I do not see it either, because the problem Paul had getting recognized as a genuine Apostle, was they doubted that He had physically seen the resurrected Christ. Which indicates that was a requirement of the office of Apostle.
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I do not see it either, because the problem Paul had getting recognized as a genuine Apostle, was they doubted that He had physically seen the resurrected Christ. Which indicates that was a requirement of the office of Apostle.
When once i was surfing the You Tube, on 'Christian movies', i stumbled across a sermon given by sir Dave Hunt, about Israel. Just one thing keeps coming back to my mind, when i hear, see or share about Israel, that they are still GOD's nation/people. How many times these words as below, are written in the HOLY BIBILE
1. GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
2. GOD of Israel.
GOD brought them back after HIS wrath settled, scattering them and from that day until today, they are still declared as the nation Israel. Israel meaning 'a man who wrestle with GOD(JESUS in the beginning)', the name given by GOD Himself to their famous ancestor Jacob, who fathered the twelve who became the tribes of Israel and from the tribe Judah came famous and successful Kings but one spoken about by Angel Gabriel to mother Mary, would be the final KING of Israel forever (Luke 1;33).
Then one may say, "They rejected JESUS of Nazareth and put HIM to death and murdered their own final KING".
This is not based on what we witnessed in the HOLY BIBLE by reading them once, but by what we continue to witness reading the HOLY BIBLE, by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT on and on, that our confession is witnessed as truth.
HE LIVES ON FOREVER AND EVER, ONLY SUBJECTED TO THE FATHER , AND REIGNS AS LORD of Lords AND KING OF Kings, AMEN.
According to sound doctrine in Prophecy, GOD as the Director, orchestrated and also hands on, the world and it's events, that in HIS one and only and one day will be proclaimed by all, who have breath, as the grand finale's best award winning in 'every way', 'every truth' and 'every life', Blockbuster 'Truth Redeeming' movie of all time and eternal, that the Jews minds were made shut that they must and shall reject their MESSIAH and have HIM crucified by the Gentiles.
And so that because of them in doing so by GDO's will and planned, then only 'unmerited favor', the Good News and peace shall be preached, given and done by some of the Jews who were chosen and who had faith HE is the MESSIAH, ministering onto the Gentiles.
So Gentiles Christian cannot be proud over them saved or unsaved but to be thankful and pray for them who is going through Tribulation for doing wrong until today. This is an affair between GOD and HIS children and we are just the adopted because of them and through them and JESUS who is also Jew and KING of Israel and from the line of David and is the first fruit of Resurrection.
For the Israelite today, they still have a chance of Salvation from GOD. As LORD JESUS CHRIST said that, 'when the Gospel is preached all over the earth, then it will return back to Israel'. i believe this will happen through and during the time of the two witnesses who will come to Israel and minister onto them during anti-CHRIST reign
Didn't JESUS teach HIS disciples how and what to pray to GOD and ask. And one of them for Israel goes like this;
"Pray to GOD, 'To save Israel from all of it's troubles.' "
1. GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
2. GOD of Israel.
GOD brought them back after HIS wrath settled, scattering them and from that day until today, they are still declared as the nation Israel. Israel meaning 'a man who wrestle with GOD(JESUS in the beginning)', the name given by GOD Himself to their famous ancestor Jacob, who fathered the twelve who became the tribes of Israel and from the tribe Judah came famous and successful Kings but one spoken about by Angel Gabriel to mother Mary, would be the final KING of Israel forever (Luke 1;33).
Then one may say, "They rejected JESUS of Nazareth and put HIM to death and murdered their own final KING".
This is not based on what we witnessed in the HOLY BIBLE by reading them once, but by what we continue to witness reading the HOLY BIBLE, by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT on and on, that our confession is witnessed as truth.
HE LIVES ON FOREVER AND EVER, ONLY SUBJECTED TO THE FATHER , AND REIGNS AS LORD of Lords AND KING OF Kings, AMEN.
According to sound doctrine in Prophecy, GOD as the Director, orchestrated and also hands on, the world and it's events, that in HIS one and only and one day will be proclaimed by all, who have breath, as the grand finale's best award winning in 'every way', 'every truth' and 'every life', Blockbuster 'Truth Redeeming' movie of all time and eternal, that the Jews minds were made shut that they must and shall reject their MESSIAH and have HIM crucified by the Gentiles.
