Is Your Doctor a Certified Killer?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

HealthAndHappiness

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2022
10,294
4,337
113
Almost Heaven West Virginia
#2
I think that everyone can benefit from Dr Daniels basic audio class on the basis of the medical institutions called hospitals. This isn't an attack on nurses or other support staff. Daniels very simply describes from source material how the medical industry works. How every patient fits into the machine as their products.
What do doctors know about this?
What is their roll?
Are patients ever looked at as individuals who receive personalized care?
What can YOU do about it?

The time spent to listen and learn is cheap, but it will likely save the life of you or a family member.

Some of you know about my Mom.
If my brother and her neighbor had taken heed to this information, she would be home, happy and healthy today. Instead I am fighting for her life. It's overwhelming to stand against your own family, hospital caretakers who wish death on your own mother who would and will recover with the PROPER HELP. People have bought the Satanic lies and are not only ignorant (without knowledge) on the subject, but willfully so, thus they choose evil.


Provided are practical solutions.
Please choose life.
♥️
 

SaysWhat

Active member
Jan 17, 2024
268
50
28
#5
I guess there's bad and good experiences with doctors. Without a heart valve replacement I wouldn't be still kicking.
 

HealthAndHappiness

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2022
10,294
4,337
113
Almost Heaven West Virginia
#6
I guess there's bad and good experiences with doctors. Without a heart valve replacement I wouldn't be still kicking.

That's a blessing when you find a good one who is helpful.
I agree that there are good and bad Drs and health Care professionals of all kinds. I can point to examples of good and bad chiros, nurses, techs and surgeons too. We hear a lot of the successful things in the media that has a conflict of interest. I'm balancing the perspective as many MDs are now doing since the heart damage shots that all the hospitals pushed.

You are not doing this. But you'll notice that many use the homogeneous term THE DR. Like we are talking about an all encompassing health care physician. In some ways I understand that because the origins of pharmaceutical industry became popular by fiat. There were huge money men who demonized and even outlawed treatments that competed with their financial investments.
Now just about every medical school purposefully excludes true health from their curriculum and is very much controlled by big pharma. Unless med students take enough interest in their patients to study health, they will willfully dispense drugs and every financially lucrative treatment without regards to those who trust them.

This problem is why most have not heard much of anything about heart health care from their surgeons, GPs and cardiologists.

I have a book that I loaned to my late best friend who was an osteopathic physician. His education and experience was far beyond that of the vast majority of MDs in my local hospitals. He responded to my book with his own footnotes and accolades.
>HERE<< is an audio interview with the author of my favorite book on cardiology. Verify the information for yourself and choose your own path though.

Just below the green box with the audio interview is a link with Dr Stephen Sinatra, MD, who happens to be another good resource IMHO. There's more that I can add to the knowledge found in it, that I've discovered in the past 12 years from dozens of good sources.
That's how I can rightly criticize some while praising others.

I'm glad that you are benefitting from your chosen procedure. I've spent long conversations with the research assistants of the surgeon who developed the heart valve. Those were very interesting times. They described the animal trials in pigs at a time when I was participating in separate research.

How has the surgery helped you function better?
 

SaysWhat

Active member
Jan 17, 2024
268
50
28
#7
That's a blessing when you find a good one who is helpful.
I agree that there are good and bad Drs and health Care professionals of all kinds. I can point to examples of good and bad chiros, nurses, techs and surgeons too. We hear a lot of the successful things in the media that has a conflict of interest. I'm balancing the perspective as many MDs are now doing since the heart damage shots that all the hospitals pushed.

You are not doing this. But you'll notice that many use the homogeneous term THE DR. Like we are talking about an all encompassing health care physician. In some ways I understand that because the origins of pharmaceutical industry became popular by fiat. There were huge money men who demonized and even outlawed treatments that competed with their financial investments.
Now just about every medical school purposefully excludes true health from their curriculum and is very much controlled by big pharma. Unless med students take enough interest in their patients to study health, they will willfully dispense drugs and every financially lucrative treatment without regards to those who trust them.

This problem is why most have not heard much of anything about heart health care from their surgeons, GPs and cardiologists.

