Jesus Christ was God manifest in the Flesh

[livingbygrace]

lol I knew there was a reason I liked you Red. its nice not to be the only one who sees this plot to deceive the world. i was getting tired of having a certain poster tell me I needed to seek medical help and medication. i know its not really funny but if i don't life i'd cry about it all. the enemy has strongholds in many people's minds and they like to exalt themselves against the knowledge of God, which is simply:

Well can I ask you. Do you believe a person has the right to demand a belief for Christianity and eternal life that is not in ther Bible?

And how can you know what drives me?

And as for a belief that Christ is soley the son of God being a plot to deceive the world I would find amusing if it was not so tragic.

I take it you go to a church where you regularly see signs, wonders and miracles which BIBLICALLY confirms the true message is being preached

I guess you must as you and your church must have a wisdom and knowledge greater than is written in scripture

JESUS IS THE GOD and He came to die for our transgression so that we might through His sacrifice become adopted children and live righteously through the guidance of the Holy Spirit who unveils the mysteries of life contained in the Holy Bible.


2 Corinthians 10:4-5 (New King James Version)

4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,


i'm not reading the rest of the posts after this one, i think i'd rather read my Bible. God's blessings to all God's people.

Answers above

 

[paulnsilas]

What manner of entity is Jesus Christ?

God is spirit, doesn't the Bible say that

angels are spirit messengers sent to help us, and Christ in the OT was refered to in places as the angel of the Lord

So wouldn't you say Christ is a spirit entity who came to earth in a human body?
Would you broadly disagree with that?

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PPS:
If so, was that an eternal pre-existence?

LBG:
I believe the Father existed before all else including the son, but in time as we know it the son has always existed and was with the Father from the begining as we would understand time
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PPS:
If not, when did the Word come into existence?

LBG:
I believe rthe Father is the one true God. He existed before all else. Please refer to my previous answer. How can I give you a date when He brought his son into preexistence before he came to earth or before the earth was formed?
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PPS:
Was Jesus created or uncreated?

LBG:
I believe the son was brought into existence by the Father before time began as we know it
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So, if i understand, you believe Jesus is a created entity (possibly an angel), who was created prior to the incarnation, correct?

He is not Deity. Is that right?

An internationally known Evangelist has prayed with me, confirmed I speak in tongues and told me much about my life though they had never met me before.

Since it seems important to mention the evangelist is internationally known, could you tell us who he is please?

Thank You.

 

[paulnsilas]

lol I knew there was a reason I liked you Red.

Flattering Red to cover your own heresies can not help you Ananda.

Tossed about to and fro...

its nice not to be the only one who sees this plot to deceive the world.

You are so important!

Lucky for you there's one other human being on earth who sees the plot to deceive the world.

i was getting tired of having a certain poster tell me I needed to seek medical help and medication. i know its not really funny but if i don't life i'd cry about it all. the enemy has strongholds in many people's minds and they like to exalt themselves against the knowledge of God, which is simply:

JESUS IS THE GOD and He came to die for our transgression so that we might through His sacrifice become adopted children and live righteously through the guidance of the Holy Spirit who unveils the mysteries of life contained in the Holy Bible.

Well!
Now you have a new doctrinal crusade! New strongholds to pull down. Hopefully everybody will forget about the little matter of claiming to be a prophetess with supernatural "giftings"....

Perhaps Red should be careful he's not being set-up in another of your STING OPERATIONS.

i'm not reading the rest of the posts after this one

Sure thing.

 

[paulnsilas]

lol I knew there was a reason I liked you Red. its nice not to be the only one who sees this plot to deceive the world.

i was getting tired of having a certain poster tell me I needed to seek medical help and medication. i know its not really funny but if i don't life i'd cry about it all. the enemy has strongholds in many people's minds and they like to exalt themselves against the knowledge of God, which is simply:

JESUS IS THE GOD and He came to die for our transgression so that we might through His sacrifice become adopted children and live righteously through the guidance of the Holy Spirit who unveils the mysteries of life contained in the Holy Bible.

