You have no idea how much I love HIS WORD in John 8
thats Great friend i Love His word also.
You have no idea how much I love HIS WORD in John 8
its what certain folks do when you are clear on scripture, its strange but " that makes your belief unbiblical" to some here in the bdf. its because of too many studies into what an author said the bible means. and Not enough study of the gospel and prayer to God for Understanding. its like some think we need a mediator, to explain what scripture means, but really the Holy spirit authored it, and is promised to those Who put faith In Gods Son. and He also tells us to ask and receive. seems simple enough.
it makes people defensive when the bible doesnt say what they were told it says.
Fixing my prior post with regards to John 8
Yes...It is tragic that these men didn't want THE SON to set them free
Rather, They were offended that "this man" could even suggest that HE could free anyone
which is why they said:
"We are not a slave to any man...Our father is Abraham"
showing they did not believe HIS TESTIMONY that HE IS THE SON of GOD
I've noticed. It's as if the HS was never said to be sent.. A lot of what I see argued on here wouldn't be
So what's your point notfollowingjesus? I proved from the Bible that Jesus Christ is God Almighty so how about addressing what I posted to you? Tell me where I'm wrong?
And another thing, you said this: "Genesis 22:18 "And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice." Can you please tell me why Abraham obeyed the angel of the Lord's voice in Genesis 22? Read verses 11-19 of Genesis 22 and pay special attention to vs 16. This ought to be good especially in light of the fact that you deny that Jesus Christ is God.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
yeah im suprised also just seeing the reaction to the simple and obviously true statement " Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" but hopefully the seeds will take root and later will cause others to go bring Glory to the Son of God.
john 17:Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
God bless you my friend, and Keep you in all things Jesus Christ !!
So what's your point notfollowingjesus? I proved from the Bible that Jesus Christ is God Almighty so how about addressing what I posted to you? Tell me where I'm wrong?
And another thing, you said this: "Genesis 22:18 "And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice." Can you please tell me why Abraham obeyed the angel of the Lord's voice in Genesis 22? Read verses 11-19 of Genesis 22 and pay special attention to vs 16. This ought to be good especially in light of the fact that you deny that Jesus Christ is God.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Please explain how it is Jesus Christ is NOT God then?
"Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God"
Please explain how it is Jesus Christ is NOT God then?
"Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God"
You and I both know this and accept it.you guys, this has already been to court.
He was put on trial, condemned and crucified exactly for claiming to be equal to God.
"John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, "I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM." Again, in response, the Jews take up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus (John 8:59). Why would the Jews want to stone Jesus if He hadn’t said something they believed to be blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God? "
The answer to your question
john 5:18 "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
the same reason in your example, but you dont see it because you are plucking one verse, which is what the inbelieving jews though, and Not what Jesus actually was saying
John 10:33-33-36 "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (<< your looking at this and omitting this >>>)34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
the issue with understanding many display here is trying to let your mind define things based on one verse rather than seeing whats being said. to the Jews to make the claim " I am the Son of God" was blasphemous. its the very reason Jesus was crucifed because He said I am Gods Son.
mark 14:6-65 "But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? 64Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death. 65And some began to spit on him, and to cover his face, and to buffet him, and to say unto him, Prophesy: and the servants did strike him with the palms of their hands.
doesnt it strike you as strange How I am holding to " Jesus is the Son of God, and you guys are all accusing me of not getting it and blasphemy, and denial of who Jesus is? sort of resembles How the jews received jesus claim to be " The Son of God" but maybe thats just unbiblical ? because its written in the Bible and possibly offends your thinking that Jesus is the Christ and Son of God?
seems that phrase encites certain folks to " round up the posse, grab the torches and nooses, saddle the horses" Kind of Like the Jews who rejected His claim to be Gods Son Gathered up to condemn Him for saying such a thing. until you can accept " Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God" and not need to argue that fact, it seems like to me anyways, and im not your Judge, that you may need to re assess your conviction that God doesnt Have a Son that He sent into the World to save mankind. just based on this scripture
john 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
doesnt that Kind of at least make you consider " God has an only begotten Son, that He sent to save the World ? and also that its pretty important to accept it being that the person who refuses that truth is already condemned? because they do not believe the name of Gods only begotten Son?
im not really understanding where you guys find offense in such straight forward clear in context scriptures and end up thinking its not biblical. If you look in your Bible, i bet it says the same thing.
You and I both know this and accept it.
And we know that not only did He claim equality with God, but He IS God.
The OP does not accept this.
You say you can not understand why people are offended at (certain) scriptures, but really we can know because the answer is in scripture 1Cor 2v14 !