I have a book that I loaned to my late best friend who was an osteopathic physician. His education and experience was far beyond that of the vast majority of MDs in my local hospitals. He responded to my book with his own footnotes and accolades.
>HERE<< is an audio interview with the author of my favorite book on cardiology. Verify the information for yourself and choose your own path though.

Just below the green box with the audio interview is a link with Dr Stephen Sinatra, MD, who happens to be another good resource IMHO. There's more that I can add to the knowledge found in it, that I've discovered in the past 12 years from dozens of good sources.
That's how I can rightly criticize some while praising others.

I'm glad that you are benefitting from your chosen procedure. I've spent long conversations with the research assistants of the surgeon who developed the heart valve. Those were very interesting times. They described the animal trials in pigs at a time when I was participating in separate research.

How has the surgery helped you function better?
My sister is going through radiation treatment for colon cancer and having issues that could of been prevented if only a doctor had thought of the electrolytes decline issues during radiation treatment, it's a common issue. After she ended up back in the hospital for days because of low electrolytes. I was surprised the team of doctors didn't take that into consideration when she began the treatment.

As for my operation yeah I'm doing much better than I have in my whole life. I was born with a defective aortic valve. If finally clogged up to the point I had no choice but for it to be replaced.
 

CarriePie

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2024
1,856
1,196
113
Oklahoma
#8
I do my best to stay away from doctors. I'm not saying there aren't any good doctors in the world, but no doubt there certainly are bad ones.

In late May, I took my dad to ER. The doctor ordered various tests and after looking at them he told my dad that he didn't see anything wrong and he sent my dad home. My dad continued to get worse. A month and a half later, he was dead.

My dad was a veteran and didn't trust going to the VA. My grandfather (his dad) was a WW2 veteran who had fought in the pacific. He was under VA care and died when he was 59 (I wasn't born yet). Dad always distrusted getting care from the VA due to that. But dad had to go to VA eventually for care. The doctor there sent him home with medication. He took the medication and had a stroke. So at the end we went to a regular hospital and as we found out that didn't work out either. He was only 69 and I had hoped to have had him around a lot longer. So, no, I don't trust the health care system.
 

HealthAndHappiness

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2022
10,294
4,337
113
Almost Heaven West Virginia
#9
My sister is going through radiation treatment for colon cancer and having issues that could of been prevented if only a doctor had thought of the electrolytes decline issues during radiation treatment, it's a common issue. After she ended up back in the hospital for days because of low electrolytes. I was surprised the team of doctors didn't take that into consideration when she began the treatment.

As for my operation yeah I'm doing much better than I have in my whole life. I was born with a defective aortic valve. If finally clogged up to the point I had no choice but for it to be replaced.

That's wonderful that you were helped so much.

I'm sorry to hear about your sister's cancer. That's a serious concern. I just prayed and trust that the Lord continues to help her make safe, healthy decisions. It sounds like He revealed something to her that the experts caused. Glad she found that out and survives!

Thank You Lord, our Great Physician!

I just got done listening to a news report on a common acid blocking medication that has been popular for decades. It's been proven to cause cancer.

>Press for Truth, Most Popular Herbicide & Acid Blocker Causes Cancer<

Years ago I warned my brother to get rid of the Roundup he used on weeds around the yard. I was already mowing and using the weed trimmer as needed on the fence base. I told him Roundup is called liquid Cancer for a reason. I have a degree in agriculture and also worked in cancer research. It was not a matter of IF, but WHEN.
He always did whatever he wanted since he was a spoiled brat and decided to use it without regards to my Mom and our dogs. He's a rebellious wicked cop who makes sure he does the opposite of what is rightly pointed out to him.

Guess what?
Next thing you know,
Our dog got cancer.
I treated the dog when we found the stomach tumor. She was miraculously improving. The tumor was shrinking and she was acting like a puppy with more joy and energy than she had in years.
Allen couldn't stand for that!
He decided to use the veterinary doctor to kill her!
He'd rather our dog die than to let me apply God's healing medicine.
He did the same thing to another pet the day I asked for it since Mom didn't want to have it anymore.
This is the kind of psycho that I have to deal with after caring for him as a child. He's just one example of many who I've discovered are in medicine. When we were told that Drs prescribed cancer causing and heart damaging drugs, don't be surprised. The past few years Drs and Nurses and pharmacists have proven that the love of money IS the root of all evil.