And so that because of them in doing so by GDO's will and planned, then only 'unmerited favor', the Good News and peace shall be preached, given and done by some of the Jews who were chosen and who had faith HE is the MESSIAH, ministering onto the Gentiles.
So Gentiles Christian cannot be proud over them saved or unsaved but to be thankful and pray for them who is going through Tribulation for doing wrong until today. This is an affair between GOD and HIS children and we are just the adopted because of them and through them and JESUS who is also Jew and KING of Israel and from the line of David and is the first fruit of Resurrection.
For the Israelite today, they still have a chance of Salvation from GOD. As LORD JESUS CHRIST said that, 'when the Gospel is preached all over the earth, then it will return back to Israel'. i believe this will happen through and during the time of the two witnesses who will come to Israel and minister onto them during anti-CHRIST reign
Didn't JESUS teach HIS disciples how and what to pray to GOD and ask. And one of them for Israel goes like this;
"Pray to GOD, 'To save Israel from all of it's troubles.' "
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GOD has always had a remnant of genuine believers among the Israelites:
Romans 9:6-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Neither are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants. On the contrary, your offspring will be traced through Isaac.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] That is, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but the children of the promise are considered to be the offspring.
Their covenant as His chosen Nation (people) is an everlasting Covenant.
Psalm 105:8-11 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He remembers His covenant forever, The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations,
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The covenant which He made with Abraham, And His oath to Isaac,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute, To Israel as an everlasting covenant,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Saying, "To you I will give the land of Canaan As the allotment of your inheritance,"1 Chronicles 16:17-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute, To Israel for an everlasting covenant,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Saying, "To you I will give the land of Canaan As the allotment of your inheritance,"'
AND GOD KEEPS HIS PROMISES.His chosen Nation (people), were promised the land of Canaan forever.
Who then are the 144,000?
All are Israelites, whom GOD sealed from harm in their mortal bodies, exactly 12,000 from each tribe.
For what purpose?
After all the Tribulation saints are beheaded by the Antichrist, when only unbelievers are left on this Earth; Christ will return as King of Kings and Lord of Lords casting the Beast and the False Prophet into the Lake of Fire, and HE will kill the REST with the sword of His mouth (His Word). THEN since we will all be in our resurrected, glorified, immortal bodies, the ONLY mortals left will be the 144,000. They will repopulate the Earth with mortals, starting in Israel, where Christ will be seated for a 1000 years on the Throne of David.
Revelation 19:20-21 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. {At the Second Coming of Christ when He sets foot on Earth again.} And all the birds were filled with their flesh.
What about the Bride of Christ, how are they protected from the HORRIBLE THINGS that go on during the Great Tribulation?
I believe that Daniel's 70th week and the Great Tribulation are the SAME week of years. Since the Jewish wedding traditions required a week long Celebration, that same Week of Years is most likely the Wedding of the Lamb, thus we will be CALLED OUT to go to the Wedding in the New Dwelling Place He has built for us in His Father's House in Heaven. That is also a Jewish Wedding Tradition.
Who are the Bride of Christ, the Church or the Old Testament genuine Believers?
THE SUM TOTAL OF BOTH ARE THE BRIDE OF CHRIST, and our covenant is to be His adopted Children in Heaven, not His Chosen Nation of mortals.
If you want to discuss the Jewish Wedding Traditions and how they relate to the Bride of Christ, jump over to this thread:
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ng-out-bride-go-wedding-lamb.html#post1604022
I tried to start that discussion a couple months ago and got no responses, perhaps God has chosen this as the time to discuss it.
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When will the Third Temple be built?
The Third Temple In Jerusalem Soon? - YouTube
Jerusalem Special Report - The Building of the Third Temple - YouTube
The Third Temple In Jerusalem Soon? - YouTube
Jerusalem Special Report - The Building of the Third Temple - YouTube
This is what we talked about, little brother. Each of us has a purpose, and a desire set upon our hearts.
You don't need to judge the work of another man.
We are all a part of the Body, and we all have roles. God's plan is very deep and very wide, and he uses all the parts of the Body to do different things to accomplish His plan.
