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Beliw you openly state that a person that dies in denial of the Roman catholic sacraments, and that big clinching word (Requirement) attached to the sacraments.

Jesus Christ dosent give himself through the sacraments as savior, he gives salvation through confession with the mouth and belief in the heart.

In Love

Roman's 10:17KJV
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Roman 10:9-10KJV
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Not One Catholic Sacrament Below Is A Requirement For Salvation, Not One

Seven sacraments
  • Baptism.
  • Eucharist.
  • Confirmation.
  • Reconciliation.
  • Anointing of the sick.
  • Marriage.
  • Holy orders.

Quote Benadam: If they know the Catholic Church and the Sacraments are the means by which God has given them the gift of Himself as their savior and either leave or fail to enter the Church and die in that state their salvation will solely depend on their accepting God's Grace in the last moments of life.

If saying no to the requirements of love has been a life long habit .....it's a difficult habit to break in just moments of time.
Key words here

If they know the Catholic Church and the Sacraments are the means by which God has given them the gift of Himself.


Think about that.
 

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Key words here

If they know the Catholic Church and the Sacraments are the means by which God has given them the gift of Himself.


Think about that.
I read it, and posted it for review

My previous post was spot on, the Roman Catholic Sacraments play no part whatsoever in the transmission of Jesus Christ as savior, it's that simple.

In Love

Quote Benadam: the Sacraments are the means by which God has given them the gift of Himself as their savior
 
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I read it, and posted it for review

My previous post was spot on, the Roman Catholic Sacraments play no part whatsoever in the transmission of Jesus Christ as savior, it's that simple.

In Love

Quote Benadam: the Sacraments are the means by which God has given them the gift of Himself as their savior
Wouldn't you expect that from someone who believes their Church originates from the beginning?
Is it a problem if it's true? It should have no bearing on you if the truth belongs to you.
 
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previous post was spot on, the Roman Catholic Sacraments play no part whatsoever in the transmission of Jesus Christ as savior, it's that simple.
You do see that is an opinion my friend?
 

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Wouldn't you expect that from someone who believes their Church originates from the beginning?
Is it a problem if it's true? It should have no bearing on you if the truth belongs to you.
The Roman Catholic Church is a child of Roman Emperor Constantine and his (State Church),he donated the land that Vatican City now sits upon, and he built St Peter's Basilica

You can believe Roman Catholocism is the true church, Mormonism, Jehovahs Witnesses, and many more claim the same

In Love
 
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The Roman Catholic Church is a child of Roman Emperor Constantine and his (State Church),he donated the land that Vatican City now sits upon, and he built St Peter's Basilica

You can believe Roman Catholocism is the true church, Mormonism, Jehovahs Witnesses, and many more claim the same

In Love
what if a person said they were saved and believing on Jesus' finished work on Calvary but really believed that the Catholic Church and the Sacraments are established by Jesus and where Jesus wants to be received. Would that person be saved? Those other communities are the works of men we know.
 

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what if a person said they were saved and believing on Jesus' finished work on Calvary but really believed that the Catholic Church and the Sacraments are established by Jesus and where Jesus wants to be received. Would that person be saved?
That's the Lord's judgment call. Not ours, He knows the sincerity of our hearts better than we do. If we believe in the created like objects that are made like bread, wine, praying to so called saints, even if we are sincere and penitent we are sincerely mistaken. It is a serious mistake to believe in the created more than the Creator.
 

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what if a person said they were saved and believing on Jesus' finished work on Calvary but really believed that the Catholic Church and the Sacraments are established by Jesus and where Jesus wants to be received. Would that person be saved? Those other communities are the works of men we know.
I dont have an answer for your hypothetical question

One thing I do know,the Catholic sacraments have absolutely nothing to do with Jesus presenting himself as savior.
 

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what if a person said they were saved and believing on Jesus' finished work on Calvary but really believed that the Catholic Church and the Sacraments are established by Jesus and where Jesus wants to be received. Would that person be saved? Those other communities are the works of men we know.
Benadam, you dont stand alone, there're are thousands of persons that fit the description in you hypothetical question

The teachings in Catholicism isnt a means for obtaining salvation, but a means for control, from cradle to grave, a religion obtained through family inheritance in many cases.

If I told you that the sacraments were a means for Jesus to present himself as savior I would be lying

I have catholic fellow workers,we get along great, but the vast majority dont have a clue about biblical salvation, because Catholicism is based upon works (Sacraments), not grace through faith

Is Roman Catholicism the one true Apostolic Church On Earth,Where The Pope Is The Vicar Of Christ, Holding The Keys To The Gate Of The Kingdom?

Absolutely Not, Complete Deception For "Control"

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That's the Lord's judgment call. Not ours, He knows the sincerity of our hearts better than we do. If we believe in the created like objects that are made like bread, wine, praying to so called saints, even if we are sincere and penitent we are sincerely mistaken. It is a serious mistake to believe in the created more than the Creator.
Praying to objects? Nobody does that. I think the OT prophets cleared that up. I agree with you about sincerity if not who's mistaken. About believing in the created more than the creator. How do you know if that is really happening? How do you know if you have eneogh information to make that call?
 