One more thing, my Mom had cancer and concealed that from me.
He decided that he didn't think her own son was worthy of knowing that she might die. He also knew that I insisted he quit spraying Roundup all over her place. That psychopath decided to put her down like a dog.

I ended up with serious internal bleeding and lost God only knows how many pints of blood following Mom's death. I thought he gave me the kind of cancer your sister has. The occult test would certainly been positive for cancer. I decided to not go to an MD. I already knew the results.
My brother and his Dr also gave me a serious heart condition that could have killed me dead as our dogs.
I am a servant of the Lord and have to resist the incredible stress that comes from parents who have been medically murdered. It kills many people every year who are family if the victims of medical murder.

To God be the thanks and glory. He is helping me recover.

Perhaps this thread can help save a life.
 

HealthAndHappiness

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2022
10,294
4,337
113
Almost Heaven West Virginia
#10
I do my best to stay away from doctors. I'm not saying there aren't any good doctors in the world, but no doubt there certainly are bad ones.

In late May, I took my dad to ER. The doctor ordered various tests and after looking at them he told my dad that he didn't see anything wrong and he sent my dad home. My dad continued to get worse. A month and a half later, he was dead.

My dad was a veteran and didn't trust going to the VA. My grandfather (his dad) was a WW2 veteran who had fought in the pacific. He was under VA care and died when he was 59 (I wasn't born yet). Dad always distrusted getting care from the VA due to that. But dad had to go to VA eventually for care. The doctor there sent him home with medication. He took the medication and had a stroke. So at the end we went to a regular hospital and as we found out that didn't work out either. He was only 69 and I had hoped to have had him around a lot longer. So, no, I don't trust the health care system.
😢
I am so sorry and feel your pain .
There are so many bad medications that can cause strokes. The Drs should be using safer natural options instead IMHO.

I warn Veterans, soldiers and their families of the VA hospitals all the time, because they have earned a reputation as the worst hospitals and are responsible for more deaths than the wars Americans have fought in our lifetime.

Thank you for opening up to share.
I know that can be hard. I do a little at a time, but haven't even asked for prayer or announced my Mom's death in the prayer requests, even though I know there are friends here who will. It's been coming out as I am reminded at times since it happened.

I am writing you on my personal prayer list right now. Would it be ok to share with another prayer partner?
 

CarriePie

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2024
1,856
1,196
113
Oklahoma
#11
😢
I am so sorry and feel your pain .
There are so many bad medications that can cause strokes. The Drs should be using safer natural options instead IMHO.

I warn Veterans, soldiers and their families of the VA hospitals all the time, because they have earned a reputation as the worst hospitals and are responsible for more deaths than the wars Americans have fought in our lifetime.

Thank you for opening up to share.
I know that can be hard. I do a little at a time, but haven't even asked for prayer or announced my Mom's death in the prayer requests, even though I know there are friends here who will. It's been coming out as I am reminded at times since it happened.

I am writing you on my personal prayer list right now. Would it be ok to share with another prayer partner?
Thank you. You and I truly are going through a painful time! I can't properly put into words the pain of losing my father. I've been through some things I'd never speak about to anyone and I've lost people close to me, but nothing has compared to this pain. If it wasn't for the Lord, I would have crumbled.

I had kept up with your updates from the beginning until I temporarily stopped coming here in about mid June (due to constantly caring for dad and then dealing with the horrible thick grief afterwards). I have continued to pray for you. I am very sorry to hear about your mother's death! My heart breaks for you in this loss. Being able to relate to the horrible pain of this type of grief...well, my heart goes out to you. And continued prayers too!

You may share with another prayer partner. Thank you so much for your words and for your prayers and for your wisdom in this post..and many other posts!
 

