Joseph's Genealogy

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• Matt 1:18-20 . . Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows. When His
mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she
was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit. And Joseph her husband, being
a righteous man, and not wanting to disgrace her, desired to put her away
secretly. But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord
appeared to him in a dream, saying: Joseph, son of David, etc, etc.

That passage clearly informs us that Joseph was related to David. Our next
step won't be so easy as it will require a bit of sleuthing; and we have to do
this so that anybody can follow it rather than only seminary professors.

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I've compared the genealogies given by Matthew and Luke in several
different Bibles-- Catholic and Protestant, and even the Jehovah's Witnesses
--in every version both genealogies are Joseph's; which is problematic
because it means that Joseph had a father leading back to Solomon, and
another father leading back to Solomon's brother Nathan.

If we're to accept both genealogies as true, inspired, and reliable; then I
think we have to concede the possibility that one of Joseph's fathers was via
birth and one was via adoption. Fortunately the Bible gives us two
precedents for this situation, which, if applicable, spares us the trouble of
twisting Luke 3:23 to say that it's Mary's genealogy instead of Joseph's.

It's kind of weird for kin to adopt each other's children, but Jacob did that
very thing with his two grandsons Manasseh and Ephraim in Gen 48:5-6.

Manasseh and Ephraim are one example. Another is located in the book of
Ruth where a boy ends up with two fathers: one by birth and one by
adoption.

There's a law in the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God
regarding men who die leaving behind no son to perpetuate their name. The
man's widow is required to seek out the deceased husband's nearest
unattached male kin to remarry. Their first son from the union is to be
reckoned her deceased husband's posterity.

Long story short, Ruth got together with a man named Boaz and they
produced a little guy named Obed. His family history is interesting because
Obed is Boaz's paternal son while Elimelech's adopted son: two fathers of
the same boy.

Obed was an important kid because anon he became the father of David,
from whom came not only Joseph, but also Christ. (Rom 1:3)

FAQ: If Joseph wasn't Jesus' natural father, then how was the lad his son?

A: Same as above: via adoption. When it came time to circumcise the boy in
accord with the law of the covenant; Joseph stood with Mary to name her
baby; just as he was instructed to do (Matt 1:21-25, Luke 2:21). From that
point on, Jesus was known as Joseph's son-- not just by people who knew
the family, but by his mother too. (Matt 13:55, Luke 2:41-48, John 1:45,
and John 6:42)
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Kind of hard to do a genealogy on Mary considering history has not even recorded the names of her parents. Anna and Joachim are the traditional ones given, but they come from a much later date.

One very interesting thing that has been suggested by some Biblical scholars and genealogists (and one I happen to agree with) is that one line is Joseph's paternal line, the other his maternal - the maternal line would stop at his maternal grandfather since woman's names were not added to lines.

 

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• Matt 1:18-20 . . Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows. When His
mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she
was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit. And Joseph her husband, being
a righteous man, and not wanting to disgrace her, desired to put her away
secretly. But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord
appeared to him in a dream, saying: Joseph, son of David, etc, etc.

That passage clearly informs us that Joseph was related to David. Our next
step won't be so easy as it will require a bit of sleuthing; and we have to do
this so that anybody can follow it rather than only seminary professors.

««« »»»

I've compared the genealogies given by Matthew and Luke in several
different Bibles-- Catholic and Protestant, and even the Jehovah's Witnesses
--in every version both genealogies are Joseph's; which is problematic
because it means that Joseph had a father leading back to Solomon, and
another father leading back to Solomon's brother Nathan.

If we're to accept both genealogies as true, inspired, and reliable; then I
think we have to concede the possibility that one of Joseph's fathers was via
birth and one was via adoption. Fortunately the Bible gives us two
precedents for this situation, which, if applicable, spares us the trouble of
twisting Luke 3:23 to say that it's Mary's genealogy instead of Joseph's.

It's kind of weird for kin to adopt each other's children, but Jacob did that
very thing with his two grandsons Manasseh and Ephraim in Gen 48:5-6.

Manasseh and Ephraim are one example. Another is located in the book of
Ruth where a boy ends up with two fathers: one by birth and one by
adoption.

There's a law in the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God
regarding men who die leaving behind no son to perpetuate their name. The
man's widow is required to seek out the deceased husband's nearest
unattached male kin to remarry. Their first son from the union is to be
reckoned her deceased husband's posterity.