UM....you didn't mention the little matter of the Denial of the Deity of Christ as the PLOT TO DECEIVE THE WORLD:

Ok let me get this out of the way. I've heard the warnings, I know its dangerous, but I think everyone needs to learn about it and talk about it.

Offensive game plan of the Devil #1: Oblivion and bliss, Pride and self righteousness

Get people to believe evil does not exist, the spirit world is the imagination of over active minds and not relevant to everyone. Make sure their defenses are low and they are unprepared or unaware of the poison my minions.

Offensive game plan #2:Emotion: Hopelessness and Depression

If people become aware of the spirit world get them to worship forces of Darkness by giving them the powers that they do not possess. Make me like God in their minds and make them think that darkness is more powerful than Light, the Dark knows all, sees all, and controls all things in the world. Have them bow down before the idols of the world. Lead them astray. Rain down threats of destruction to try and have them hide their light or completely put it out and lose faith in God's justice and ultimate goodness. Make them doubt God. Destroy the followers of Light before they can learn to cast out demons, heal the sick and lead people back to God. Get followers of Darkness to become like madden swine and kill and destroy and slaughter them. Make them feel powerless and cloud their minds so they don't even think to use the weapons God has given them to defeat darkness. Make them forget the verse that "the spirit that resides in them is greater then the one that resides in the world." make them feel unworthy to take up the power and engage in battle to win the souls of God's children from the forces of darkness.

Offensive game plan #3: Emotion: superiority and pride, hardening of the heart, self righteousness

Make them harden their hearts to the suffering of others, so they do not try and save them and lead them to God. Ok they have the cure, now to contain the information so that Darkness still reigns in this world. Keep the workers of light from even wanting to help others. Make them judgmental and feel superior. Boost up their pride so that they are made to feel super holy. Keep them too busy doing the rituals and routines they forget about saving the people and actually building a meaningful in depth relationship.

that is the devil's game plan does anyone know what God's counter Battle plan is? (hint its in the Bible)

Here is my challenge: help me gather stories and testimonies of demonic warfare and weapons used to defeat them in the world.

God has given me the gift to physically see and hear demons and angels converse in the spirit realm. I am looking for others who have been given that ability too. We need to stand strong and unite to fight the forces of darkness!

And to the best of my knowledge Red hasn't made these other claims about"The Plot".
Oh well. Maybe this is another EXPERIMENT.

 

[AnandaHya]

paulnsilas and livingbygrace: i have no clue what you both are talking about.

first I don't think God works in "supernatural signs and wonders and miracles"

I believe God created the world and any He does is NATURAL and all else is delusions and deceptions brought on my the Enemy.

Paulnsilas you can believe what ever you want of me, you don't have a clue about who I am and will not even accept me as one of God's children so way do you bother talking to me? I find you judgemental, intolerant and just plain mean and vicious.

you are full of knowledge of useless doctrines that most can spot as false a mile away and claim that I believe in them and are so stuck in the rut of your own self righteousness that you do not perceive the world very clearly.

I happen to be in conversation with Red and quite frankly I don't need him to cover anything for me for I have JESUS as my Intercessor.

Therefore, just because I do not bow down to your "superior" knowledge I am a heretic?

All the knowledge in the world or whole universe is useless without love and you are VERY LACKING when it comes to love compassion or understanding or forgiveness or mercy to anyone who does not hold the same world view or follow your doctrines and traditions.

It saddens my heart because you have a lot of intelligence and head knowledge but where is your heart or compassion. your post are full of bitterness and undeserved hatred towards me and I will pray that God send you His grace so that you may repent and go back to Him and learn more of HIS LOVE and the meaning of GRACE and FORGIVENESS.

Living by grace i did not realize the quote was directed to you. like I told paulnsilas I was talking to Red. I have no clue what drives you or how anything I said even relates to you.

 

[livingbygrace]

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PPS:
If so, was that an eternal pre-existence?

LBG:
I believe the Father existed before all else including the son, but in time as we know it the son has always existed and was with the Father from the begining as we would understand time
..................................

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PPS:
If not, when did the Word come into existence?

