Israel Declares War

[Smoke]

When you counsel couples that are having trouble you go in with the assumption that both parties share the guilt. It should be the same with this situation with Israel and Palestine.

Sharing the guilt does not mean it is equal, it may be that one is 80% guilty and the other 20%, and yet you will not restore the relationship unless both repent of their sins.

The second requirement for counseling is that both parties say up front they want a reconciliation. It is pointless to try and reconcile two people if one person does not want to be reconciled. I think it is reasonable to say that Hamas does not want to be reconciled, but for Israel and Palestine I think it is reasonable to say they are more treacherous. They (some not all) may pretend to want reconciliation when in fact they don't. We know that the Jewish strategy has been to use every attack and event to slowly squeeze the Palestinians out of the land.

To me it is not helpful to let people operate in the shadows. Make everyone come forward and make a statement, do you want reconciliation or do you want to kill each other? I suspect you will find the majority of those in both Palestine and Israel want a reconciliation and that will put massive pressure on their respective governments to bow to the will of the people.

Second, you have to make the requirement that if you want reconciliation you must confess and repent of your sins and make atonement.

I really like this. This is a plan for healing. I don't know how practical it is for these two groups of people, but I pray this happens.

 

[shittim]

North Vietnamese used to put AA next to schools and hospitals, Cuomo put covid patients in nursing homes, dr. phony weaponized a virus and infected the world, an experimental shot intentionally misnamed as a "vaccine" with not indication of efficacy was foisted on a dull and ignorant world. There isn't a spot on His Garden that we cannot measure our pollution our pollution of His Creation.
Looks to me like a time of destruction such as the world has never seen, and the day isn't over.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

You missed the memo the media keeps sending us. It's only a crime against humanity to kill innocent Israeli civilians. The Palestinian civilians that are dying from the airstrikes are just "collateral damage". Get with the program or I will accuse you of being an antisemite.

The media is actually on Hamas' side and blaming the war on Israel. They hate Jews too.


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[ZNP]

So airstriking and bombing Gaza into further oblivion knowing you will kill more civilians than Hamas terrorists is evidence and/or proof that "Israel doesn't want to kill civilians"?

I think most people know there is not a smart enough bomb to bypass destroying a civilian but exploding if it senses a Hamas terrorists. That would be an awesome bomb though.

Go ahead and respond to this post asking me if I think Israel has the right to "self-defense" and asking me if I have "served in the military". Do anything you have to do to ignore my questions and respond to the points I make.

So then how do you suggest Israel deals with eliminating the threat? They have hundreds of miles of tunnels, they pop out, fire missiles and then pop back in. What should Israel do?

 

[ZNP]

Absolutely true. It gives Satan another weapon to seduce man and to continue the vicious killing cycle.

OK, but if the leaders do not respond to an attack that killed 1,000+ they will be removed from office. So what would you suggest they do?

 

[ZNP]

No one expects a war to be fought with 0 civilian casualties. We just don't want more civilian casualties than Hamas terrorist casualties. Could we at least agree to this point? 🙏🙏🙏🙏

We all agree we want as few as possible, so explain to us how you would eliminate the threat while preventing civilian casualties and not having much higher military casualties?

 

[ZNP]

You're right. The method in which Hamas terrorists killed innocent Israeli civilians is different in that it is far more barbaric. Israeli is classier in killing innocent Palestinian civilians by targeting Hamas terrorists. The significant more Palestinians that die as a result of the airstrikes/bombings are just "collateral damage".

True, so don't keep us in suspense, what is your advice, how should Israel respond?

 

[shittim]

lamestream media with it's unholy owners will report Israel is attacking "Gaza" when in reality they are precision striking Hamas targets, which the satan worshipers place near homes, schools and hospitals.

 

[ZNP]

Hamas is a terrorist group. They do want to kill all Jews. Thank God they can't even leave their open-air prison


I've heard other people report that since secular Jewish Zionists want a safe state, why doesn't the US just give him one of ours. Kind of a silly expectation and suggestion in my honest opinion.

These Palestinians have been living there for centuries. They don't want to live in an apartheid state. Furthermore, Israel doesn't just let Palestinians come and go as they please between their prisons (Gaza, West Bank, etc...), it needs to be approved first.

Also, I've discussed that Egypt doesn't want them. They blocked the tunnels that lead into Egypt on the border. We can't just volunteer someone other state's land to the Palestinian people.

Can I volunteer you take me in and pay all my bills? God bless, I do appreciate your civility. God bless.

Great, so what is your suggestion, what should Israel do to rectify the situation in Gaza and the West bank with the Palestinians?

