through his work the importance of his faith. He didn't believe excuses would promote success, but it is often those who keep pushing forward who experience the promises of God.

1 Corinthians 15:57 ESV
But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

We were created to be victors and not the victims.

This is by no means to say that there is no legitimate victim, but to heal from being a victim or achieve the victory we are promised in life is to focus on God.

As we focus on God, we are led to the Son, and through the Son, we achieve victory.


James 1:12
English Standard Version


12 Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

In this life, we will have trials, tribulations, discipline, temptations, and it will often feel as if the world is against us.

It feels this way because it is fallen into this nature of decay. Sin reaps destruction, and the fall reaped decay. If we are born, we will become victims of disease, evil, decay, and death.

It is easy to combine the world's brokenness and internalize the injustices. But yet, in scripture, we have a whole different mindset and examples from Biblical characters who spent time in exile, slavery, prison, tortured, stoned, the belly of a fish, the role of a nomad, losses in battle, sickness, death, etc.

Joseph being of one example, went from favored son to an Egyptian slave, from slave to favored manager, from favored manager to prisoner, from prisoner to the 2nd highest position in the land.

But notice, even when Joseph was falsely accused of attempted rape and thrown into prison, the Lord was with Joseph, the Lord loved Joseph, and gave him favor within confinement.

Genesis 39:20-21
English Standard Version


20 And Joseph's master took him and put him into the prison, the place where the king's prisoners were confined, and he was there in prison. 21 But the Lord was with Joseph and showed him steadfast love and gave him favor in the sight of the keeper of the prison.

Joseph could of easily and legitimately lived as the victim but living as the victim can manifest into victim mentality. He chose to instead live into the victory achieved from having the Lord in our lives.

The signs of victim mentality can be
  • placing blame elsewhere
  • making excuses
  • not taking responsibility
  • reacting to most life hurdles with “It’s not my fault”
  • Not seeking viable solutions to real problems
  • Psychological pain or feeling powerless to change their situation
  • “Everything bad happens to me.”
  • “I can’t do anything about it, so why try?”
  • “I deserve the bad things that happen to me.”
  • “No one cares about me.”
  • Lack of self confidence
  • frustrated and angry with a world that seems against them
  • hopeless about their circumstances never changing
  • hurt when they believe loved ones don’t care
  • resentful of people who seem happy and successful
https://www.healthline.com/health/victim-mentality#causes

So, in conclusion, I hope I have at least highlighted what victim mentality is and at least made the case that no matter our circumstances we can live as the victor and not the victim.
 

Foundsheep

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I am going to point to a story of someone who had a victimhood mentality.
3 This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind him anymore, not even with a chain. 4 For he had often been chained hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5 Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.
I think it's important to draw a distinction between those who can help themselves, and those who clearly cannot.

The whole point of the New Testament is mercy for those who are less fortunate.
 
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SophieT

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I agree. It is sad that this mentality is actually promoted in my culture as an American in order to create division.
yes

it has been honed to a contender for an Academy Award
 
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SophieT

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I am going to point to a story of someone who had a victimhood mentality.


I think it's important to draw a distinction between those who can help themselves, and those who clearly cannot.

The whole point of the New Testament is mercy for those who are less fortunate.
yeah

that is not a victim mentality

he was not even capable of using his mental faculties

that, is a very serious demon possession and Jesus delivered him from it....he will deliver us also

the NT is about the salvation God has made available through His Son Jesus to us
 
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SophieT

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In other words, mercy for the less fortunate.
yeah I guess you are less fortunate when you are parading around stark nekked cause you keep tearing your 3 piece suit off and raving like a lunatic and foaming at the mouth and hurting yourself and just having a really bad day

again, this is not an example of what the op is saying, but you go ahead and tell yourself it is. I would expect nothing less :whistle:

mind you, he could say 'it's not my fault' quite convincingly if he could have spoken

smh
 

Foundsheep

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yeah I guess you are less fortunate when you are parading around stark nekked cause you keep tearing your 3 piece suit off and raving like a lunatic and foaming at the mouth and hurting yourself and just having a really bad day

again, this is not an example of what the op is saying, but you go ahead and tell yourself it is. I would expect nothing less :whistle:

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Why isnt it?