LBG:
I believe rthe Father is the one true God. He existed before all else. Please refer to my previous answer. How can I give you a date when He brought his son into preexistence before he came to earth or before the earth was formed?
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PPS:
Was Jesus created or uncreated?

LBG:
I believe the son was brought into existence by the Father before time began as we know it
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So, if i understand, you believe Jesus is a created entity (possibly an angel), who was created prior to the incarnation, correct?

I will answer this, but we are getting into the realms of what for our finite minds I believe is unfathomable

I believe no-one could preexist the Father who I believe to be the one true God. Therefore in the spiritual realm everything/entity came into being at the Father's command if you like, and this would include his son
Someone had to come first if you like, Father or son? It would have to be the Father.
But as far asswe understand time, the son has always existed and been with the Father. But you are getting me here into thinking about what I have hardly ever bothered to think much about.
I prefer just to debate plain scripture! So go easy on me will ya with your reply!

Can I cheat a litlle here and ask what you make of these scriptures?

In my vision at night I looked and there before me was one like a son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven
He approached the ancient of days and was led into his prescence
He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples nations and men of every language worshipped him
His dominion is an everlastying dominion that will not pass away and his kingdom is one thaty will never be destroyed
Daniel 7:13&14


So would you agree that Christ is being spoken of here as the son of man?
And if it is Christ being refered to, if you are honest, how would these verses fit into your thinking concerning the son?

He is led into the Fathers prescence and given authority, glory and sovereign power, therefore he did not have these before he was led into the Fathers prescence, would you agree?

Your throne O God will last forever and ever and righteousness will be a sceptre of your kingdom
You have loved righteousness and hjated wickedness
Therefore GOD, YOUR GOD HAS SET YOU ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS AND ANNOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF JOY

Heb 1:8&9

Now, I am going to ask you to do something which is very difficult to do. Can you just look at those verses and put to one side your beliefs for a minute concerning who Christ is, just concentrate on those verses

And let me ask you a question.
In the Hebrews quote, the Father SET HIS SON ABOVE HIS COMPANIONS, so, who had Christ been before he was SET ABOVE his companions?
And does the quote from Daniel suggest the same as the quote from Hebrews?

Like I say I am answering and not ducking your questions, I am asking you to concentrate on the verses I have quoted and try if possible to put to one side your preconceived ideas when you do so.


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When you have answered these questions I will answer your other two

 

[AnandaHya]

UM....you didn't mention the little matter of the Denial of the Deity of Christ as the PLOT TO DECEIVE THE WORLD:



And to the best of my knowledge Red hasn't made these other claims about"The Plot".
Oh well. Maybe this is another EXPERIMENT.

maybe not in that post paulnsilas but i'm sure i've posted it in the speaking to muslim thread.

you have a problem with the above statement?

why does it matter what red says? He is not God I don't worship him, I respect him.

what is your issue with me? why do you feel so threaten you must nitpick everything?

you haven't experienced it so it must be a lie?

you haven't a clue how blessed you are that God has protected you from what I am talking about. I will allow you to persist in your ignorance, but ask that if you want ot pick on me about those words, do it on that thread and not on Red's I'm sure he'd appreciate that courtesy. though manners and human decency seem to be severely lacking in your quiver of words.

 

[paulnsilas]

When you have answered these questions I will answer your other two

Thanks.
I'm not much into continuing with it.

 

[paulnsilas]

what is your issue with me?

I've already said it numerous times.
You've made false claims and pretended jesus was speaking through you.
Now i see you trying to distance yourself from it, without any real sign of repentence for it.
That's clear, i hope?

 

[AnandaHya]

I've already said it numerous times.
You've made false claims and pretended jesus was speaking through you.
Now i see you trying to distance yourself from it, without any real sign of repentence for it.
That's clear, i hope?

and you cut out large sections of the bible and are self righteous, don't believe in spiritual gifts and leave the door wide open for things that you don't even try or desire to begin to understand or imagine, because you believe the lie that spiritual warfare is not your concern ignoring the verses in the bible that talks about PUTTING on the ARMOR OF GOD. now if we did not have to fight then why would we need armor?. I do not distance myself from anything except the lies you twist my words to be.

