Jesus's Resurrection?
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And what about this scripture?
Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
I'm not debating rather he was in flesh or spirit,I'm just trying to understand.
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DesiredHaven
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No it speaks of avoiding unlearned questions which gender strifes, and it seems like you are so ignorant in these things its hard to know where to start.
The answer may be summed up for us in 1Cor 15. "That which is mortal must put on immortality." Jesus ascended in his mortal body which was changed to the incorruptible. This is how Paul describes our resurrection as well. On interesting passage is 1Tim. 2:5, "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." Although Jesus is still man, although glorified man, he is no longer flesh, no longer corporal.
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LifestyleChristianity
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Yes heaven is a physical place. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:2
So where does the father reside in Heaven. The Bible says we have been seated with Christ in Heavenly Places. Jesus is on the Right hand of the Father Literally so therefore heaven is a physical place.
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JesusIsAll
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John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Obviously in the flesh? I don't believe the resurrected Lord Jesus had a body that was your Daddy's flesh. He appeared to the disciples in a room, where the doors were closed. That's obviously some pretty unique flesh, a body with rather striking differences, you think?
"See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” Luke 24:39
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JesusIsAll
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I'm not saying He did not have touchable flesh, but flesh, as we know it, cannot appear in a room with closed doors. His resurrected body was not just a quickened corpse, by any stretch, rather having the ability to transcend things material, my point, awesome power, and, the point is, not our "flesh and blood" that cannot ascend to heaven, as the OP asserts.
You are trying to answer this miracle by linking it to our understanding of natural process. According to our understanding of natural process you are correct. A physical body cannot simply materialize in a closed room. Do you suppose such natural processes would pose such a limitation on Jesus while in the flesh? All of his miracles stood outside the realm of natural process. Why is this one different? The body that went into the grave is the same one that came out of the grave.
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JesusIsAll
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No, I can't say there was ever any limitation of the Lord Jesus in the flesh, before the cross, just this sort of implies the adage heard a lot that He was 100% God and man taking on a question mark, but just to my mind, have always been more the notion the Lord Jesus rose to that incorruptible body we will have in the future, the first fruits of resurrection, that this represents scriptural harmony, to my mind. But I can't say your assertion isn't correct, wasn't even thinking in that direction, just pointing out Christ was not in our state at His resurrection to be 1 Corinthians 15:50 flesh, albeit somewhat trapped by your idea He ever was, and walking on water and all, I guess above my pay grade to know all the details.
You are right in the fact that when we are raised, we will be raised in an incorruptible body. There is one other point that scripture makes regarding those who are still alive when the end comes. Those who are alive will be changed. This seems to be the same thing we see in the ascension of Jesus. As long as Jesus was with the disciples after the resurrection he remained in his same physical body but, in his ascension that body would have then taken on its glorified state as he leaves the physical realm and enters into the eternal realm. There is much about this we simply do not know because God has not chosen to reveal these things to us.
The resurrected body is animated by spirit, it is described as ethereal, astral, celestial and heavenly.....just like the angels seem to have the ability to take physical form at will....Jesus was outside the door and then appeared in the room without opening the door and proceeds to upbraid Thomas for doubting.......We cannot fathom with our finite minds what this will be like as we are bound down under flesh and have a very limited view....!
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Eva1218
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I Pray this helps you in understanding the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST. JESUS is the 2nd Person of the GODHEAD BODY (Romans 1:20). HE came to earth to Redeem mankind back to the FATHER (Titus 2:14). By doing so JESUS came in the flesh (Matthew 1:18) gave HIS BODY as the Ultimate sacrifice for our sins (wages of sin is death/Romans 6:23-Ephesians 5:2). By Resurrecting JESUS has paid the price for our sins and has given us the chance now to be Resurrected as well therefore obtain Everlasting Life (John 3:16).
Now in Heaven there is no flesh spirit only (1 Corinthians 15:50-58. JESUS Body was Transfigured meaning it changed , was transformed (Mark 9:2). In death the flesh/body is buried, the spirit goes back to the FATHER and the soul is judged (Ecclesiates 12:7,Revelation 20:4).
This all being stated JESUS had to present HIS BODY before the FATHER, HIS BODY was buried (Matthew 27:58-66), HIS SPIRIT went back to the FATHER (Luke 23:46) and we know JESUS does not get judgment for HE is our Advocate (1 John 2:1)
By Revealing of Scripture we see that in Heaven there is Spirit and soul. On earth there is flesh/body where the spirit and soul dwell within.
Keep in mind that in the verse Luke 24:39 JESUS did not present HIS BODY to the FATHER yet HE has just Rose from the dead, this is why HE was not able to be touched (John 20:17). This shows us that JESUS was on earth not in Heaven where there is no flesh.
Blessings!!!!!!!
