Justification from everlasting !

[homwardbound]

Hi so do you understand this what Im discussing, justification from everlasting ?

Justification from everlasting, so should one, anyone take that for granted?

Maybe, this depends on your motive, my motive and others motive too, which God knows all in all everyones motive(s) in whatever anyone does or does not do correct?
However, I can read your posting as
Hey "I" can sin since 'I" man forgiven, who cares, I harm another person, whatever "I" am forgiven.
That is what those Corinthians thought, that Paul addressed, yes we are forgiven yet the tis not meant to take it for granted and harm others, in being arrogant, drinking all the wine, getting drunk and having sex with others as you choose to against another's will or

Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
The Law got me aware of sin, that I now see to not sin and harm anyone, yet have and still could being in a body of unredeemed flesh and blood still.
So who can deliver us? Not me, that is for sure
Thanks

 

[brightfame52]

@homwardbound

Justification from everlasting, so should one, anyone take that for granted?

Huh ? That came out of left field. So do you understand my point ? Yes or no, has nothing to do with taking anything for granted, please stick to the topic question, thanx

 

[homwardbound]

@homwardbound



Huh ? That came out of left field. So do you understand my point ? Yes or no, has nothing to do with taking anything for granted, please stick to the topic question, thanx

We do not see together< obviously, bless us both , Father and see truth from both of us, thanks, I will not post any more on this

 

[brightfame52]

Slain from the foundation !

That God had made a Judicial decision not to punish the elect for their sins [Justification] but to impute them unto Christ, in order that He may bear the Justice of them, is seen from the words we read "slain from the foundation " Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

This is a revelation of the Mind and Purpose of God ! The word slain here is in the greek a perfect passive participle, and denotes that He had been slain once and for all in the Past with results or effects into the present. And by it being from the foundation denotes its none association with time, as it pertains to what is True in the Mind Of God. That is, Christ death in time did not have to yet occur for the reality of it and its benefits were real in God's Reckoning.

Its like what Paul states in Rom 4:17

17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not[In time] as though they were[already happened].

So from the foundation, Christ had already died for the sins of those He was to die for in God's reckoning, and so they had to be Justified or reconciled to God by His Death as Early in God's Mind. Because scripture states Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

" we were reconciled to God by the death or slaying of His Son " So according to what we see of Rev 13:8, they were Reconciled to God from the foundation ! And to be Reconciled is to be Justified !

 

[brightfame52]

We do not see together< obviously, bless us both , Father and see truth from both of us, thanks, I will not post any more on this

Okay suit yourself, but you are welcome to post on this topic, i just ask if you do please consider what I have posted for discussion.

 

[homwardbound]

Okay suit yourself, but you are welcome to post on this topic, i just ask if you do please consider what I have posted for discussion.

I do and have according to me. yet not you, thank you for all the kind words
My agenda is the risen Christ, where new life is given to us to walk new in God's Spirit and Truth, the same as Jesus did here on earth first. All topics are a part of what is done by Son for us all Hebrews 10:10, true or not? to free us from bondage of sin

 

[brightfame52]

I do and have according to me. yet not you, thank you for all the kind words
My agenda is the risen Christ, where new life is given to us to walk new in God's Spirit and Truth, the same as Jesus did here on earth first. All topics are a part of what is done by Son for us all Hebrews 10:10, true or not? to free us from bondage of sin

Okay so why not start a discussion that suits your agenda, like I did with this one. This is about Justification from eternity.

 

[homwardbound]

Okay so why not start a discussion that suits your agenda, like I did with this one. This is about Justification from eternity.

I have and as led will again
your agenda is about predestination. Not free choice, yet God has called all to choose to believe God. If not, then God would not be righteous, God the God I know is fair to all, having no respect of persons
thanks

 

[brightfame52]

I have and as led will again
your agenda is about predestination. Not free choice, yet God has called all to choose to believe God. If not, then God would not be righteous, God the God I know is fair to all, having no respect of persons
thanks

So you dont care, you just going to take over this thread with your way of thinking ? Why not start your own thread ?

