Again, with no documentation whatsoever, you call research not agreeing with your opinion a lie. Neither do you even try to reconcile your idea of an Israel which rejected Jesus with the Christian Israelites so clearly described in Hebrews, James, 1 Peter and others. You still believe, apparently, that "...the twelve tribes...scattered abroad" (James 1:1) are described in James as an anti-Christ people, those you exalt as "Israel." You are confused at best. Your basis for identifying Israelites (a denial that Jesus is Messaih), is that used by the apostle John to identify "anti-Christs." Read the context of the word anti-Christ (1 John 2:18, 22, 4:3; 2 John v. 7). It identifies the counterfeit synagogue of Satan type Jews you worship.
Israel is the Real Terrorist State?
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Again, with no documentation whatsoever, you call research not agreeing with your opinion a lie. Neither do you even try to reconcile your idea of an Israel which rejected Jesus with the Christian Israelites so clearly described in Hebrews, James, 1 Peter and others. You still believe, apparently, that "...the twelve tribes...scattered abroad" (James 1:1) are described in James as an anti-Christ people, those you exalt as "Israel." You are confused at best. Your basis for identifying Israelites (a denial that Jesus is Messaih), is that used by the apostle John to identify "anti-Christs." Read the context of the word anti-Christ (1 John 2:18, 22, 4:3; 2 John v. 7). It identifies the counterfeit synagogue of Satan type Jews you worship.
Re: Two or three witnesses?
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ..." (1 John 2:22) but you say this better fits the witnesses of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. And you have the nerve to say it is me who has an inability to "test the spirits." Have you not read where it says "...believe not every spirit, but try the spirits" (1 John 4:1). It tells us "...that every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of anti-Christ..." (v. 3). This is the spirit, the theological mindset of those who attacked the USS Liberty. And you have the audacity to imply that people like this would not lie. This, in itself is a lie. Who are you working for?
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ..." (1 John 2:22) but you say this better fits the witnesses of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. And you have the nerve to say it is me who has an inability to "test the spirits." Have you not read where it says "...believe not every spirit, but try the spirits" (1 John 4:1). It tells us "...that every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of anti-Christ..." (v. 3). This is the spirit, the theological mindset of those who attacked the USS Liberty. And you have the audacity to imply that people like this would not lie. This, in itself is a lie. Who are you working for?
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biscuit
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Dozens, if not hundreds of American soldiers die from "friendly fire" from its own military in every major war.
Were you there Biscuit? The USS Liberty survivors were there, and they all say that the attack was deliberate, especially the machine gunning of survivors in life boats. I've heard their testimony, and of the cover up that followed, have you? How do you justify the targeting of unarmed Americans in life boats? Why do you consider a bunch of Christ hating Israelis as truth tellers but the Liberty survivors as liars? Many of the USS Liberty survivors are Christians and here you have the audacity to say that is they who are the liars. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Re: Two or three witnesses?
No sane person would speak out against Zionist in public. It probably helps if he is a bit crazy.
Looking at the material he provided, it was interesting that there are some Jewish ties with Iran. This is not a surprise since Ahmadinejad may have some Jewish ancestory.
Also the map showing the reduction in size of Palestine over the decades and the graph of deaths in Gaza caused by Israeli assault tell a story.
What the hey. People have picked their camps when it comes to Israel and Palestine. We might as well just wait for Jesus to return then the truth will come out.
No sane person would speak out against Zionist in public. It probably helps if he is a bit crazy.
Looking at the material he provided, it was interesting that there are some Jewish ties with Iran. This is not a surprise since Ahmadinejad may have some Jewish ancestory.
Also the map showing the reduction in size of Palestine over the decades and the graph of deaths in Gaza caused by Israeli assault tell a story.
What the hey. People have picked their camps when it comes to Israel and Palestine. We might as well just wait for Jesus to return then the truth will come out.
You are literally denying the fact that the general epistles (Hebrews, James, 1 Peter, ect.) identify Israelites as the nucleus of the church. I've repeatedly asked those of your mindset for scriptural evidence proving that the first century church was comprised of Canaanites, Edomites and other non-Isralites (i.e., contrary to the general epistles). You have not done this.
Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 are describing "blasphemy." These would have been people who denied that Jesus was the Messiah. John, in 1 John 2:18, 22; 4:3 and 2 John v. 7 identifies people who deny that Jesus is the Messiah as "anti-Christ/anti-Christs." These, obviously, are of the same mindset as the blaspheming "synagogue of Satan." For you to imply that this blaspheming synagogue of Satan type mindset was confined to the first century is laughable to say the least.