Long story short, Ruth got together with a man named Boaz and they
produced a little guy named Obed. His family history is interesting because
Obed is Boaz's paternal son while Elimelech's adopted son: two fathers of
the same boy.

Obed was an important kid because anon he became the father of David,
from whom came not only Joseph, but also Christ. (Rom 1:3)

FAQ: If Joseph wasn't Jesus' natural father, then how was the lad his son?

A: Same as above: via adoption. When it came time to circumcise the boy in
accord with the law of the covenant; Joseph stood with Mary to name her
baby; just as he was instructed to do (Matt 1:21-25, Luke 2:21). From that
point on, Jesus was known as Joseph's son-- not just by people who knew
the family, but by his mother too. (Matt 13:55, Luke 2:41-48, John 1:45,
and John 6:42)
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Fascinating cover of prophecy ..

 

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Kind of hard to do a genealogy on Mary considering history has not even recorded the names of her parents. Anna and Joachim are the traditional ones given, but they come from a much later date.

One very interesting thing that has been suggested by some Biblical scholars and genealogists (and one I happen to agree with) is that one line is Joseph's paternal line, the other his maternal - the maternal line would stop at his maternal grandfather since woman's names were not added to lines.

I think that Mary's paternal line was given in Luke as the Jesus flesh/blood link direct to King David.. And Joseph would have by law as husband inherited Mary's paternal blood line as son in law to Heli after marriage and adoptive father of Jesus after Jesus was conceived and born of the Holy Spirit .. I'm thinking none of Jesus half-brothers or Joseph could have ever been king because of the blood curse on Jeconiah and his blood line .. Jesus as adopted son of Joseph would have side stepped the Jeconian blood curse by being the adopted legal son of Joseph .. Adopted sons received the same inheritance as the blood sons ..That's the only way I see as Jesus both paternal flesh lines lead back to King David and the only begotten Son of God at the same time ..

 

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I'm thinking none of Jesus half-brothers or Joseph could have ever been king
because of the blood curse on Jeconiah and his blood line .. Jesus as
adopted son of Joseph would have side stepped the Jeconian blood curse by
being the adopted legal son of Joseph

Jesus had the royal blood, and it's very easy to prove.

• Rom 1:3 . . [God's] son Jesus Christ our Lord was made of the seed of
David according to the flesh

The Greek word translated "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper' mah)
which is a bit ambiguous because it can refer to biological progeny and/or
spiritual progeny.

I think it's pretty safe to assume that the passage below is speaking of
spiritual progeny.

"If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according
to the promise." (Gal 3:29)

However; Rom 1:3 is definitely speaking of biological progeny because
David's seed is according to the flesh, i.e. his body.

Now as to Jeconiah: according to the language and grammar of the curse;
its duration was limited to an era when the land of Israel was divided into
two kingdoms-- Judah in the south and Samaria in the north --which came
to an end when Nebuchadnezzar crushed the whole country and led first
Samaria, and then later Judah, off to Babylonian slavery. When Christ takes
the reins, he will rule over a unified Israel, i.e. there won't be two kings; one
ruling in Judah and one ruling in Samaria.
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Joseph like Mary. lively stones that make up the spiritual unseen house the church . They are both used to represent the promise of the "freewoman" the bride of Christ, Christian's. . preciously called Israel (born again) or a inward Jew.

Galatians 4:23-26 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Paul was used to represent a surrogate mother sufferings in pains of birth till Christ was formed in Timothy who was called a chaste virgin bride espoused to her husband, Christ. .

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.


Rebekah was also used in that same way as Joseph the freewoman .

Genesis 24:60 And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed (Christ) possess the gate of those which hate them

Joseph was used to represent the free woman as the mother of us all

Genesis 37:8-10 King James Version (KJV) And his brethren said to him, Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words. And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?

His father was given the faith of Christ to ponder, as sign and wonder. His faithless brothers became envious.

Genesis 37:11 And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying.

 

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But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
Titus 3:9

 

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But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes
about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. Titus 3:9

The genealogies referred to in that verse fall into the trivia category.

In contrast: Christ's connection to Adam, Abraham, and David is not
something to be taken lightly and/or ignored as unworthy of your attention.
No less than two of the Gospel writers went to a lot of trouble compiling
Jesus' family tree; and now you come along behind them, trying to
marginalize its importance and convince people all over the world by means
of the internet, that those writers' work, inspired by Holy Spirit of God, was
a fool's errand?
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