Bob-Carabbio

Well-known member
Jun 24, 2020
1,608
804
113
#12
I think that everyone can benefit from Dr Daniels basic audio class on the basis of the medical institutions called hospitals. This isn't an attack on nurses or other support staff. Daniels very simply describes from source material how the medical industry works. How every patient fits into the machine as their products.
What do doctors know about this?
What is their roll?
Are patients ever looked at as individuals who receive personalized care?
What can YOU do about it?

The time spent to listen and learn is cheap, but it will likely save the life of you or a family member.

Some of you know about my Mom.
If my brother and her neighbor had taken heed to this information, she would be home, happy and healthy today. Instead I am fighting for her life. It's overwhelming to stand against your own family, hospital caretakers who wish death on your own mother who would and will recover with the PROPER HELP. People have bought the Satanic lies and are not only ignorant (without knowledge) on the subject, but willfully so, thus they choose evil.


Provided are practical solutions.
Please choose life.
♥️
Three THINGS you need to know about playing the hospital game (I just got out of Presbyterian in Dallas after a Aortic heart valve replacement).

When asked about your pain level 1-10, ALWAYS tell 'em 8 or 9!!! Otherwise you'll get NO pain medication. Hospitals are PARANOID about giving anything stronger than Tylenol or Aspirin.

ALWAYS tell 'em you're COLD, otherwise they'll just let you freeze.

Nurses mean well, but are pretty helpless if the doctor didn't order it in writing. And, of course particularly after the COVID fiasco, they all seem to be chronically understaffed.
 

HealthAndHappiness

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2022
10,294
4,337
113
Almost Heaven West Virginia
#13
Three THINGS you need to know about playing the hospital game (I just got out of Presbyterian in Dallas after a Aortic heart valve replacement).

When asked about your pain level 1-10, ALWAYS tell 'em 8 or 9!!! Otherwise you'll get NO pain medication. Hospitals are PARANOID about giving anything stronger than Tylenol or Aspirin.

ALWAYS tell 'em you're COLD, otherwise they'll just let you freeze.

Nurses mean well, but are pretty helpless if the doctor didn't order it in writing. And, of course particularly after the COVID fiasco, they all seem to be chronically understaffed.


Thanks for the observations. You learned from your own experience and hopefully others will take note.

I hope you are home now and recovering quickly.
 

Godsgirl1983

Well-known member
Feb 2, 2023
1,720
1,050
113
#14
After years of not seeing a Dr. I finally made myself go.
I must admit I wasn't thrilled about doing so, but am glad I did.
(chronic stress in my home is taking a toll on me).
Now when I say "I have a new dr." I do also mean "new doctor" . He is young, and recently graduated and licensed, which did make me a little nervous at first.
I did tell him I am not a fan of meds. He smiled and said "Neither am I".
We discussed how much of my presenting problems are likely due to the chronic stress and how at this point diet and lifestyle changes (as much as I can control) are going to be my biggest keys right now.
I did walk out with a prescription ( for blood pressure) but also with assurance that this Dr. wants to see the reason and need for that prescription to lessen/ disappear.
Bonus: He's a brother in Christ.
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
60,255
29,538
113
#15
ALWAYS tell 'em you're COLD, otherwise they'll just let you freeze.
I remember many of my health care professionals' team fondly, those I can recall, that is, and even this one, when I asked her for a blanket, which they most often serve up heated and spread over you, just plopped it on me all folded up. When I asked her to cover me with it, she said, what do you think this is, the Hilton??? LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Yeah. I had just gotten out of surgery and had quite a deep hole in my stomach and could hardly move. I certainly could not half sit up and lift anything or extend my arms in front of me which would be required to perform such a task. Another nurse asked me what I do at home, because for a while I needed help with certain other things. I was flabbergasted. I told her I had never been at home in the condition I was in while hospitalized. Duh! Then when they sent me home 15 days post-op and I had to return a few days later because my wound had predictably erupted, they were going to set me up with home care but told me I would have to go out for home care. LOL. I refused. I was not going home until they set me up with HOME care. They finally did.
 