I know what I stated and i know what God tells me. YOU don't have a clue and you are still deceived by the lies that the forces of darkness have you bound by: do you believe in demons?

if you believe in demons why do you not believe in angels?

what purpose where they in the Bible?

Does God stop communicating with the world because Paulnsilas says so?

Does God not do things as HE sees fit because Paulnsilas does not believe it possible?

I am not anything more than a child of God and all should have an intimate relationship with God.

How does God guide your life? Why do you think I have to be YOU and do things YOUR way?

God made every person unique and gave us gifts and gave us a plan and path for each of us to live and follow. Is everyone to be a teacher, minister? who would grow the food? who would do the thousands of other jobs and professions that make the world run? God gave us those talents and abilities to fulfill a niche that HE created.

you limit God's power with your ideas and traditions of men. I follow the teachings found in the BIBLE, and you make no sense and have no compassion.

1 Corinthians 13:3-9 (New King James Version)

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part


there is still knowledge and there is still prophecy and tongues because they have not vanished, ceased or failed. We have the prophecy of Revelations for example, we have knowledge of the Bible, but notice it is still IN PART because we have not known or seen JESUS as HE SEES US.

you would like to ignore that so it will fit into your man made traditions and you have issues with me for my life and my testimony speaks against your comfortable model.

 

[paulnsilas]

and you cut out large sections of the bible and are self righteous, don't believe in spiritual gifts

Two of the standard "isms" these folks pull out of their quivers.

ANSWER #1: No, I don't. I read every word the REAL Apostles wrote, and can understand what the REAL prophets said....it's written down. In my Bible. I understand what they said. I don't need a prophetess today, or someone claiming the "gifting" of "discerning of spirits" while they are receiving visits from them and dreaming and fussing over them constantly.

ANSWER #2: Yes, I do. They are recorded as wonderfully miraculous events my God performed during the building of the new covenant church in the Apostolic era.

the stuff you believe in has always been considered heresy by the Church, and false prophets have been cast out and their names recorded.

But we are to believe the same Paul who wrote no doxology to the church at Galatia but launched into calling them FOOLISH; and the same paul who RECORDED his wish that the judaizers would just castrate themseleves and be done with it.....suddenly had a Hallmark moment when he penned the Love chapter in Corinthians.

When in fact that chapter describes how sweet and wonderful it is to have true, mature, rational, functioning Christian fewllowship. Paul wasn't including shaman in that.

and leave the door wide open for things that you don't even try or desire to begin to understand or imagine, because you believe the lie that spiritual warfare is not your concern ignoring the verses in the bible that talks about PUTTING on the ARMOR OF GOD. now if we did not have to fight then why would we need armor?

You don't understand that either.
You think it's about crocodiles and a demon behind every can of soup.

I know what I stated and i know what God tells me. YOU don't have a clue and you are still deceived by the lies that the forces of darkness have you bound by: do you believe in demons?

if you believe in demons why do you not believe in angels?

I don't worry about that stuff. My life is quiet peaceful.
I most certainly don't entertain them.
And i certainly don't run around telling unsaved poor sinners or people i don't even know they're possessed or some such....

Does God stop communicating with the world because Paulnsilas says so?

Ananada doesn't have 2 way convos with God all day long about what color marker to use, or what kind of trap to lay for someone on the internet.
Neither does she channel jesus.

God made every person unique and gave us gifts and gave us a plan and path for each of us to live and follow. Is everyone to be a teacher, minister? who would grow the food? who would do the thousands of other jobs and professions that make the world run? God gave us those talents and abilities to fulfill a niche that HE created.

What does anyof that have to do with pretending the Apostolic gifts are normative today?

Oh ya! all that other stuff is ordinary life. not very exciting or prestigious.

you limit God's power with your ideas and traditions of men.

WOW! I can limit God's Power? I must be more powerful than God!
No real Christian talks like that you know....all that super-spiritual lingo. It's FAKE.

