So we kinda skipped rite over this. You said the Son of God came into being when the Word became flesh. So according to this Jesus is a created "being". Is that what you are saying here?
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So we kinda skipped rite over this. You said the Son of God came into being when the Word became flesh. So according to this Jesus is a created "being". Is that what you are saying here?
You are correct. This is only a discussion not meant to judge anyone. Judging is not our job
John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Galatians 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus
i can say,before my daughter i am
Jesus says before Abraham was, he was there,
it does not say hes The Great I Am does it.
just my take on it
Jesus was created in the womb of Mary just like each one of us are. He is the beginning of God's new creation.
Revelation 3:14 “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, ‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God.
Remember, there are two creations. The Genesis creation and the new creation which the Bible defines as the Kingdom of God.
In times past God did not speak through His Son. It wasn't until these last days that His Son came into existence.
Hebrews 1:1-2 Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets. And now in these last days has spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds.
When people read the above verse they say God created the Genesis account through Jesus because it says, "Through whom He made the words". That word, (world), is the word, (age), and it's referring to the age or world to come, not the Genesis creation. We know this because it's confirmed a couple of verses later.
Hebrews 2:5 God did not choose angels to be the rulers of the new world that was coming, which is what we have been talking about.
The age or world to come is the Kingdom of God. This is God's great promise and the new creation, which started with Jesus at His birth. This new creation is spoken of all throughout the Bible.
Matthew 12:32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Mark 10:30 who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time—houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions—and in the age to come, eternal life.
Hebrews 6:5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come.
Psalm 2
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? [SUP]2 [/SUP]The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? [SUP]2 [/SUP]The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Let me ask you something? Was Jesus a man anointed of God? Was Jesus a man who God approved of and Who God did many miracles through? Did this flesh and blood man exist as a flesh and blood man prior to His birth?
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
Whatever term you want to use for how the flesh and blood man came into existence I will probably have no problem with because who can really define the miraculous work of God in human terms.
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Acts 20:28
" Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. "
This scriptures shows that Jesus and God are one. It says God purchased with His own blood. Who was sacrificed, it was Jesus Christ.
" Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. "
This scriptures shows that Jesus and God are one. It says God purchased with His own blood. Who was sacrificed, it was Jesus Christ.
The Jews always misunderstood what Jesus was saying. We take their misunderstanding and use it to build our doctrines when we should focus on what Jesus was really saying. Jesus didn't say He existed before Abraham, He said Abraham saw His day (by faith) and believed. The the Jews, who misunderstood Jesus, said, "You are not even 50 years old how can you say you saw Abraham?". Jesus then corrects them but we always miss that part and focus on the Jew's reply. Read it again more carefully.
Jesus is his son. Your own son or daughter are of your own blood. They are a part of you.
- Acts 20:28 Or with the blood of his Own
Sometimes translations are worded to fit a particular belief and can be misleading.
Acts 20:28 So keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock which the Holy Spirit has placed in your care. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he made his own through the blood of his Son.
Jesus is God's Son so you could say God used His own blood to save the world but we know the Father Himself is Spirit and has no blood.
Don't you hate the details of life that pull us away from fellowship?
I wish I had fellowship in my local area but alas not many believe as I do. Those that do not understand my beliefs tend to be angry or persecute. I pray that one day we all fellowship together with God and his Son.