What is cutting yourself and crying all day long, if it's not self pity?

I know people today who cry all day long and cut themselves, and the only reason they aren't shown the same compassion as this man was is because he isn't literally someone in the bible.

We parade around and pretend like we have all this compassion for people and when someone comes in with the same condition that Jesus healed, everyone walks right past them and says get a job you bum.

Also, I was just pointing out that you tried to correct me on what the New Testament was all about, but what I wrote made perfect sense.
 
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SophieT

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Why isnt it?

What is cutting yourself and crying all day long, if it's not self pity?

I know people today who cry all day long and cut themselves, and the only reason they aren't shown the same compassion as this man was is because he isn't literally someone in the bible.

We parade around and pretend like we have all this compassion for people and when someone comes in with the same condition that Jesus healed, everyone walks right past them and says get a job you bum.

Also, I was just pointing out that you tried to correct me on what the New Testament was all about, but what I wrote made perfect sense.
no

I did not try. I actually and truthfully and without regret did correct you

it's a thankless task, but there ya go

you gave an example of a man so demonized he was beyond speaking or understanding. he was completely out of control and had supernatural strength. if you know people like that, I would expect you to visit a hospital on occasion in order to say hi to those people

I don't parade around or pretend anything dude. speak for yourself.
 

KarynLouise

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It's just nitpicking, but I wouldn't include Jonah in the list of examples. He definitely had victim mentality.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I am going to point to a story of someone who had a victimhood mentality.


I think it's important to draw a distinction between those who can help themselves, and those who clearly cannot.

The whole point of the New Testament is mercy for those who are less fortunate.
Victim Mentality is a psychological disorder not a demon possession. These are people who have either adopted this mentality to avoid responsibility or has allowed past trauma to manifest into an unhealthy mentality.

If you mean less fortunate as in they need psychological therapy then I agree. This post is to help people understand this disorder because there are those who wish to promote this disorder as healthy.
 

Roughsoul1991

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It's just nitpicking, but I wouldn't include Jonah in the list of examples. He definitely had victim mentality.
According to the definition he had some traits but yet he also in the belly of the fish prayed to God for his deliverance and then he went and to Nineveh and did as he was commanded. He got angry not as a victim but because he lacked the understanding of God's grace even to the Gentiles. Then God uses a plant to teach him this truth.
 

KarynLouise

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According to the definition he had some traits but yet he also in the belly of the fish prayed to God for his deliverance and then he went and to Nineveh and did as he was commanded. He got angry not as a victim but because he lacked the understanding of God's grace even to the Gentiles. Then God uses a plant to teach him this truth.
Ok. I still don't think he's a good example of a good attitude.
 
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SophieT

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keeping it simple:

The victim mentality rests on three key beliefs:

  • Bad things happen and will keep happening.
  • Other people or circumstances are to blame.
  • Any efforts to create change will fail, so there’s no point in trying.
The idea of the victim mentality is thrown around a lot in pop culture and casual conversation to refer to people who seem to wallow in negativity and force it upon others.

It’s not a formal medical term. In fact, most health professionals avoid it due to the stigma surrounding it.

People who feel trapped in a state of victimization often do express a lot of negativity, but it’s important to realize significant pain and distress often fuel this mindset.

source
 

Roughsoul1991

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Ok. I still don't think he's a good example of a good attitude.
Victim mentality is a disorder not just a bad attitude. But in hindsight if I was in that much despair I only hope I have enough faith as he did in the belly of the fish to call out to God in thankfulness.
 

Gideon300

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Why isnt it?