You would have to know that a set of books called The Talmud is the authority for the religion of today's synagogue of Satan, for the blasphemers masquerading as Jews. You would also have to know that these writings describe Jesus as the offspring of a prostitute and a Roman soldier. Jesus is described in the Talmud as deserving of being boiled in excrement. But you conveniently ignore this blasphemy.
That Jesus was the Messiah of Bible prophecy is proved over and over in God's Word. Jesus, in his own words, said he was the Messiah. Denying then that Jesus is the Messiah---is calling Jesus a liar! What then is the origin of your support for these theological liars? Why do you have such blind allegiance to "anti-Christs," to those who deny that Messiah "...is come in the flesh" (2 John v. 7)? Why, when we are told not to receive them into our house nor to bid them God speed, do you support those who deny that Messiah "...is come in the flesh."
You are a friend of today's Pharisees, of the blaspemers who who deny that Messiah "is come in the flesh."
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RachelBibleStudent
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you need documentation to prove that 'adam and eve did not exist' is a lie? you need documentation to prove that 'the twelve tribes never existed' is a lie? you need documentation to prove that 'the kingdom of david is a myth' is a lie?
then pick up a bible!
though judging from your posts on other threads it seems you don't believe a -lot- of what the bible teaches...you don't believe that all people came from adam and eve...you don't believe in heaven or hell...and so on...
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Re: Two or three witnesses?
well actually it turned out that you are the liar here...
for example...there is nothing in the testimony of the USS liberty crew members about the israelis shooting survivors in lifeboats...in fact the lifeboats were not carrying people...instead the crew of the liberty only dropped some lifeboats that had caught fire into the sea...
sooner or later every single conspiracy theorist gets caught in a blatant lie...
well actually it turned out that you are the liar here...
for example...there is nothing in the testimony of the USS liberty crew members about the israelis shooting survivors in lifeboats...in fact the lifeboats were not carrying people...instead the crew of the liberty only dropped some lifeboats that had caught fire into the sea...
sooner or later every single conspiracy theorist gets caught in a blatant lie...
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RachelBibleStudent
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now you are lying about what i have said...
i don't deny that israelites were the core of the early church...but i continue to point out that these jewish converts to christianity were only a small minority of the israelite people as a whole...
there were an estimated one million christians in the roman empire by the end of the first century AD...even if we were to assume that -every single one- of these christians was an israelite convert...that is still no more than about 20% of the total jewish population in the roman empire...
the other 80% would still be unsaved...
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RachelBibleStudent
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if you want to talk about denying the messiah and being an antichrist then let's get straight to the facts...
your other posts on this forum indicate that you are part of the 'christian identity' cult...so -you- are the one who denies that jesus is the messiah...you reject the messiah of the bible and replace him with the false christ of the 'christian identity' cult...
so you are the antichrist one here...and i will add you to the long list of 'christian' conspiracy theorists who have turned out to be cultists...
Re: Two or three witnesses?
Actually going through the survivors accounts, three spoke of lifeboat being machine gunned. Others spoke of other horrific crimes.
[h=4]Halbardier describes Israeli machinegunning of Liberty's life rafts, a war crime under international law[/h][h=4]Hrankowski: Irsaeli torpedomen fired on our liferafts in the water.[/h][h=4]Ennes: Israel claims firing stopped as soon as the boats came close enough to identify the ship as American. Not so. They continued to fire from close range for another 40 minutes and fired upon liferafts in the water waiting for survivors.[/h]http://www.ussliberty.org/voices.htm
Actually going through the survivors accounts, three spoke of lifeboat being machine gunned. Others spoke of other horrific crimes.
[h=4]Halbardier describes Israeli machinegunning of Liberty's life rafts, a war crime under international law[/h][h=4]Hrankowski: Irsaeli torpedomen fired on our liferafts in the water.[/h][h=4]Ennes: Israel claims firing stopped as soon as the boats came close enough to identify the ship as American. Not so. They continued to fire from close range for another 40 minutes and fired upon liferafts in the water waiting for survivors.[/h]http://www.ussliberty.org/voices.htm
Does Israel control the US?
Does Israel control the US?
CAPITOL HILL, WASHINGTON, D.C.