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One thing I do know,the Catholic sacraments have absolutely nothing to do with Jesus presenting himself as savior.
I agree that you believe that but don't confuse that with knowing. Be careful of your words my friend. They betray your heart.
 

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I agree that you believe that but don't confuse that with knowing. Be careful of your words my friend. They betray your heart.
My words are knowing, they are true to scripture, my words need no care as you suggest, promoting false fear.

The sacraments of Roman Catholicism does not presents Jesus as savior,its that simple.

I dont dislike you as a person, however Catholicism is a cult in my opinion based upon works, leading its followers in circles of control, and not to the Cross of Calvary.

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Benadam, you dont stand alone, there're are thousands of persons that fit the description in you hypothetical question

The teachings in Catholicism isnt a means for obtaining salvation, but a means for control, from cradle to grave, a religion obtained through family inheritance in many cases.

If I told you that the sacraments were a means for Jesus to present himself as savior I would be lying

I have catholic fellow workers,we get along great, but the vast majority dont have a clue about biblical salvation, because Catholicism is based upon works (Sacraments), not grace through faith

Is Roman Catholicism the one true Apostolic Church On Earth,Where The Pope Is The Vicar Of Christ, Holding The Keys To The Gate Of The Kingdom?

Absolutely Not, Complete Deception For "Control"

In Love
You reject a false image. You don't know the Catholic Church. And if you can point out the Church that has guarded the teaching, handed it down inerrant from the beginning.........The bible teaches that it can be pointed out to this day. I would need an alternative because with Peter I ask......where would we go?
 

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You reject a false image. You don't know the Catholic Church. And if you can point out the Church that has guarded the teaching, handed it down inerrant from the beginning.........The bible teaches that it can be pointed out to this day. I would need an alternative because with Peter I ask......where would we go?
Was true Christianity handed down in succession by Roman Catholicism?

Take a look at the Popes and the Inquisition alone, evil from the pit of hell, the Iron Virgin, thumb screws, the rack, do they praise their god before or after the sessions of torture?

The Medici Dynasty alone, pure evil!

Pope John Paul, sheltered Bostons Cardinal Bernard Francuis Law from Extradition at Vatican City to the US, to face charges on 400+ cases of sexual abuse

Then the current Pope Francis, condones same sex unions, and hes a commie socialist from Argentina

True Christianity?
 

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Praying to objects? Nobody does that. I think the OT prophets cleared that up. I agree with you about sincerity if not who's mistaken. About believing in the created more than the creator. How do you know if that is really happening? How do you know if you have enough information to make that call?
I try not to judge other people. That's not my job. If I feel someone is a fraud and might deceive or harm others on spiritual matters I will try to get them to confess their faith. The word says no one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

I was a Catholic for years. Baptized, confessed, communed and confirmed. I also was an alter boy and went to cathodic school as well.
It's getting late. If you send me a PM I will respond. I'd rather keep this private. There a lot of anti catholic haters here. I take very little issue with catholic people. I do however rage against the Vatican due to their deceptive and deceitful ways. If I thought you were one of them I would be a lot more intolerant, harsh and impatient. Goodnight for now.
 

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I try not to judge other people. That's not my job. If I feel someone is a fraud and might deceive or harm others on spiritual matters I will try to get them to confess their faith. The word says no one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

I was a Catholic for years. Baptized, confessed, communed and confirmed. I also was an alter boy and went to cathodic school as well.
It's getting late. If you send me a PM I will respond. I'd rather keep this private. There a lot of anti catholic haters here. I take very little issue with catholic people. I do however rage against the Vatican due to their deceptive and deceitful ways. If I thought you were one of them I would be a lot more intolerant, harsh and impatient. Goodnight for now.
I'm not judging anyone, I simple exposed Roman Catholicism for what it is, no personal attacks
 
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I'm not judging anyone, I simple exposed Roman Catholicism for what it is, no personal attacks
Just an fyi, you must know Roman Catholicism to reveal it. Error is exposed by contrast in the light of truth. That hasn't happened. Well not to Catholic teaching anyway.
Truth doesn't need defending it defends it'self. Error is exposed by contrast in the light of truth. Express truth and error is exposed.
 

calibob

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Just an fyi, you must know Roman Catholicism to reveal it. Error is exposed by contrast in the light of truth. That hasn't happened. Well not to Catholic teaching anyway.
Truth doesn't need defending it defends it'self. Error is exposed by contrast in the light of truth. Express truth and error is exposed.
Oh, stop it he was talking to me because he thought I was talking to him. Actually, I was talking to you.
 

calibob

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And once again I was Catholic for my childhood and teenage years. I was composing a PM to send to you but someting went wrong and at least 2 hours worth of composition and research got deleted in a blink.