Keep knocking them with scriptures and hopefully they will listen
Jesus returns to judge and rule, not destroy
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Keep knocking them with scriptures and hopefully they will listen
Since never read that late great book, then I just answer from the Book:
Mat 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
The Father chooses when His Son and Lord Jesus returns to earth to inherit all nations and rule as King from Jerusalem.
The burning of this heaven and earth is immediately after His thousand year reign expires, with the fiery destruction of the last rebellion of nations.
The only way to mistake the Father's timing between the Jesus' promised return to earth, and the burning end of this world, is to assume Jesus returns to destroy this world, rather than rule over it. In which case, the prophecy of the LORD governing all the earth in righteousness for the good, will not be fulfilled:
Psa 82:8
Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
Psa 67:40
let the nations be glad and sing for joy: for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.
Psa 96:13
Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.
Joe 3:16
The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
Isa 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Joe 3:18
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim.
Since this old promise of the LORD God has not yet been fulfilled, then if He returns only to destroy all the earth with fire, He makes Himself a cruel liar to all the righteous and meek of the earth praying, hoping, and watching for Him to keep His personal words of prophecy.
Either LORD God of Israel Himself will keep His promise to inherit all nations, and rule them with good and right judgment in Person, or He won't. I of course believe He will for sure....
Psa 2:8
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers:
Rev 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war…And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Lots of folks are reprobates now so those are the ones that will never learn because they have become un-teachable and the Lord has turned them over to their folly. Very sad.
You mean be like in the time of Calvin?
I'm only quoting prophecy of Scripture for the the time of the Lord's Millennium on earth.
I'm not saying there should be laws to kill false prophets, apostles, and teachers. Not while men are still ruling their own nations.
At this time, Paul says to simply ignore the heretics, not even argue with them, much less kill them. Afterall, there's plenty of local churches to choose among today, and I thank God for it.
No one is saying the Lord's wrath won't be fiery and all consuming among the wicked persecutors of His saints, especially them also gathered for war against He Himself:
Zec 14:12
And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
However, other than many waking up in hell, the only ones cast into the lake of fire at His return, is the beast and his false prophet.
Rev 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Even Satan won't be cast into that lake to join them, until after His Millennium on earth has expired...
Rev 20:7
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
His predeterminism sure is corrupting believer's minds...Some even think they were little lambs of God with God in the beginning. They just weren't born yet.
Pro 16:18
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Let's look at a few basics. The 1000 years raign can't be in both heaven and Earth.
What event begins this 1,000-year period?
They lived [came alive] and reigned with Christ for a thousand years (Revelation 20:4). A resurrection begins the 1,000-year period.
What is this resurrection called? Who will be raised in it?
This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection (Revelation 20:5, 6).
It is called the first resurrection. The saved blessed and holy from all ages will be raised in it.
The Bible says there are two resurrections. When is the second resurrection, and who will be raised in it?
The rest of the dead [those who were not saved] did not live again until the thousand years were finished (Revelation 20:5).
All who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation (John 5:28, 29).
The second resurrection takes place at the close of the 1,000-year period. The unsaved will be raised in this resurrection. It is called the resurrection of condemnation.
The resurrection of the saved begins the 1,000 years. The resurrection of the unsaved ends the 1,000 years.
When Jesus comes (no one knows the day or hour) judgement most be finished because every case is decided. Those with their names in the book of life are saved.
The saved will be with Jesus for the 1000 year reign.
Do you agree... ??
1Th 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Joh 14:2-3 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
When Jesus returns every eye will see Him.
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him (Revelation 1:7).
The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout. 1 Thes 4:16.
No mention of the wicked getting a second chance.
There was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth. … And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent (Revelation 16:18, 21).
Jer 4:23-26 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Isa 24:1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. ....3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word. ....19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. 20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
Isa 2:20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats; 21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
Just before the 1,000 years begin, the most devastating earthquake and hailstorm in history strike the earth; Jesus returns in the clouds for His people; and all the saints are caught up into the air to meet Jesus. BUT the unsaved living are destroyed and the unsaved dead are not raised until the 1000 years are finished.
With the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked (Isaiah 11:4).
When the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God (2 Thessalonians 1:7, 8).
Let the wicked perish at the presence of God (Psalm 68:2).
The rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished (Revelation 20:5)
The living unsaved will be slain by the very presence of Christ at the second coming. When the brightness of all the angels, God the Father, and God the Son combine, the unsaved will die as if hit by lightning. The wicked already dead when Jesus returns will remain in their graves until the end of the 1,000 years.
The new Jerusalem, the holy city is not built by man, or human hands and it is where the throne is so why can't you accept that the saved will be in heaven in the holy city until it comes to the Earth at the end of the 1000 years.
Rev 21:1-2 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Sadly virtually all churches and preachers now are teaching false doctrine having departed from the Doctrine of Christ found in God's Word.
The devil and his demons certainly won't be roaming the earth during Jesus' 1000 Year Reign as he is doing now
It's funny how you never hear of a follower of calvinism telling people "I was one of the ones God assigned to hell so I won't be seeing you all in Heaven" but they are so quick to accuse all that don't follow calvin of being assigned to hell by the Lord.