OCTOBER 22, 2003
ADMIRAL THOMAS H. MOORER, UNITED STATES NAVY, (RET.)
FORMER CHAIRMAN, JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF
GENERAL RAYMOND G. DAVIS, UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS, (MOH)*
FORMER ASSISTANT COMMANDANT OF THE MARINE CORPS
REAR ADMIRAL MERLIN STARING, UNITED STATES NAVY, (RET.)
FORMER JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL OF THE NAVY HH
AMBASSADOR JAMES AKINS, (RET.)
FORMER UNITED STATES AMBASSADOR TO SAUDI ARABIA
Chief Attorney of the 1967 Court of Inquiry
Captain Boston's Affidavit
Commonly Asked Questions about USS Liberty
Who are the Commissioners of this Independent Investigation?
We, the undersigned, having undertaken an independent investigation of Israel’s attack on USS Liberty, including eyewitness testimony from surviving crewmembers, a review of naval and other official records, an examination of official statements by the Israeli and American governments, a study of the conclusions of all previous official inquiries, and a consideration of important new evidence and recent statements from individuals having direct knowledge of the attack or the cover up, hereby find the following: **
1. That on June 8, 1967, after eight hours of aerial surveillance, Israel launched a two-hour air and naval attack against USS Liberty, the world’s most sophisticated intelligence ship, inflicting 34 dead and 172 wounded American servicemen (a casualty rate of seventy percent, in a crew of 294);
2. That the Israeli air attack lasted approximately 25 minutes, during which time unmarked Israeli aircraft dropped napalm canisters on USS Liberty's bridge, and fired 30mm cannons and rockets into our ship, causing 821 holes, more than 100 of which were rocket-size; survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over the ship by a minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency radio channels;
3. That the torpedo boat attack involved not only the firing of torpedoes, but the machine-gunning of Liberty’s firefighters and stretcher-bearers as they struggled to save their ship and crew; the Israeli torpedo boats later returned to machine-gun at close range three of the Liberty’s life rafts that had been lowered into the water by survivors to rescue the most seriously wounded;
4. That there is compelling evidence that Israel’s attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew; evidence of such intent is supported by statements from Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA director Richard Helms, former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter; former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.); and former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967;
5. That in attacking USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States;
6. That fearing conflict with Israel, the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of USS Liberty by recalling Sixth Fleet military rescue support while the ship was under attack; evidence of the recall of rescue aircraft is supported by statements of Captain Joe Tully, Commanding Officer of the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga, and Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, the Sixth Fleet carrier division commander, at the time of the attack; never before in American naval history has a rescue mission been cancelled when an American ship was under attack;
7. That although Liberty was saved from almost certain destruction through the heroic efforts of the ship’s Captain, William L. McGonagle (MOH), and his brave crew, surviving crew members were later threatened with “court-martial, imprisonment or worse” if they exposed the truth; and were abandoned by their own government;
8. That due to the influence of Israel’s powerful supporters in the United States, the White House deliberately covered up the facts of this attack from the American people;
9. That due to continuing pressure by the pro-Israel lobby in the United States, this attack remains the only serious naval incident that has never been thoroughly investigated by Congress; to this day, no surviving crew member has been permitted to officially and publicly testify about the attack;
10. That there has been an official cover-up without precedent in American naval history; the existence of such a cover-up is now supported by statements of Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN (Ret.), former Judge Advocate General of the Navy; and Captain Ward Boston, USN, (Ret.), the chief counsel to the Navy’s 1967 Court of Inquiry of Liberty attack;
11. That the truth about Israel’s attack and subsequent White House cover-up continues to be officially concealed from the American people to the present day and is a national disgrace;
12. That a danger to our national security exists whenever our elected officials are willing to subordinate American interests to those of any foreign nation, and specifically are unwilling to challenge Israel’s interests when they conflict with American interests; this policy, evidenced by the failure to defend USS Liberty and the subsequent official cover-up of the Israeli attack, endangers the safety of Americans and the security of the United States.
We, the undersigned, hereby affix our hands and seals, this 22nd day of October, 2003.
Thomas H. Moorer
Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff
General of Marines Raymond G. Davis, USMC, MOH*
Merlin Staring
Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN, Ret.,
Former Judge Advocate General of the Navy,
James Akins
Ambassador James Akins, Ret.,
Former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia
Does Israel control the US?