It is unwise to harass those who God has placed over the physical fulfillment.
I realize that you have been burdened differently, and I accept it as from God,
but don't fret just because not all share your calling.
Rejoice that you have been called, and go forward in your calling, not looking back, or to the side.
What you are doing here is a 'side glance' at your fellow workers.
Eyes forward, son, and press on.
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Linda70
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There is no Scriptures that states that the Christians want a temple to be built. However, there are Scriptures in the OT and NT that states there will be a third temple built.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
This is a prophecy of the abomination of desolation...there must be a temple in order for this prophecy to be fulfilled. And it will be literally fulfilled at the mid point of the 7 year tribulation. The apostle Paul also prophesied about the abomination of desolation:
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The apostle John in the book of Revelation spoke about the third (tribulation) temple:
Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
There will be a third (tribulation) temple build...and it will happen soon. It is going to be built not because Christians want it to be built, but because Scripture says it will be built.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
This is a prophecy of the abomination of desolation...there must be a temple in order for this prophecy to be fulfilled. And it will be literally fulfilled at the mid point of the 7 year tribulation. The apostle Paul also prophesied about the abomination of desolation:
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The apostle John in the book of Revelation spoke about the third (tribulation) temple:
Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
There will be a third (tribulation) temple build...and it will happen soon. It is going to be built not because Christians want it to be built, but because Scripture says it will be built.
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Ukorin
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I know Solid does not want me to pursue this any further, but I must ask:
If the purpose of the third Temple is to bring about the purpose of the 'man of sin', then why do so many Christians start and seek out ministries to build this Temple? I am given assurance of His Word when receiving news of it's undertaking,
but I do not find joy in it; however, I do praise God for His faithfulness to His Word.
It seems to me that Satan is the one who wants/needs this Temple to be built, so that he can present his acolyte and prophet.
Why aid the Enemy, rather than just sticking to the Great Commision?
God has shown that a third Temple will certainly be built, but is it out of His desire, or His allowance?
I feel that many are trying to prove their interpretation true by pushing it into existence,
rather that just living out what is commanded in the Word, and waiting upon the Lord.
God will use their efforts to bring about His plan,
but He also uses unbelievers to do the same thing.
Is it wise to push the fulfillment of a prophecy which is not directly or even indirectly commanded in Scripture for Believers to pursue?
If the purpose of the third Temple is to bring about the purpose of the 'man of sin', then why do so many Christians start and seek out ministries to build this Temple? I am given assurance of His Word when receiving news of it's undertaking,
but I do not find joy in it; however, I do praise God for His faithfulness to His Word.
It seems to me that Satan is the one who wants/needs this Temple to be built, so that he can present his acolyte and prophet.
Why aid the Enemy, rather than just sticking to the Great Commision?
God has shown that a third Temple will certainly be built, but is it out of His desire, or His allowance?
I feel that many are trying to prove their interpretation true by pushing it into existence,
rather that just living out what is commanded in the Word, and waiting upon the Lord.
God will use their efforts to bring about His plan,
but He also uses unbelievers to do the same thing.
Is it wise to push the fulfillment of a prophecy which is not directly or even indirectly commanded in Scripture for Believers to pursue?
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Ukorin
Guest
We have been given many direct and clear commands to fulfill in Scripture. We cannot even complete these commands in our own strength, but only by the Spirit.
With so much on our plate already, why add to it this duty to fulfill prophecy, which we were never commanded to pursue in Scripture; not directly or indirectly.
The events are directly connected, by why speed the coming of the Abomination, rather than just speeding the coming of our Lord through the fulfillment of the Great Commision?
It does not matter that speeding one speeds the other, what matters is what side you are on.
With so much on our plate already, why add to it this duty to fulfill prophecy, which we were never commanded to pursue in Scripture; not directly or indirectly.
The events are directly connected, by why speed the coming of the Abomination, rather than just speeding the coming of our Lord through the fulfillment of the Great Commision?
It does not matter that speeding one speeds the other, what matters is what side you are on.
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Ukorin
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The Word say that there will be "wars and rumors of wars" before the Tribulation,
but should Christians be trying to start these wars, and create these rumors of wars?