I follow the teachings found in the BIBLE, and you make no sense and have no compassion..

I don't have much tolerance for false prophets and blasphemers. That's true enough.
Lots of compassion for regular sinners and impressionable people who get hurt by this charismatic chaos.

1 Corinthians 13:3-9 (New King James Version)

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part

There's that Hallmark moment again: it isn't talking about tolerating blasphemy and false doctrine and spiritism.

there is still knowledge and there is still prophecy and tongues because they have not vanished, ceased or failed. We have the prophecy of Revelations for example, we have knowledge of the Bible, but notice it is still IN PART because we have not known or seen JESUS as HE SEES US.

Tell yourself that all you want to.
The Apostles and prophets laid the foundation: their gifts and offices have CEASED.

But that's soooooooo disappointing (and embarassing).

you would like to ignore that so it will fit into your man made traditions and you have issues with me for my life and my testimony speaks against your comfortable model.

SIGH.
You'd think a science teacher could do a little research and homework when it comes to the Lord's Word and what's really true.

I have no issues whatsoever with your life. Don't know much about it and don't need to: it's what you say about the Lord and His Word i see.

heresy and blasphemy.

But you can repent you know. He might have mercy.

 

[AnandaHya]

Romans 12:3-14 (New King James Version)

Serve God with Spiritual Gifts
3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; 7 or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; 8 he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.

Behave Like a Christian
9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. 10 Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another; 11 not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; 12 rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer; 13 distributing to the needs of the saints, given to hospitality.
14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.

According to our measure of faith and grace God has given all His children spiritual gifts, I is evident through your words and your post you have the spiritual gift of knowledge and I will pray that He gives you wisdom and understanding of things beyond what you narrow mindedly perceive is reality.

You're favorite past time seems to be to twist words to fit whatever perverted vision you feel like spouting off today, but I am not offended in that you don't twist my words alone but everyone else's even God's Holy Bible.

the common argument from cessation is that the gift of tongues was to convince the Jews, but they are mistaken. Tongues are a spoken language in the world to spread the Gospel to all corners of the world and tell them about Jesus. the FAKE speaking in tongues you seem to think I believe (which I do NOT) is nothing more than play acting or worse. True speaking in tongues still happen to missionaries in distant countries who do not know the language but will start speaking it fluently to the masses and thus they will believe in the message: Jesus died for your sin on the Cross of calvary and Rose again, if you but believe and call upon Him He will send you His Holy Spirit to live inside your heart.

When you wake up in the morning, do you pray and ask God what you should do with your day?

When you encounter a problem do you pray or do you lean on your own understanding?

I do NOT run around telling people they are demon possessed (or hypocrites as you seem to enjoy doing.)

I pray to God and He casts them out and then I sit with the person and LISTEN. what a novel concept, perhaps you should try it sometime.

you might learn how the forces of darkness attacks every day people, you might hear about how their husband beats them, how their mom is on drugs, how they are pregnant and their boyfriend has abandoned them.

then I give them scripture and reassure that God loves them, and cares about their troubles and encourage them to pray to Him.

I don't see demons around every soup corner.

I see darkness crushing the hopes and dreams of every day people who most are to self righteous and busy telling me that I need medication and be checked into mental insitution to pay attention to.

I hear them crying inside even though they smile and the rest of the world accepts that fake mask.

I simply take the time to LISTEN to their story, which you have obviously already stated that you do not care to hear.

Judge me if you like, but look inside your own heart if you wish to see a hyprocrite and someone who twists scripture so she doesn't have to do anything but be a thorn in my side. I will pray for you, "But you can repent you know. He might have mercy"

or you can stay in your "peaceful life" and continue to ignore the weeping of the people who suffer around you.

 

[wakeup]

1Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

How can so many that say they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of sins, but do not believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh? There are those right here on this site that believe so. How can any person believe in the Son of God yet not believe that the Son was God in the flesh? It is contrary to the truth of scripture and to the Holy Spirit to believe that Jesus Christ was not God in the flesh (1Tim 3:16)?