 

[Smoke]

10 Reasons Israel Is Not An 'Apartheid' State

Let's repeat until people understand the truth!!

1. All people living in Israel have full equal rights.

There are no inferior or second-class citizens, unlike non-whites in South Africa or minorities in Islamic or Arab countries. Moreover, Arabs occupy senior positions on the Israeli police force, the Knesset and the Israeli judiciary. For example, Salim Joubran, who currently serves on the Israeli Supreme Court, is a Christian Arab. South Africans living under apartheid could only dream of obtaining these types of positions.
Ishmael Khaldi, an Islamic Bedouin, is currently a diplomat in the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Majalli Wahabi (Druze) was the acting president of Israel in 2007. These are just a few examples out of the many minority groups holding prominent positions in Israeli society.

2. An Arab judge, George Karra, sentenced an ex-Israeli president Moshe Katsav to prison for seven years.
When an Arab judge sentences a former Israeli president to jail -- this is truly a testament to Israel's equality amongst all citizens, regardless of race or ethnicity.

3. In 1953, the Bantu Education Act was passed.
This separated blacks from whites in the South African educational system. The government created a new curriculum for black people in which they were taught skills related to manual labour and serving in their Bantustans. In Israel, citizens are given equal opportunity in the workplace and educational department as evidenced by the fact that there are Palestinians and Arabs in Israeli universities who both study and teach as professors.
Today in Israel there are hundreds of Arab schools. Furthermore, education in the Palestinian areas of the West Bank is controlled by the Palestinian Authority. Courts, laws, taxes, police etc. are also under PA jurisdiction in the majority of the West Bank.

4. Incitement to racism is a criminal offence in Israel.
This is the polar opposite of apartheid in South Africa, whose government specifically passed incendiary racist legislation.

5. Arabs and Israelis receive the same treatment in hospitals.
The Hadassah Medical Organization which operates two hospitals in Jerusalem, was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize due to its push for peace in the Middle East and its equal treatment of Palestinians and Israelis. Furthermore, Arab and Israeli children are born amongst each other in the same hospitals.
Even during Israeli-Palestinian conflicts, Palestinians receive top-of-the-line treatment in Israeli hospitals. During apartheid, blacks were specifically given limited access to health care.

6. Non-whites in South Africa had separate amenities.
These include hospitals, beaches, buses, restrooms, drinking fountains and even designated park benches to sit on. None of this discrimination is prevalent in Israel and a law prohibits discrimination in public places.

7. Israeli Arabs have their own political parties in the Knesset -- some of whom are Israel's harshest critics.
The Joint List is an example of this. They received 13 seats in the 2015 Israeli election. Furthermore Arabs have equal voting rights, whereas coloured people during apartheid were not allowed to participate in the political process.

8. Arab citizens are allowed to seek redress through the courts and government if they feel they have been wronged.
Arab citizens also receive trial based on the facts, not ethnicity. This is nothing compared to apartheid South Africa, where discrimination was authorized from the highest position in the government.

9. Arabs in Israel have more fundamental rights than other Islamic and Arab countries in the Middle East.
Ironically, they have more rights than they do in the Gaza Strip or the West Bank.

10. In Israel, there are 1.6 million Arab citizens integrated within Israeli society.
They make up 20 per cent of Israel's population. There was no such integration in South Africa. Furthermore, according to a poll done by Harvard University, 77 per cent of Arab citizens living in Israel would rather live there than any other country in the world. If these citizens were experiencing "apartheid," why are so many of them supportive of Israel?


To proclaim that Israel is an "apartheid state" is to undermine and trivialize the harsh and actual struggles many blacks went through during that dark time of human history. These are the words ofmanySouth Africans who would also concur that Israel is not an "apartheid" state.

Arabs have the right to move freely, vote, obtain an education, work in prominent positions, receive world-class health care, own land and speak freely. Blacks in South Africa had none of these rights.
Regardless of the unfounded criticisms, Israel will still strive in the face of growing adversity. Those who seek to delegitimize, malign and deprecate Israel have lost their moral compass.


While those who are able to discern the truth for themselves, are able to recognize the fact that Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy in the Middle East.

I made an outline of the crimes against humanity that Israel has and is committing which clearly show they are guilty of apartheid. You didn't try to debunk any of them but instead probably copy/pasted something. I posted the requirements by the Rome Statute and I listed how Israel is guilty of each.

Please go back, read my post, and respond how Israel isn't doing/isn't guilty if you genuinely want to have a discussion about it.

 

[ZNP]

Spot on. I think part of their repentance will be getting rid of the apartheid.