Certainly not!
Do we delight in the hearing of news of wars and rumors of wars?
Certainly not! (we do find assurance, but do not pleasure in it.)
Then why push the other prophecies? Why delight in these things?
Do we not trust God to be faithful to do as He promised?
Do we not have enough to delight in, in His working in our own lives?
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Who are you trying to reach, Ukorin?
You have seen both sides, and you have been lifted out.
Why place yourself back into the fray?
Are you here to preach, or learn?
There are far more edifying topics to discover.
Seek them out.
You have seen both sides, and you have been lifted out.
Why place yourself back into the fray?
Are you here to preach, or learn?
There are far more edifying topics to discover.
Seek them out.
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Kerry
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Doe's God lie? of course God will still accept His people Israel. I meant what do you think He has been doing. Get a grip. For almost two thousand years Israel didn't exist. They were killed by the millions by Germany. Hated by the KKK in America. Then in 1948 the united nations agreed to give them a country. They wanted to put it in South America but that failed and they reluctantly gave them Jerusalem but made Tel Aviv their Capital and Jerusalem. Because the RCC claims a third part of the city and Islam claims third part including rthe temple mount as the Dome of the Rock sits there and the jews were given a third part.
Then in 1968 the world accepted Israel as a nation and debated what their money should be called and was given the shekel the same thing it was called in the OT. All this with out one shot, God say's in the OT shall I make a nation in one day, He did that in 1948.
Then David, the king of Israel said "though prepares a table for me in the presence of mine enemies" what was he talking about, David destroyed his enemies. Look at Israel now as they blossom with Hamas rockets hitting them almost daily. Israel is God's people.
Then in 1968 the world accepted Israel as a nation and debated what their money should be called and was given the shekel the same thing it was called in the OT. All this with out one shot, God say's in the OT shall I make a nation in one day, He did that in 1948.
Then David, the king of Israel said "though prepares a table for me in the presence of mine enemies" what was he talking about, David destroyed his enemies. Look at Israel now as they blossom with Hamas rockets hitting them almost daily. Israel is God's people.
Because we get to go HOME just before it is built or finished, and our Citizenship is in Heaven! No man knows the day or the hour, but HE could call us out of our old dwelling place, Earth; to go to the Wedding of the Lamb. SOON and Very Soon!
Andrae Crouch *Soon And Very Soon* "Live" - YouTube
Because then the TRIUMPHANT Return of Jesus Christ and the beginning of HIS Thousand Year Kingdom will only be will seven years away. Are we not taught to pray THY KINGDOM COME.
To see PROPHECY fulfilled, especially the 70th Week of Daniel! And Evil done away with!
To ever be with HIM! Do you not long for that?
Titus 2:13 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
To reach this Glorious Day!
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the archangel’s voice, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then we who are still alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so we will always be with the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Therefore encourage one another with these words.
Or are you just one of the Scoffers?
2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”
Jeremiah 3:12 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say: 'Return, backsliding Israel,' says the LORD; 'I will not cause My anger to fall on you. For I am merciful,' says the LORD; ' I will not remain angry forever.
I have news for you Ukorin, HCJB short wave radio has been broadcasting the Gospel of Jesus Christ through translated Christian Radio programs in every National Language of the World for several years now. Time may be a LOT shorter than you think.
There were no shots fired in the creation of the State of Israel?
That's a little oversimplifying things. The sequence of events that led to the creation of the modern state of Israel began back in 1917 and possibly back to 1896 with Theodor Herzl. I don't think the modern state was created in a single day.
How do you figure this? What do you mean when you say they are "blossoming" while being rocketed by Hamas?
The fulfillment of the Great Commission happens first, then the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth, and since we were promised HE would never leave us, we go with HIM. WHERE and WHY? TO the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven in the New Dwelling Place Christ has built for His Bride. Antichrist CANNOT cannot come to Power until the Holy Spirit in us, is taken out of the way.
2 Thessalonians 2:7-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until He is out of the way,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and then the lawless one will be revealed. The Lord Jesus will destroy him with the breath of His mouth and will bring him to nothing with the brightness of His coming.
Sha’alu shalom Yerushalayim (pray for the peace of Jerusalem)