When we worship and magnify Christ we are worshipping God in spirit and truth. When we love God, we love the Father and the Son because they are one and our love is according to the truth. The Son of God is equal to the Father but the Jews did not want to believe so. Many were offended, even some of the disciples, when Christ stated that they must eat His flesh and drink His blood or they would have no life in them (Jn 6:54-71).

Did not God come from heaven as the bread of life? When Christ claimed to be the Son of God they considered that to be blasphemy because He made Himself equal with God . Are we going to be led astray and believe that Jesus Christ through the incarnation, when God to on human form through the flesh, was not God in the flesh but only the Son of God who was inferior and not equal with God? Is this where we are being lead by the spirit of antichrist in these last days?

if you say that God died; you will be guilthy of bringing the everlsting God down to being mortal. for the creature can not kill the creator ever. can the clay say to the potter i have killed you. can yhwh suffer death and burried for 3days? can yhwh cry like a baby,for fear of death? can yhwh receive glory? who is the giver?
what sort of glory can yhwh receive? didnt he have this glory from everlasting?
is there any greater than yhwh? did the scripture say; God was made flesh?
did john 3:16. read that god so loved the world that he gave himself?
didnt jesus say to mary, touch me not for i am not yet ascended unto my father?
who is sitting on the right hand of God?

''wakeup''.

 

[wakeup]

GOD BLESS YOU RED33 HE WAS NONE OTHER BUT GOD, GOD BLESS YOUR HEART. ST JOHN 1V1

you worship a God that can die; i worship God that is immortal.there is a big difference.

 

[AnandaHya]

Matthew 25:31-46 (New King James Version)

The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations


31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy[a] angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

 

[wakeup]

Mark 2:5-11—“When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?... [Jesus] said unto them, But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house”

The scribes’ theology was correct: “Who can forgive sins but God only?” Jesus didn’t disagree with their conclusion; rather, through the miraculous healing He proved that He in fact was God and had the authority to forgive sins. I think this should clear it up for you, lbg

you belong to one of those scribes,calling jesus god, when Jesus himself said he is the son of God. what is easier; to say your sins are forgiven, or to heal the sick, and raise the dead? Jesussaid i am the son of God : but you say no,you are God, who is telling the truth here. peter said; you are the mesiah the son of God.and jesus said; God has told you this peter. but you say no,no you are God.what would jesus have answered you? i think he would have said;get behind me.

 

[wakeup]

First: it isn’t my Septuagint, second.. the most quotes are coming from the Septuagint, that is used in the OT.. Well, the KJV is a translation just as the Leeser ( Jewish translation OT) the Statenvertaling (Dutch) Naardense Vertaling (Dutch) the Lutheran (English, German, Dutch). And of course we can always look at the orginal text.. In Hebrew and Greek.. if you only are able to use your KJ or NIV, don’t accuse me of unable to debate.



yet to us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we in Him, and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things, and we by Him.
All hemin heis theos ho pater ex hou ta panta kai hemeis eis auto kai heis kurius iesous christos die hou ta panta kai hemeis die auto.


Soo what is Paul telling: one God, heis theos, ho pater and one Lord heis kurious iesous christos So if that is true.. it isn’t possible that there are two Gods and two Lords.. I hope you agree with me. Because the part of the sentence is the same.. If Paul made a different between God of Kurios.. than we got some problem.. Because the NT said: that Father is the Lord.
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Than this sentence is impossible: Luc 1:32 He shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His father David,


Why?? Because there is one Lord said Paul remember!!! Ohh and if you want to say… well when you read, you can read there is only one Lord Jesus Christ, that is written in 1Cor 8:6.. So there isn’t a problem that the God is kurios is too.. than it isn’t a problem that Jesus Christ is God too..
Well it is allowed to laugh. Because you made really funny moves to proof..

Yes.. magic.. So you agree that the Word is Christ? Don’t play magic and read what there is written: The WORD WAS GOD.. and that all was in the beginning with God. AND THE WORD BECAME FLESH. When you accuse people that they have to read the Scripture you have to do it too.



