Sickness is not from the devil, nor is it from God. It comes as a result of living in an evil, fallen world. The devil has no control over who gets ill and who doesn't.
JESUS IS WILLING, BE HEALED!
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Sickness is not from the devil, nor is it from God. It comes as a result of living in an evil, fallen world. The devil has no control over who gets ill and who doesn't.
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And I'd rather scrape the scum out of my toilet with my fingernails then read WoF manure. My toilet is more sanitary. This is your problem. You left God for "I can make myself happy" long ago.
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This has become past baloney. She is now advertising against God but for WoF.
Actually i responded to the wrong person.. sorry..
NP everybody picks on me haha... starting to like this place
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coby
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And now our faith saves us?
No need for God at all, huh?
It's His gift. Everyone got faith to get saved from Him, otherwise we wouldn't be saved. Saved by grace through faith.
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And so was hubby until God put a stop to it. And then he learned God's love and joy, not merely feeling good about himself. You don't believe in God. You believe in scams. And you preach them.
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Nah, you got that right. He simply forgot how much he has been commanding people.Actually i responded to the wrong person.. sorry..
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coby
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Okay one time again I'll share, hopefully not for nothing. The only ones who like this explanation are atheists who ask why God doesn't heal amputees. Because the church doesn't believe it and doesn't step out in faith.
God gave the dominion over the earth to Adam. He gave it to the devil by sinning. He said to Jesus that it was given to him when he tempted Him. He didn't say he lied.
Jesus had to become human to take the authority back, went to heaven, Holy Spirit poured out, He gave the authority to the believers to heal the sick etc., His Body on earth. He showed the disciples how to do it, they taught others. Then they got persecuted and it became a State religion and no baptism of the Spirit and healings anymore and teachings of cessationism and God is sovereign and does what He wants.
It makes me totally nuts when someone says that illness is caused by demons. Or because that person has demons in them. Illness is a by-product of sin and evil, not satan. Does God allow sickness? You bet he does!! Does satan have any power or influence on sickness? I don't believe he does.
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How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Now He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath.*11*And behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bent over and could in no way raiseherself*up.*12*But when Jesus saw her, He called*her*to*Him*and said to her,*“Woman, you are loosed from your infirmity.”13*And He laid*His*hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God.
Okay, whoa, put the brakes on!! Adam did NOT give satan dominion over the earth when the serpent tempted Adam. Yes, he and Eve sinned, but that did NOT transfer Adam's dominion over to satan. God knew they would sin, and He knew serpent satan would tempt Eve.
Jesus did NOT "have to become human to take the authority back". He DID have to come to earth as a human, in order to fulfill God's plan for the world. Jesus has given us the power to do many things, among them, the power to heal others, and cast out demons. The bible says that satan is the ruler of this world and that is true. BUT, Jesus is the Ultimate ruler and in the end, He WILL win out over satan.
Sin actually began in Heaven. Sin began when Lucifer and 3/4 of all the angels, rebelled against God, thinking they could be mightier than him. So God booted Lucifer out of heaven, where he became hell-bound satan. God even allowed sin to enter into the Garden of Eden.
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coby
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I don't believe everything is caused by the devil. When my kid fell from his bike and his hand hurt that was not because of the devil, but I just rebuke the pain in Jesus' Name, apply the Blood and the pain is gone.
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Okay, whoa, put the brakes on!! Adam did NOT give satan dominion over the earth when the serpent tempted Adam. Yes, he and Eve sinned, but that did NOT transfer Adam's dominion over to satan. God knew they would sin, and He knew serpent satan would tempt Eve.
Jesus did NOT "have to become human to take the authority back". He DID have to come to earth as a human, in order to fulfill God's plan for the world. Jesus has given us the power to do many things, among them, the power to heal others, and cast out demons. The bible says that satan is the ruler of this world and that is true. BUT, Jesus is the Ultimate ruler and in the end, He WILL win out over satan.
Sin actually began in Heaven. Sin began when Lucifer and 3/4 of all the angels, rebelled against God, thinking they could be mightier than him. So God booted Lucifer out of heaven, where he became hell-bound satan. God even allowed sin to enter into the Garden of Eden.
Yes He has the authority to end it all, but it's like renting a house. The owner has no authority to do what he likes, put new carpet in. You have to do that yourself or ask him. That's why it's: God does nothing on earth except when His people pray.
Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him[d]*all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.*6*And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for*this*has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.*7*Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours.”
8*And Jesus answered and said to him,“Get behind Me, Satan![e]*For[f]*it is written, ‘You shall worship the*Lord*your God, and Him only you shall serve.’
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He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.
And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.
And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
First of all, the owner of a house can do anything he wants to with it. It is the RENTER who needs permission to change something. And also, God cannot be tempted. And satan knows it.
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Yes depends here, but I meant unless you rent one with furniture in it he can't decide if I want a blue or a red couch and I can't get mad at him when there's no couch at all and keep waiting until maybe he is willing to bring one.First of all, the owner of a house can do anything he wants to with it. It is the RENTER who needs permission to change something. And also, God cannot be tempted. And satan knows it.
un2him - it appears from your testimony the Lord has led you to a new place from a bad place. What does this mean?
It sounds like mysticism where your authority is purely inside your self. Now as much as I would like to take you at face value you have not declared what you believe. Are you a healer, someone who feels it their ministry to pray for others?
Some of your reactions appear to be, I cannot be touched, God is leading me. The unfortunate thing is we all believe we are being led by God, some who have audible communication. The difficulty is many mental illnesses and halucinations equally have this effect. It is not unreasonable to question people who put up Hagin as an example. But it sounds to me like questioning this is talking against the Lord. Trying to dismiss me as an idiot equally is not helpful but indicates you have no answers just faith. That is mysticism.
A prophet was given a word to give to someone else and not eat any food. Another prophet came out and said, the Lord told me to say it is ok to eat now. So the prophet eat some food. Later he was killed, for disobeying the Lords command.
So loyalty, knowing where you stand rather than voices directing you, matters more. Or maybe this is a lesson you still have to learn.
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A deep theological lesson on healing from me.I have a grown up son. He wants bread.It's in the cupboard and I wrote him a note:if you want bread take some. It's in the cupboard. Bye! momHe sits and waits for me to bring it to him.But I'm in Spain.And he waits and he waits and he doesn't read the note.Healing is the bread of the children.
Apparently you do care. You and others claimed he was a heretic. You tried your best to show that but failed pretty quick at it because it isn't true. Nice try though. Hagin and the Word-faith/prosperity teachers are easily proven heretics.
If you guys are gonna make claims, at least be able to defend your point. So far you can't. I find it not so ironic that you guys defending Word-faith have no way of defending what you actually believe scripturally. There are a few go-to verses that are commonly used among you, and even those aren't understood by many of you.
Just swallow your pride, look at the evidences, and admit that Word-faith teaches occultism as doctrine. It will only hurt for a minute I promise.