CAPITOL HILL, WASHINGTON, D.C.
OCTOBER 22, 2003
ADMIRAL THOMAS H. MOORER, UNITED STATES NAVY, (RET.)
FORMER CHAIRMAN, JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF
GENERAL RAYMOND G. DAVIS, UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS, (MOH)*
FORMER ASSISTANT COMMANDANT OF THE MARINE CORPS
REAR ADMIRAL MERLIN STARING, UNITED STATES NAVY, (RET.)
FORMER JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL OF THE NAVY HH
AMBASSADOR JAMES AKINS, (RET.)
FORMER UNITED STATES AMBASSADOR TO SAUDI ARABIA
Chief Attorney of the 1967 Court of Inquiry
Captain Boston's Affidavit
Commonly Asked Questions about USS Liberty
Who are the Commissioners of this Independent Investigation?
We, the undersigned, having undertaken an independent investigation of Israel’s attack on USS Liberty, including eyewitness testimony from surviving crewmembers, a review of naval and other official records, an examination of official statements by the Israeli and American governments, a study of the conclusions of all previous official inquiries, and a consideration of important new evidence and recent statements from individuals having direct knowledge of the attack or the cover up, hereby find the following: **
1. That on June 8, 1967, after eight hours of aerial surveillance, Israel launched a two-hour air and naval attack against USS Liberty, the world’s most sophisticated intelligence ship, inflicting 34 dead and 172 wounded American servicemen (a casualty rate of seventy percent, in a crew of 294);
2. That the Israeli air attack lasted approximately 25 minutes, during which time unmarked Israeli aircraft dropped napalm canisters on USS Liberty's bridge, and fired 30mm cannons and rockets into our ship, causing 821 holes, more than 100 of which were rocket-size; survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over the ship by a minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency radio channels;
3. That the torpedo boat attack involved not only the firing of torpedoes, but the machine-gunning of Liberty’s firefighters and stretcher-bearers as they struggled to save their ship and crew; the Israeli torpedo boats later returned to machine-gun at close range three of the Liberty’s life rafts that had been lowered into the water by survivors to rescue the most seriously wounded;
4. That there is compelling evidence that Israel’s attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew; evidence of such intent is supported by statements from Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA director Richard Helms, former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter; former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.); and former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967;
5. That in attacking USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States;
6. That fearing conflict with Israel, the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of USS Liberty by recalling Sixth Fleet military rescue support while the ship was under attack; evidence of the recall of rescue aircraft is supported by statements of Captain Joe Tully, Commanding Officer of the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga, and Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, the Sixth Fleet carrier division commander, at the time of the attack; never before in American naval history has a rescue mission been cancelled when an American ship was under attack;
7. That although Liberty was saved from almost certain destruction through the heroic efforts of the ship’s Captain, William L. McGonagle (MOH), and his brave crew, surviving crew members were later threatened with “court-martial, imprisonment or worse” if they exposed the truth; and were abandoned by their own government;
8. That due to the influence of Israel’s powerful supporters in the United States, the White House deliberately covered up the facts of this attack from the American people;
9. That due to continuing pressure by the pro-Israel lobby in the United States, this attack remains the only serious naval incident that has never been thoroughly investigated by Congress; to this day, no surviving crew member has been permitted to officially and publicly testify about the attack;
10. That there has been an official cover-up without precedent in American naval history; the existence of such a cover-up is now supported by statements of Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN (Ret.), former Judge Advocate General of the Navy; and Captain Ward Boston, USN, (Ret.), the chief counsel to the Navy’s 1967 Court of Inquiry of Liberty attack;
11. That the truth about Israel’s attack and subsequent White House cover-up continues to be officially concealed from the American people to the present day and is a national disgrace;
12. That a danger to our national security exists whenever our elected officials are willing to subordinate American interests to those of any foreign nation, and specifically are unwilling to challenge Israel’s interests when they conflict with American interests; this policy, evidenced by the failure to defend USS Liberty and the subsequent official cover-up of the Israeli attack, endangers the safety of Americans and the security of the United States.
We, the undersigned, hereby affix our hands and seals, this 22nd day of October, 2003.
Thomas H. Moorer
Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff
General of Marines Raymond G. Davis, USMC, MOH*
Merlin Staring
Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN, Ret.,
Former Judge Advocate General of the Navy,
James Akins
Ambassador James Akins, Ret.,
Former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia
‘We have Abraham for our father’
Matthew 3
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance; 9 and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham for our father’; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. 10 The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
John 8
31 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” 33 They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, ‘You will become free’?”
