Israeli mother fined for refusing to have son circumcised.

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maxwel said:
Hey Bro,
This has nothing to do with theocracies.
Israel is a predominantly atheist country.
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A rabbinical court enforced a fine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is still considered an extension of the clergy.

Those in power do no necessarily hold the same views of the people they preside over. I would agree though that this took me by surprise.
 
I'm definitely no expert on rabbinical courts in Israel, or on exactly what kinds of authority they have.

I do know Israel has a SECULAR GOVERNMENT, and that most of the population is atheist.

It would be interesting to find out exactly how much authority rabbinical courts have,
and how exactly, under a secular government, they derive that authority.

Maybe someone can post some info.
 
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It was religious perceptions that got her into Israel. It is a bit narky of her to say she rejects its. She can join the rest of us heathens outside Israel if that is the case. ;)
 
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Rabbinical Courts - What Really Happened

In Israel, the rabbinical courts act as a private arbiter in certain civil matters, IF BOTH PARTIES AGREE to use the rabbinical court instead of the secular court.

Both parties have to agree, in writing, and then the rabbinical court conducts the arbitration. When the decision is reached, the secular courts are obligated to uphold the decision, just as courts in the U.S. will uphold arbitration decisions in civil matters.

Regarding the news article in question:
The woman was going through a divorce, and she and her husband agreed, voluntarily, to use a rabbinical court as the divorce arbiter.

During the divorce proceedings, which covered things like child custody, and child welfare, the issue of circumcision was raised. The rabbinical court dealt with it accordingly, as it was part of the child custody issues, and then they assessed a ruling and a fine. The secular court now has to uphold that arbitration decision, unless there is an appeal... and it is legal to appeal an arbitration ruling.


This was another hyped up non-story:
There was no "theocratic tyranny" foisted upon anyone.
Two people CHOSE to use a religious 3rd party arbiter, to handle their divorce proceedings.
The religious arbiter judged things from a religious point of view, just as both people expected.
End of story.

If the woman is genuinely upset, she can appeal.

This is really another non-story sensationalized by the media.
It happens all the time.

JimJimmers,
You had no way to know this was all hyped up, so good catch.
It's all been sensationalized, but it's still a very interesting story.
 
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maxwel said:
Rabbinical Courts - What Really Happened

In Israel, the rabbinical courts act as a private arbiter in certain civil matters, IF BOTH PARTIES AGREE to use the rabbinical court instead of the secular court.

Both parties have to agree, in writing, and then the rabbinical court conducts the arbitration. When the decision is reached, the secular courts are obligated to uphold the decision, just as courts in the U.S. will uphold arbitration decisions in civil matters.

Regarding the news article in question:
The woman was going through a divorce, and she and her husband agreed, voluntarily, to use a rabbinical court as the divorce arbiter.

During the divorce proceedings, which covered things like child custody, and child welfare, the issue of circumcision was raised. The rabbinical court dealt with it accordingly, as it was part of the child custody issues, and then they assessed a ruling and a fine. The secular court now has to uphold that arbitration decision, unless there is an appeal... and it is legal to appeal an arbitration ruling.


This was another hyped up non-story:
There was no "theocratic tyranny" foisted upon anyone.
Two people CHOSE to use a religious 3rd party arbiter, to handle their divorce proceedings.
The religious arbiter judged things from a religious point of view, just as both people expected.
End of story.

If the woman is genuinely upset, she can appeal.

This is really another non-story sensationalized by the media.
It happens all the time.

JimJimmers,
You had no way to know this was all hyped up, so good catch.
It's all been sensationalized, but it's still a very interesting story.
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So it is basically a small theocratic judicial body that people join voluntarily. Hardly a form of tyranny.
 
maxwel said:
JimJimmers,
You had no way to know this was all hyped up, so good catch.
It's all been sensationalized, but it's still a very interesting story.
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I say good catch to you, Maxwell. Thanks for digging up that important information. I am somewhat relieved that is was just media hype. I guess what this story really underscores is the problems of a media unconcerned with facts.
 
maxwel said:
Rabbinical Courts - What Really Happened

In Israel, the rabbinical courts act as a private arbiter in certain civil matters, IF BOTH PARTIES AGREE to use the rabbinical court instead of the secular court.

Both parties have to agree, in writing, and then the rabbinical court conducts the arbitration. When the decision is reached, the secular courts are obligated to uphold the decision, just as courts in the U.S. will uphold arbitration decisions in civil matters.

Regarding the news article in question:
The woman was going through a divorce, and she and her husband agreed, voluntarily, to use a rabbinical court as the divorce arbiter.

During the divorce proceedings, which covered things like child custody, and child welfare, the issue of circumcision was raised. The rabbinical court dealt with it accordingly, as it was part of the child custody issues, and then they assessed a ruling and a fine. The secular court now has to uphold that arbitration decision, unless there is an appeal... and it is legal to appeal an arbitration ruling.


This was another hyped up non-story:
There was no "theocratic tyranny" foisted upon anyone.
Two people CHOSE to use a religious 3rd party arbiter, to handle their divorce proceedings.
The religious arbiter judged things from a religious point of view, just as both people expected.
End of story.

If the woman is genuinely upset, she can appeal.

This is really another non-story sensationalized by the media.
It happens all the time.

JimJimmers,
You had no way to know this was all hyped up, so good catch.
It's all been sensationalized, but it's still a very interesting story.
Click to expand...

Good Job Maxwell. Another case solved, all in the life of the cylcops investigative extroidinaire.

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