It's not something we like to say of people - so we continue to reason with them taking their unjust accusations even as Jesus did ! But after a while they may be best left to God - only HE can open their eyes and ears !!!
i reckon there must be an alternative definition of "the fullness of deity" that dwelt in Him that means "not quite the fullness" or "not exactly deity" ???
people look for some definitive statement "I Am God" ((apparently not believing John 8:24 is actually exctly that)) but flesh & blood didn't reveal it to Peter, and He taught in parables for a reason.
"without controversy, great indeed is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh" -- it's not called a "great mystery" for nothing. this thread could go on for another 3,000 pages and we wouldn't even scratch the surface of the truth of who He is.
the Son and the Father are One, and there is no other God
You and I both know this and accept it.
And we know that not only did He claim equality with God, but He IS God.
The OP does not accept this.
From scripture can be seen that God has a 'working ORDER in place from the top down with Christ definitely listed as the second Being 1Cor 11v3.
Why would scripture show this if Jesus HIMself was GOD ?
What Jesus shares with His father is the SPIRIT/MIND Joh 10v30 - not the Body/Being/Person (for want of a better word seeing God IS Spirit).
Jesus never claimed to be His Father---but to have His Fathers CHaracteristics/Tendencies/Traits. His Father could be seen in Him through that divine spiritual nature Joh 14v9. And this is the sme nature or Spirit we also can attain to/aim for/be converted to Eph 4v23 ---yet we will still be individually the same person/the same recognizable body. To have the Spirit of Christ does not mean we will be Christ Himself, nor will Jesus ever be His Own Father because of having His Spirit.
So when people say 'Jesus is God' it can only mean that He has the same SPIRIT as His Father but NOT BE HIM in person.
You are missing the whole context of the discussion in John 8"We are not a slave to any man...Our father is Abraham"
showing they did not believe HIS TESTIMONY that HE IS THE SON of GOD
they didnt understand that they were slaves to sin. when Jesus said Kep my word and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free" they were saying " free from who weve never been slaves" to which Jesus says " anyone who sins is a slave to sin.
the son told us How to be set free in john 8:21-32. to keep His word, and know the truth ( see john 14:15-17) he is saying the same thing, but more of it.
and then read romans 6:15-22 and realize pauls saying the same thing about freedom from sin the=rough Keeping the gospel, the doctrine taught by The Lord or " the words, or commands" of Jesus.
paul was never teaching a different doctrine, He hadnt been to roman church when He wrote the letter to them( romans 15:22-24) , he was referring to the Gospel ( the doctrine delivered you resulting from acts 8:4) that established all the churches, the gospel of Gods kingdom preached By Jesus. everything paul said is based on what Jesus said in the gospel and we need the gospel first and then paul can be understood otherwise its easy to misunderstand as peter says clearly (2 peter 3:15-17) God bless friend.
This is no laughing matter.lol unbiblical hahaha you guys crack me up for sure thanks for that![]()
You seem to believe that "Son of God" means that Jesus is inferior or junior to God the Father in essence/nature. All that scripture in the Bible does not disagree with the fact that Jesus is God because Son of God means that Jesus is God in the flesh.1 John 5: 9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."
Jesus baptism.
matthew 3:16-17 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Jesus transfigured
mark 9:2-7 " There He was transfigured before them.And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. ( Notice 3 witnesses of this on earth, peter James and john. and 3 witnesses in Heaven God, elijah and moses. ) then remember this
peters confirmation of Gods voice speaking this.
2 peter 1:17-18 "For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount
the witness of the Son of God
mark 14:61-62 "But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven"
John 10:36 "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"
John 3:35 "The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand."
the witness of the holy spirit, according to paul
romans 1:1-4 "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead"
the witness of the spirit according to John
1 john 5:5-6 "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth." see the witness in us (1 john 5:9-12)
the witness of the apostles
Peters witness and Jesus it is blessed and comes from God.
matthew 16:16-17 "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven
the entire purpose of Johns Gospel
john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
Pauls witness to who He preached as Jesus
2 corinthians 1:19 "For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
the witnes of Hebrews
Hebrews 1:2-4 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they."
1 peter 1:3 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead"
the witness 2 more disciples
martha
john 11:27 "She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
The ethiopien at His baptism
acts 8:37 "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."
the Son of God is worshipped.
matthew 14:33 "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
seems all this scrupture in the Bible sort of disagrees . but again, im just really Glad things are written so clearly and that mailman dans apparent "knowledge" and judgement seems to be as backwards as one can Get. unbiblical haha the Bible defines jesus very clearly " He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God" "that gospel of the grace of Christ teaching really has twisted minds.