34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. 35 The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. 36 So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants; yet you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak the things which I have seen with My Father; therefore you also do the things which you heard from your father.”
39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus *said to them, “If you are Abraham’s children, do the deeds of Abraham. 40 But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. 41 You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.”
Matthew 3
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance; 9 and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham for our father’; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. 10 The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
John 8
31 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” 33 They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, ‘You will become free’?”
34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. 35 The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. 36 So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants; yet you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak the things which I have seen with My Father; therefore you also do the things which you heard from your father.”
39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus *said to them, “If you are Abraham’s children, do the deeds of Abraham. 40 But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. 41 You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.”
And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants...
Romans 9
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” 8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come, and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; 11 for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, 12 it was said to her, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
Galatians 3
23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.
Romans 9
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” 8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come, and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; 11 for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, 12 it was said to her, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
Galatians 3
23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.
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I think the USS Liberty case is just one of many that shows who is ultimately in control. Sure, the devil and his followers can try and sink boats, kill witnesses, claim it was all a case of "mistaken identity" etc. - even to this day. But if God says the ship's not going to sink, and He's going to preserve certain crew as survivors, that's what's going to happen. And two hours of strafing by the devil's pilots isn't going to change that.
And 50 years of excuses by the devil's apologists isn't going to change the truth. And one day, all of these people will get justice - from the murderers in the planes, to the liars who still shill today that it was all an accident. According to their deeds. Thank God that while we are still alive, we can turn to Jesus for forgiveness of our sins and role in this rebellion.
"The truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself." ~ St. Augustine
And 50 years of excuses by the devil's apologists isn't going to change the truth. And one day, all of these people will get justice - from the murderers in the planes, to the liars who still shill today that it was all an accident. According to their deeds. Thank God that while we are still alive, we can turn to Jesus for forgiveness of our sins and role in this rebellion.
"The truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself." ~ St. Augustine
The Lion
Revelation 1
12 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; 13 and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like [j]a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash. 14 His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. 15 His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. 16 In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun [k]shining in its strength.
Revelation 5
1 I saw [a]in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a [b]book written inside and on the back, sealed up with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the [c]book and to break its seals?” 3 And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the [d]book or to look into it. 4 Then I began to weep greatly because no one was found worthy to open the [e]book or to look into it; 5 and one of the elders *said to me, “Stop weeping; behold, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to open the [f]book and its seven seals.”
Revelation 10
1 I saw another strong angel coming down out of heaven, clothed with a cloud; and the rainbow was upon his head, and his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire; 2 and he had in his hand a little book which was open. He placed his right foot on the sea and his left on the land; 3 and he cried out with a loud voice, as when a lion roars; and when he had cried out, the seven peals of thunder [a]uttered their voices.
Revelation 1
12 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; 13 and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like [j]a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash. 14 His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. 15 His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. 16 In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun [k]shining in its strength.
Revelation 5
1 I saw [a]in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a [b]book written inside and on the back, sealed up with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the [c]book and to break its seals?” 3 And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the [d]book or to look into it. 4 Then I began to weep greatly because no one was found worthy to open the [e]book or to look into it; 5 and one of the elders *said to me, “Stop weeping; behold, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to open the [f]book and its seven seals.”
Revelation 10
1 I saw another strong angel coming down out of heaven, clothed with a cloud; and the rainbow was upon his head, and his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire; 2 and he had in his hand a little book which was open. He placed his right foot on the sea and his left on the land; 3 and he cried out with a loud voice, as when a lion roars; and when he had cried out, the seven peals of thunder [a]uttered their voices.
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RachelBibleStudent
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christianity teaches salvation by grace through faith in jesus christ...that is the true gospel...
in this post you are teaching salvation by acceptance of conspiracy theories...so now you are preaching a false gospel...
but then you would not be the first conspiracy theorist to be caught in blatant heresy...
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Tealessence
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Look up the dictionary definition of Zionism or zionist. It's about the Jews having a right to their homeland of Israel. We've all seen what happens when there ISN'T one. Anyone who is FOR that is SICK. 'Zionist' has become the new word for 'Jew' so that Anti-Semites can hide their Anti-Semitism. that's all it is. I've seen is COUNTLESS times.