Eli1

Well-known member
Apr 5, 2022
4,773
2,064
113
46
#16
As with everything in life, use a balance. Don't go in one extreme or another and use your God given wisdom.
When you see a doctor about a condition, get a second or a third opinion to make sure they all line up.
Then consider all the side effects in regards to your situation which could be life threatening or not.
Then, use the conventional treatment with natural treatments too. This way you get the best of both worlds.

Doctors in USA are always afraid of lawsuits so they follow a protocol which is insurance-driven. That's sad, but it's the best we got if you want modern medicine.
For example insurance dictates that you must take antibiotics before you get an x-ray. The doctor knows this too but he can't do anything about it.
So, use your judgment if you need to take the antibiotics or not, in order to go to the next phase. You could tell the doctor "yes i took them" and you didn't, or you can take them depending on your situation.

There are no general blanket statements in this situation but one thing that can be said as a general blanket statement is: use balance. Don't go into one extreme or another.
 

Eli1

Well-known member
Apr 5, 2022
4,773
2,064
113
46
#17
Oh and if you go to another doctor for a second or a third opinion, don't tell them that you're there for a second or third opinion because that will affect their real answers.
Just tell them you're there for the first time and you need help.
Then you'll know for sure if what they're telling you lines up with the consensus or if they are inexperienced.
 

HealthAndHappiness

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2022
10,294
4,337
113
Almost Heaven West Virginia
#18
Thank you. You and I truly are going through a painful time! I can't properly put into words the pain of losing my father. I've been through some things I'd never speak about to anyone and I've lost people close to me, but nothing has compared to this pain. If it wasn't for the Lord, I would have crumbled.

I had kept up with your updates from the beginning until I temporarily stopped coming here in about mid June (due to constantly caring for dad and then dealing with the horrible thick grief afterwards). I have continued to pray for you. I am very sorry to hear about your mother's death! My heart breaks for you in this loss. Being able to relate to the horrible pain of this type of grief...well, my heart goes out to you. And continued prayers too!

You may share with another prayer partner. Thank you so much for your words and for your prayers and for your wisdom in this post..and many other posts!

🥺 My heart goes out to you Carrie.
You and your Dad must have been very close too. I think of mine very often and thank the Lord for such a good Father. The time I was crippled, he cared for me and I saw how much he loved me. After the Lord healed me, Dad had a time when he needed care too. I was able to Grow in God's love for him especially then. That has been a blessing in spite of the loss.
I trust that your own Dad knows what a special blessing you are to him forever.

🙏 Thank you so very much for your prayers. I put you back on my list.
 

HealthAndHappiness

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2022
10,294
4,337
113
Almost Heaven West Virginia
#19
I remember many of my health care professionals' team fondly, those I can recall, that is, and even this one, when I asked her for a blanket, which they most often serve up heated and spread over you, just plopped it on me all folded up. When I asked her to cover me with it, she said, what do you think this is, the Hilton??? LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Yeah. I had just gotten out of surgery and had quite a deep hole in my stomach and could hardly move. I certainly could not half sit up and lift anything or extend my arms in front of me which would be required to perform such a task. Another nurse asked me what I do at home, because for a while I needed help with certain other things. I was flabbergasted. I told her I had never been at home in the condition I was in while hospitalized. Duh! Then when they sent me home 15 days post-op and I had to return a few days later because my wound had predictably erupted, they were going to set me up with home care but told me I would have to go out for home care. LOL. I refused. I was not going home until they set me up with HOME care. They finally did.

They were heartless and refused to do the least of care. Your description reminds me of what I read this morning.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

To those unbelieving nurses, the rest is pretty scary.
 

HealthAndHappiness

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2022
10,294
4,337
113
Almost Heaven West Virginia
#20
Oh and if you go to another doctor for a second or a third opinion, don't tell them that you're there for a second or third opinion because that will affect their real answers.
Just tell them you're there for the first time and you need help.
Then you'll know for sure if what they're telling you lines up with the consensus or if they are inexperienced.

I think diagnostic opinions are important too. There have been people who tested that with many different Drs at different hospitals. They got opinions all over the place.
With today's internet, there's never been so much information available.

There's some who are very good at diagnosis. A couple come to mind. They are rare and valuable when you can find them.