They don't understand that calvinism is heresy and is one of the works of the flesh of which the Lord says "those that do these things shall not inherit the Kingdom" (Galatians 5:19-21)
Calvinists are the modern day version of the pharisees and sadducees who add to and take away from what the Lord teaches in scripture while presenting themselves to the people are the foremost authority on the things of God. They are very dedicated servants of satan and are too deceived and blind to know it.
Correct. It will be on earth.
Rev 5:9
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
There is no Scripture of redeemed and resurrected saints reigning from heaven. There is Scripture of them reigning on earth.
Any interpretation of Scripture other than what Scripture says, is false.
2Pe 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
The will of man does not write Scripture, nor change prophecy of Scripture to conform to their own will.
Because of Scripture's prophecy: The first resurrected saints will reign as priests and kings with the Lord for a thousand years on earth.
Rev 5:9
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
And, they will rule them, that are not killed before setting His feet on Olivet, and roaring His victory over all the earth:
Rev 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Joe 3:16
The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
Several simple words of Scripture prove the truth, more than many words of explanation for something else.
The resurrected saints do not go to heaven with the Lord, until after their thousand year reign with Him on earth. Afterward, this world ends by fire, with this heaven and earth fleeing from God's face sitting on the great white throne.
Summarize what? Late Great Planet earth? I can't summarize what I don't know.
Summarize the Lord's return at the end of this age, to rule on the earth a thousand years, followed by this world's end by burning?
This age is man ruling himself and his own nations on earth. (1 1/2 sentences)
And this is a fact. When asked, I've never had any Calvinist deny they were one of the prechosen for salvation and life.
You are spot on here. It's always the other person, that's chosen for damnation and death...
Although, I think there was one Calvinist, that admitted he wasn't prechosen, but then later down the road was. Afterall, being prechosen doesn't mean being right...
How so? Pride?
In this age? I'm no longer ruling myself, nor have I ruled over any nation.Where do you see yourself in this situation?
Mar 8:34
And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
That does not say they will reign for the 1000 years on earth.... read it .... AND,
AND we shall reign on the earth.
I will not make it say something it isn't...
But when you read the other bible verses in Revelation it is clear that the holy city does not come down until the end of the 1000 years. And Jesus said He is preparing mansions in heaven.
And the devil is chained up for the 1000 years.
And, The slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth. They shall not be lamented, or gathered, or buried; they shall become refuse on the ground (Jeremiah 25:33).
I beheld, and indeed there was no man (Jeremiah 4:25).
It will be impossible for any person to repent during the 1,000 years because there will not be a person alive on the earth. The righteous will all be in heaven. All the wicked will be laying dead upon the earth. Revelation 22:11, 12 makes it clear that the case of every person is closed before Jesus returns. Those who wait to accept Christ until the 1,000 years begin will have waited too long.
I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit. …
He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit … till the thousand years were finished (Revelation 20:1–3).
The word for bottomless pit in the original Greek is abussos, or abyss. That same word is used in Genesis 1:2 in the Greek version of the Old Testament in connection with the creation of the earth, but there it is translated deep. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. The words deep, bottomless pit, and abyss here refer to the same thing the earth in its totally dark, disorganized form before God made order of it. Jeremiah, in describing this earth during the 1,000 years, used virtually the same terms as these in Genesis 1:2: without form, and void, no light, no man, and black (Jeremiah 4:23, 25, 28). So the battered, dark earth with no people alive will be called the bottomless pit, or abyss, during the 1,000 years, just as it was in the beginning before Creation was completed. Also, Isaiah 24:22 speaks of Satan and his angels during the 1,000 years as gathered in the pit and shut up in the prison.
Isa 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
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An angel … having … a great chain in his hand … laid hold of … Satan, and bound him for a thousand years … and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished (Revelation 20:1–3).
The chain is symbolic. A chain of circumstances. A super-natural being cannot be confined with a literal chain. Satan is tied down because he has no people to deceive. The unsaved are all dead and the saved are all in heaven. The Lord confines the devil to this earth so he cannot roam the universe hoping to find someone to deceive. Forcing the devil to stay on the earth, alone with his demons for a thousand years with no one to deceive, will be for him the most galling chain ever forged.
At the end of the 1000 years Satan is loosed for a short time because the wicked are raised for the second death, But this is when Jesus will make all things new and death is fully destroyed.
Joh 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.
Calvinism is deceptive because the devil mixes truth and error
Eze 18:20-22 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
Exactly! That's how the devil operates.
He uses some truth to make things sound good on the surface, but he tucks the poison inside of what most people says sounds fine to them. A glass of water can be 99% pure water and good to drink but it's that 1% poison that will kill
Most folks are not skillful in the word of righteousness (Hebrews 5:13) due to not taking the time to study God's Word ongoing which is needed to know the Lord, to grow spiritually so they can walk in agreement with Him as He has called His people to do.
Sadly some claim obedience is works based salvation and trying to earn one's salvation and so they advocate for disobedience which is how we know they are being taught by devils because satan always stands in opposition to the Lord seeking to get men to oppose the Lord as well as we saw in the garden of eden with Adam and Eve