I have already said that Israel should pay for a city that they can live in as free citizens of Israel, provided they renounce terrorism and Hamas claim to want to destroy Israel and pledge allegiance to the state of Israel.

If that is not palatable to them then they can also choose to have a city in Jordan that Israel pays for, again provided they renounce terrorism, though in Jordan they don't have to pledge allegiance to Israel.

 

[ZNP]

I made an outline of the crimes against humanity that Israel has and is committing which clearly show they are guilty of apartheid. You didn't try to debunk any of them but instead probably copy/pasted something. I posted the requirements by the Rome Statute and I listed how Israel is guilty of each.

Please go back, read my post, and respond how Israel isn't doing/isn't guilty if you genuinely want to have a discussion about it.

You have made a case, you have not given us the plan that you recommend Israel take to rectify the situation.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I made an outline of the crimes against humanity that Israel has and is committing which clearly show they are guilty of apartheid.
You didn't try to debunk any of them but instead probably copy/pasted something. I posted the requirements by the Rome Statute and I listed how Israel is guilty of each.
Please go back, read my post, and respond how Israel isn't doing/isn't guilty if you genuinely want to have a discussion about it.

Give me the post number and I will check it out. Have you read my post???

 

[ZNP]

I really like this. This is a plan for healing. I don't know how practical it is for these two groups of people, but I pray this happens.

There is no way that Israel can continue to portray themselves as the good guys in this war if they don't agree, at least as a nation with a majority supporting this. Likewise, the Palestinians cannot continue to portray themselves as the innocent victims if they refuse to denounce terrorism.

 

[Smoke]

The media is actually on Hamas' side and blaming the war on Israel. They hate Jews too.


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I don't doubt many secular Jews in the media hate anti-zionist ultra othrodox Jews. Thankfully, I don't see many in the media siding with Hamas. Do you mind my asking what news sources you've seen this on? Without being too specific, where do you live?

 

[ZNP]

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[Smoke]

There is no way that Israel can continue to portray themselves as the good guys in this war if they don't agree, at least as a nation with a majority supporting this. Likewise, the Palestinians cannot continue to portray themselves as the innocent victims if they refuse to denounce terrorism.

We 100% agree.

There is a big problem with the Palestinians though. Not all, but many, do support Hamas. They sympathize less with their oppressor and more for the people they perceive as trying to free them. Trying to be objective, I can't say I wouldn't do the same if I was born in Gaza. I don't even know how to fix that part.

 

[Smoke]

You have made a case, you have not given us the plan that you recommend Israel take to rectify the situation.

First comes a discussion and an understanding of what has been done/currently is happening. Getting to a solution before agreeing to that would be rather difficult.

 

[Smoke]

I have already said that Israel should pay for a city that they can live in as free citizens of Israel, provided they renounce terrorism and Hamas claim to want to destroy Israel and pledge allegiance to the state of Israel.

If that is not palatable to them then they can also choose to have a city in Jordan that Israel pays for, again provided they renounce terrorism, though in Jordan they don't have to pledge allegiance to Israel.

I applaud you for taking the time make the terms on behalf of the Israelis and Palestinians. I don't claim to know what either side wants or doesn't want, what is a deal breaker and what isn't. I can't give you my opinion because I don't want to pretend like I am an expert on those things. It should come straight from the people compromising and negotiating though.

 

[ZNP]

We 100% agree.

There is a big problem with the Palestinians though. Not all, but many, do support Hamas. They sympathize less with their oppressor and more for the people they perceive as trying to free them. Trying to be objective, I can't say I wouldn't do the same if I was born in Gaza. I don't even know how to fix that part.

Not a problem, those that agree with Hamas stay in the walled village, those that renounce it can enter a free city. Right now Hamas strength is that if you attack them you kill "innocent Palestinians". This way only those who stand with Hamas will be in this area and so all of them can be viewed as enemy combatants.

Suppose 80% leave. I recommend that this process could take as much as five years so that people who are reluctant can hear from friends and family that the situation is much better. You would have a city of 1.6 million thriving with a "refugee camp" of avowed terrorists of 400,000. Now if you move them to a camp in the Negev and convert Gaza to this sparkling new city no one could call that "ethnic cleansing". Terrorist cleansing yes, but not ethnic cleansing.

If you move the terrorists out of Gaza they lose all their tunnels and weapons and all the money and investments made over the last 70+ years. Is anyone going to want to support this pitiful camp of terrorists? Put them out in the Negev, make them irrelevant and leave the door open to those who renounce terrorism to leave.