Now in Heaven there is no flesh spirit only (1 Corinthians 15:50-58. JESUS Body was Transfigured meaning it changed , was transformed (Mark 9:2). In death the flesh/body is buried, the spirit goes back to the FATHER and the soul is judged (Ecclesiates 12:7,Revelation 20:4).
This all being stated JESUS had to present HIS BODY before the FATHER, HIS BODY was buried (Matthew 27:58-66), HIS SPIRIT went back to the FATHER (Luke 23:46) and we know JESUS does not get judgment for HE is our Advocate (1 John 2:1)
By Revealing of Scripture we see that in Heaven there is Spirit and soul. On earth there is flesh/body where the spirit and soul dwell within.
Keep in mind that in the verse Luke 24:39 JESUS did not present HIS BODY to the FATHER yet HE has just Rose from the dead, this is why HE was not able to be touched (John 20:17). This shows us that JESUS was on earth not in Heaven where there is no flesh.
Blessings!!!!!!!
Luke24:41-42 Jesus Sat down and ate fish and honeycomb. You can't eat and digest food in the spirit..
It is not known exactly what Jesus resurrected body was like other than He resurrected bodily. His body was like flesh and blood in that He could be handled and He could eat. He could also pass through the door being shut. He could disappear from their sight and He ascended into heaven while they watched.
We will receive a body made like unto His which will not tire nor suffer heat or cold or hunger.
No corrupt flesh and blood will be received into heaven. Only that which has been changed into incorruptible by the Holy Spirit. All sinfulness will be destroyed and only holiness will be before the Lord God.
The fields are white unto harvest but the laborers are few.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
We will receive a body made like unto His which will not tire nor suffer heat or cold or hunger.
No corrupt flesh and blood will be received into heaven. Only that which has been changed into incorruptible by the Holy Spirit. All sinfulness will be destroyed and only holiness will be before the Lord God.
The fields are white unto harvest but the laborers are few.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Juriz,
The terms 'in the flesh' and 'in the Spirit' have nothing to do with physical bodies, or absence thereof.
Being in the flesh refers to having a worldly mindset and worldly values; while being in the Spirit refers to adopting God's point of view and values as revealed by the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Ro 8:5-13
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
KJV
Jesus indeed had a resurrected physical body; but was NEVER 'in the flesh'. His resurrected body could not only eat fish; but could also walk through walls. when we are resurrected or raptured, we can expect similar bodies.
The terms 'in the flesh' and 'in the Spirit' have nothing to do with physical bodies, or absence thereof.
Being in the flesh refers to having a worldly mindset and worldly values; while being in the Spirit refers to adopting God's point of view and values as revealed by the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Ro 8:5-13
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
KJV
Jesus indeed had a resurrected physical body; but was NEVER 'in the flesh'. His resurrected body could not only eat fish; but could also walk through walls. when we are resurrected or raptured, we can expect similar bodies.
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JesusIsAll
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But maybe lose that word astral? A school of Satanism can't get enough of the poppycock of astral planes. It's a word with "ouch" sort of Theosophy connotations.
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JesusIsAll
Guest
Jesus appeared in a closed-off room. You can't do that in the flesh. Try it yourself. Eat a fish sandwich and try walking through a door. Do watch out for your nose. Again, the resurrected Lord Jesus was not your Daddy's flesh and blood, or yours.
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You know what else can't be done in the flesh? Walking on water; especially
while a storm is blowing and waves are tossing. (Matt 14:24-32)
Jesus Christ was virgin-conceived, virgin-born, calmed storms, restored
withered limbs, put the lame up on their feet, healed blindness and leprosy,
multiplied loaves and fishes, converted water into wine, raised the dead,
read people's thoughts, observed a man from a distance without being
anywhere near where the man was, withered a fig tree, etc. Come on now;
what's another miracle for a man like that?
BTW: The Watch Tower Society claims that Christ's post resurrection
appearances were not him at all. They were performed by an angel named
Michael concealed in a human avatar that looked like Christ. Apparently the
avatar could be materialized and de-materialized at will so Michael walked
through the closed door as an angel and then donned the avatar once he
was on the other side.
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You know what else can't be done in the flesh? Walking on water; especially
while a storm is blowing and waves are tossing. (Matt 14:24-32)
Jesus Christ was virgin-conceived, virgin-born, calmed storms, restored
withered limbs, put the lame up on their feet, healed blindness and leprosy,
multiplied loaves and fishes, converted water into wine, raised the dead,
read people's thoughts, observed a man from a distance without being
anywhere near where the man was, withered a fig tree, etc. Come on now;
what's another miracle for a man like that?
BTW: The Watch Tower Society claims that Christ's post resurrection
appearances were not him at all. They were performed by an angel named
Michael concealed in a human avatar that looked like Christ. Apparently the
avatar could be materialized and de-materialized at will so Michael walked
through the closed door as an angel and then donned the avatar once he
was on the other side.
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