 

[homwardbound]

So you dont care, you just going to take over this thread with your way of thinking ? Why not start your own thread ?

You misunderstood stand me, I said I would leave this alone, you posted back to me to post, yet in only what you think. When this a sharing sight is it not?
I post what I read and hear, thanks, not caring for any arguments ever

 

[brightfame52]

An Everlasting Salvation !

Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Israel here is merely All of God's Elect, Chosen In Christ [Israel] before the foundation !

When is an Elect Person, Chosen in Christ ? Before the foundation Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

When are they saved ? Now this is going to shock most if not all of you, but an Elect one Chosen in Christ before the foundation, they have been saved from everlasting !

Everlasting has regard to no beginning and no ending Prov 8:23

23 I [Christ the wisdom of God] was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

So what does that mean if we were Chosen in Christ before the foundation ? How long have we existed ?

Lets look at Ps 103:17

17But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

Notice that David writes under the inspiration of God, that the Mercy of the LORD is FROM EVERLASTING, upon certain individuals " Those who are fearing Him in Time" to Everlasting.

Now are the Elect saved by Mercy ? Yes Titus 3:5

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

What can be more plainer ? When in God's Estimation were the Elect not reckoned as Vessels of Mercy ? Rom 9:22-23

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

The Elect in the Eternal Purpose of God, have always been Saved by His Mercy in Christ, from Everlasting to Everlasting ! 1

 

[homwardbound]

An Everlasting Salvation !

Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Israel here is merely All of God's Elect, Chosen In Christ [Israel] before the foundation !

When is an Elect Person, Chosen in Christ ? Before the foundation Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

When are they saved ? Now this is going to shock most if not all of you, but an Elect one Chosen in Christ before the foundation, they have been saved from everlasting !

Everlasting has regard to no beginning and no ending Prov 8:23

23 I [Christ the wisdom of God] was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

So what does that mean if we were Chosen in Christ before the foundation ? How long have we existed ?

Lets look at Ps 103:17

17But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

Notice that David writes under the inspiration of God, that the Mercy of the LORD is FROM EVERLASTING, upon certain individuals " Those who are fearing Him in Time" to Everlasting.

Now are the Elect saved by Mercy ? Yes Titus 3:5

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

What can be more plainer ? When in God's Estimation were the Elect not reckoned as Vessels of Mercy ? Rom 9:22-23

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

The Elect in the Eternal Purpose of God, have always been Saved by His Mercy in Christ, from Everlasting to Everlasting ! 1

Thanks, God forces all and knows all as predicted about Son in /Genesis 3:15-16.
Son our reconciler, to now have a true relationship with Father.
thank you I like what you wrote

 

[homwardbound]

When are they saved ? Now this is going to shock most if not all of you, but an Elect one Chosen in Christ before the foundation, they have been saved from everlasting !

I see this and as well see not to go down too far in that rabbit hole. seeing the Bible made up of mostly "Cliff notes" that man can take and make Doctrines out of it
Seeing what Paul said in Corinthians 3
I see to simply stand in trust to God and watch out for any leaven of Pharisees (not saying anyone here is). To not strain out gnats and end up swallowing a camel.
Been there done that, I see to love all God's way of love in 1 Cor 13:4-7

 

[brightfame52]

Being Justified freely by His Grace !

Romans 3:24

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

This Grace whereby those whom Christ died for, and by which they are Justified before God, was given them in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Everyone Christ died for, God out of Grace towards them through Jesus Christ, declares them Justified freely without any cause.

The word freely here in the text is the greek word dōrean and means:

undeservedly, without cause. The word is translated without a cause here Jn 15:25

25But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

There is not a cause within them why God Freely Justified them by His Grace, the Merit is in Christ Jesus, His Redemptive work. Its nothing they did such as believing, nor repentance or water baptism, absolutely nothing they did, said or even thought, but entirely through what Christ did for them.

Christ was slain for them in God's Purpose before the foundation Rev 13:8 and as previously stated the Grace which they are Justified by was given them in Christ Jesus before the world began !