What is your plan saved? You know that I don’t denie that.. are you going to try to made funny moves again? Where did I say the Christ isn’t the Word.. don’t do magic again doesn’t work here.



Yes nobody seen God.. Isaiah didn’t and Ezekiel didn’t.. Jesus didn’t. Well in your only blind mind it is contradiction..

Put the magic away and read it again..

Yes.. a lie.. from who?? Satan.. they know good and evil, but they were equal. Tell me is satan equal? No? You fall in the same trap as A&E..



I go back to the orginal translation.. et elohim(plural form from eloah)


And I will go to vs 26 And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

We can see here.. God is plural..

Of course.. when you are doing some magic with verses to proof you self. Using eiseges and accuse ther.

can dutch41 please anwer this simple question honestly please.
who is in charge; you or your word?
are you in charge of your word, or is your word in charge of you?

''wakeup''.

 

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Amen!! I do believe that Jesus was God but not in the sense of the Trinitarians. Jesus came from God & when he over came the world God granted him all his authority & the Holy Spirit. Hard for me to put what's in my mind to print. Jesus had to go back to the Father first to be able to send the Comforter back to man WHY? I think it was at this point that the Father anointed him King of Kings & gave him all authority over the earth.

a big amen to that: the word can never be in charge of God, God will always be in charge of his word. just like us; we will be always in charge of our word, our word can never take control. agree?

''wakeup''.

 

[wakeup]

Funny that you said that I read it so wrongly.. Because like I let you read earlier.. that is what is written.. But I will help you again..



8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts (who is speaking here? YHWH): "After the glory hath He (=YHWH) sent me (=YHWH)unto the nations which despoiled you, for he (=YHWH) that toucheth you toucheth the apple of His (=YHWH)eye.9 For behold, I (=YHWH) will shake Mine(=YHWH) hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants. And ye shall know that the LORD of hosts (the one who speaking now or called YHWH)hath sent me(= YHWH).10 "Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion; for lo, I (=YHWH) come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee," saith the LORD =(YHWH).
Noo, I don’t think you want to see it..




I think that your key word is subject, translated in Greek with hupo’tasso, The same word is used in for example Lc 2:51.. And He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them. But His mother kept all these things in her heart.
Tell me, is the Marian and Joseph greater in position or in nature as Jesus.. Or shall we read 1Cor 14:34Let your women keep silence in the churches, for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience (hupo’tasso), as also saith the law.

Tell me again, is a woman a lower creation as a man? Can you say that? Can you say that a woman isn't a human?

was adam made for eve? was adam made for eves companion? was adam created out of eve? did Jesus choose 12 women? are men to stay silent in the church? the 24 elders in heaven are they all women? isnt Gods church pictured as his woman? is his church higher than God? if you disagree, you complain to God.

''wakeup''.

 

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Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

you have to believe Jesus and who He is... The Word made flesh.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

There is no doubt that Jesus claimed deity and accepted worship. The Pharisees wanted to stone Him because He made these claims..

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

a direct quotation from Exodus 3:14

Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

they knew exactly what Jesus was claiming what was their reaction?

Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

they had strict laws back then you couldnt just stone a person for any ol percieved slight or crazyness. you couldnt just start stoning some crazy guy for saying outrageous things..they wanted to stone Him because in their eyes He was blaspheming., claiming to be God by using His name.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

too deny Christs deity is to agree with those who wanted to stone Him.

answer this who raised Jesus from the dead? was it God who raised Him? if you answer Yes you are correct God did raise Jesus from the dead. In fact the Father raised Jesus, Jesus raised Himself and the Holy Spirit raised Him.





the Father raised Jesus--

1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Jesus raised Himself---

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

The Holy Spirit raised Jesus--

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

in mathmatical terms the Father Son Holy Spirit are as follows--- 1x1x1=1

there is nothing wrong in using the term trinity of person to describe the revealed nature of God. nothing wrong with using the word "person' to describe the Godhead..They each can speak, love, hate say "me" "yours' "mine" each of the persons in the trinity demonstrate these qualities...they each can be grieved and lied too..