What is cutting yourself and crying all day long, if it's not self pity?

I know people today who cry all day long and cut themselves, and the only reason they aren't shown the same compassion as this man was is because he isn't literally someone in the bible.

We parade around and pretend like we have all this compassion for people and when someone comes in with the same condition that Jesus healed, everyone walks right past them and says get a job you bum.

Also, I was just pointing out that you tried to correct me on what the New Testament was all about, but what I wrote made perfect sense.
Well done. You managed to miss the whole point of the OP. No one is saying that a legless man should be judged because he can't walk. What can and should happen is that legless people can be helped to get back on their (prosthetic) feet.

Our small fellowship had an online chat channel, back at the start of the internet. One woman came to meet us personally because she was touched by the encouragement she received. She was disabled and worked as an advocate for the disabled. She was in quite a senior position with the organisation.

The group prayed for her and she felt a great warmth come over her. She started to get up from her wheelchair and then decided she did not want to be healed. She valued her position as an advocate more than being able to walk.

I worked as a volunteer with Teen Challenge for a while. Some people were delivered from drug addiction immediately, some took weeks or months and some preferred to stick to the drug lifestyle. It was their choice.

Victim blaming is wrong but so is a victim mentality. Some people just don't want help. We are in the time that whoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be delivered. Some people refuse to seek God's help. Or anyone else's help for that matter.
 

Lanolin

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I think people can change and they dont have to make the same mistakes over and over, and that is why we have Jesus, plus we must be willing to yield to the Holy Sirit who will change our way of thinking.

In this way tragedies can be averted. It is a mercy that we are alive but its by grace we are saved through faith.

God is only a prayer away...we not only chat with Him when times are good also when times are tough and we become closer to Him as a result.
 

Rhomphaeam

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I am going to point to a story of someone who had a victimhood mentality.


I think it's important to draw a distinction between those who can help themselves, and those who clearly cannot.

The whole point of the New Testament is mercy for those who are less fortunate.
Your comment and the link you gave from Mark chapter five may be mistaken because whilst it is likely very true that this poor man was at various times in his mind and thus suffered greatly in what would be called a psychological and emotional way - he was out of his mind in this passage. He was literally no longer in possession of his own mind. Yet he did act towards himself - what today is called self harm in psychological terms and is clinically defined.

The only verse that tells us what this self harm is - is verse five.

Constantly, night and day, he was screaming among the tombs and in the mountains, and gashing himself with stones. Mark 5:5

Verse six and seven imply a volition act as well - in fact verse six states that he was already empowered to act in his own interest and verse eight tells us why. It is that fact of Jesus speaking to the unclean hosts possessing him that can be seen in verse eight because in verse seven the unclean spirit is speaking - not simply the man.

The thread OP is predicated on a meaning - when a former slave who is set free when he is a nine year old boy goes on to bear witness that it is his faith into Christ that forms the basis for telling other former slaves not to be victims - but to stand on their new found liberty and grow in knowledge and skills that will make their lives a better portion. He even requires every member of his college to come to the chapel each evening to preach to them.

Your emphasis is predicated on a meaning that has to do with what happened to the man in the tombs before he was even in chains which he broke and thus was found wandering about when Christ found him.

Draw the threads - but do not weave the garment. It all belongs to the Lord - and even that former meaning of the man's early life and how it was that he became so possessed may very well speak of his father or his mother - or the Rabbi or the Governor - or his school teacher or even his own friends - all of whom could have contributed to his psychological and emotional distress in his early life that led to his spiritual condition - but to emphasise that (presumption) is to keep him in chains and in torment. In Christ we are made free. In remembrance of the things we have endured in life at the hands of others - we are either kept in prison or else we accept that the Lord is the one who will judge and we will walk freely and to the benefit of others. Believe me when I tell you brother - those believers that are so glib to let others know that they should not be victims when they continue to contribute to the very effect that causes it - will soon enough be brought to their beds in tears.