This Justifying Grace was given to us [If we are Elect] prior to when the world began, Thats Eternal Justification !

 

[homwardbound]

Being Justified freely by His Grace !

Romans 3:24

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

This Grace whereby those whom Christ died for, and by which they are Justified before God, was given them in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Everyone Christ died for, God out of Grace towards them through Jesus Christ, declares them Justified freely without any cause.

The word freely here in the text is the greek word dōrean and means:

undeservedly, without cause. The word is translated without a cause here Jn 15:25

25But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

There is not a cause within them why God Freely Justified them by His Grace, the Merit is in Christ Jesus, His Redemptive work. Its nothing they did such as believing, nor repentance or water baptism, absolutely nothing they did, said or even thought, but entirely through what Christ did for them.

Christ was slain for them in God's Purpose before the foundation Rev 13:8 and as previously stated the Grace which they are Justified by was given them in Christ Jesus before the world began !

This Justifying Grace was given to us [If we are Elect] prior to when the world began, Thats Eternal Justification !

freely given, freely give once led by God to do it when and when not to, Ecclesiastes tells Mae all about the discerning of truth, thank you

 

[brightfame52]

It is God that Justifieth the Elect !

Rom 8:33,34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

If we are Elect, we are Justified. Its no such thing as being God's Elect and not Justified by Him. Now I dare not hold back the idea that at the same date God considered us His Elect, its the same date He Justified us, and is the same date the challenge goes forth " Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's Elect" Shall God who chose them and Justified them lay anything to their charge ? Shall God who Loved them with an everlasting Love lay any charge to them ? I say No ! How long have they been God's Elect ? It was before they were born according to the principle set forth in Romans 9:11

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

Who is He that condemneth the Elect ? vs 34

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

This question refers to the Elect in the previous verse ! When did God ever condemn His Elect ? If He did, then He must have layed a charge or charges against them, which is contrary to the thoughts of vs 33

Who condemneth, because it is Christ that died ! Meaning He was condemned to die for them. If Christ was condemned to die for them, then who condemned Christ ? It was God. God charged Christ with their condemnation that they incurred here Rom 5:18

18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Now God either charged the All Men with condemnation or He charge their condemnation to Christ to die for, which one ? it cannot be both.

And when did God Purpose not to Charge the Elect and to Charge Christ ? Whenever that date was, that's how long the elect have been Justified. For it is God that Justifieth !

 

[homwardbound]

Now God either charged the All Men with condemnation or He charge their condemnation to Christ to die for, which one ? it cannot be both.

And when did God Purpose not to Charge the Elect and to Charge Christ ? Whenever that date was, that's how long the elect have been Justified. For it is God that Justifieth !

Done completed in Son at the death, then the resurrection where new life is given to the next that believes God in this done work for them too, are given new life to reside in and then do the done work of God in love and mercy to all too, thank you Father and Son as Won (One)
Authorized (King James) Version

and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

 

[brightfame52]

Done completed in Son at the death, then the resurrection where new life is given to the next that believes God in this done work for them too, are given new life to reside in and then do the done work of God in love and mercy to all too, thank you Father and Son as Won (One)
Authorized (King James) Version

and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Huh ? You lost me

 

[brightfame52]

Paul teaches Eternal Justification right here !

Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

All the aorist tense verbs foreknow, predestinate, called, Justified, and glorified, all these are things God did in timeless Eternity before the world began. Paul here is not enumerating events that transpired in time, but events of God in His Eternal Purpose and Decree. They are all done as far as God is concerned, even though we, the elect in Christ do not come to experience them until time. So the elect, according to God's Eternal Purpose of Grace are already foreknown, predestined, called or named as His Children], Justified and Glorified. 1

 

[homwardbound]

Huh ? You lost me

That prediction in Genesis was not revealed until the risen Christ for us. God seeing the truth what will get done for us to rejoice in Genesis 3:15,16
The avail has come and won for us the people to beleive God and stand in babe;leif to God tom see us through. To pound the pavement in continued trust to God and God continues to love us all. Hope to have got you on track, if not I will trust God to reveal it to you, thank you