Justify

[Peterlag]

Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by ["by" is the Greek word "ek" meaning "from out of"] faith, we have peace with God through [through is the Greek word "dia" meaning "proceeding from"] our Lord Jesus Christ:

Most of the New Testament deals with the new covenant in this our Grace administration that started on the day of Pentecost. God’s justification and how it cannot be earned is clearly written all throughout the New Testament. And yet most of us believe by way of our actions that we somehow need to find a way within our own thinking on how to justify ourselves.

We put the emphasis on ourselves so we become centered, the subject, and God the object. We become the doer, the giver, and God becomes the one done for, or the receiver. For justification we believe in human nature, believing we are able by our own effort, by our own works, by our own ethical and moral achievements to please God, and attain righteousness. We then try to seek God, attempting to discover God by our unaided intellect.

We need to understand the emphasis is on God, who is central, the subject, and we are the object because of what God made available to Jesus Christ, which allowed him to have the bond that created the relationship between him and God. God becomes the doer, the giver, and we are the one done for, the recipient. Truth is to not have faith in human nature because human nature is basically sinful and helpless to please God. Truth is God seeking us, and this is God’s revelation of Himself to anyone who will let Him be known to them.

We are justified from out of faith, and we already have peace with God, proceeding from our Lord Jesus Christ. We have this justification freely because God’s justification cost Him His only begotten Son, and this is why we cannot earn it from our own achievements. We have it because of God’s grace and because of the redemption that is within the risen and living Christ. It's not what we do, it's what we have—it's who we are.

Justification is the relationship between God and His people because it deals with the covenant of God and how He has taken what was broken by sin and made it right. The word “justify” means literally “to make just” or “to make right” just like if you have never sinned. To enter a covenant with another entailed obligations upon both of the parties. The ones who were faithful to the obligation and maintained the covenant were the ones who were justified.

In the case of the covenant between God and His people is where we see God’s obligation is in the defense of His people. Our obligation is to obey the will of God as disclosed in the “gospel of Jesus Christ” that is written to the “body of Christ” in this time period of the Grace administration. To be justified is an act of God because He has made us justified, and His justification is shown by His saving acts. The results of the resurrection of Christ and God making the new Christ justified had resulted in Christians finding themselves in a right relationship with God, who has established this “new covenant.”

Justification has not come about because of anything believers are capable of achieving on their own. The power and mercy of God alone has established this new relationship, and this is why the believer’s role is simply to believe and accept. Justification deals with the relationship between God and Christ in the bond of the covenant between them, which started when God raised Jesus Christ out from among the dead. Justification is made available to us because it's Christ Jesus, who has this covenant with God and thereby has complete liberation from the nature of sin. We have this changeover from the state of injustice to the state of justice, from being the accused to being declared innocent because of this personal relationship Jesus Christ has with God.

 

[Corban]

I think the problem that you allude to, that of making ourselves the subject and God the Object stems from the fact that, like righteousness and sanctification, there are two sorts. But first I would like to confirm your definition. "Justification" is the act of a judge at an assize (court case) establishing that you "were right". The pilot of the two-engined airliner suffers the loss of one of the engines over the ocean. Having only one engine left, he diverts to an Island nearby. The cost to the airline for a non-scheduled landing, hotels for the passengers, hangarage for the stricken aircraft and the cost of flying out a replacement engine and exchanging it, away from base, is enormous. The airline fires the pilot for his decision and sues him for costs. The matter goes before a judge. The judge agrees with the LAW. Aviation LAW says that the loss of an engine on a two-engined aircraft creates an emergency which needs a landing at the next possible airport. The pilot was "RIGHT". He is JUSTIFIED by the judge.

Revelation 12:10 says that Satan "accuses the brethren day and night". Unbeknown to the average Christian, there is a continual, never-ending ASSIZE in heaven. God is the judge. Prosecution is by Satan. Defense is by Jesus Christ our Advocate. Satan says to God; "Look at Corban. He sinned five times to day". God looks at Corban and nods His head. "Yes. FIVE TIMES! Cast him into the furnace of affliction!" The Defense Table cries; "May I speak?" God says; "Speak." Jesus Christ says; "This man Corban has cast his lot with Me. He has buried himself in me. He has believed INTO me (lit.Gk.). My portion and standing is his!" God looks upon a Perfect Jesus and says, "I find NO FAULT with Jesus, and as Corban is hid in Jesus, therefore the case is dismissed!" Corban is justified WITH THE JUSTIFICATION OF CHRIST BECAUSE HE BELIEVED INTO JESUS! His relationship with God is intact. No affliction can be administered by God, for it has already landed on Jesus at Golgotha.

But Corban has not escaped! One of the five sins that day was that he judged a brother's motives, defamed him and did not forgive him. God the Father has given all judgement into the hands of the MAN Jesus (Jn.5:22). Corban was warned in both Romans 14:10 and 2nd Corinthians 5:10 that he would one day stand and answer to JESUS, - not the Father. And that day of Rapture to the Bema (the traveling throne of Jesus) comes suddenly. Now Corban must answer to HIS HEAD - Jesus "for every work done in his body". This Judge does not judge whether Corban is protected by Christ's death or not. He judges if Corban was OBEDIENT to his HEAD! It is not eternal salvation at stake here, but whether Corban is fit to rule with Christ (Lk.19:17-19). And so, just a Saul looses his kingship for DISOBEDIENCE, so Corban is not make co-king with Christ. Corban is NOT justified here. He did not forgive his brother. He must go to jail until the last penny of debt TO JESUS is paid (Matt.18:34).

Is Corban still a Christian? Yes, for that is by faith. Is Corban a son of God? Yes, for that is by faith. Is Corban still of the heavenly calling (Heb.3:1)? Yes, for the calling of God is without repentance. Will Corban go to the Lake of Fire? No, because he believed (FAITH) in the work of Jesus. All These things were achievd by Jesus. They cannot be overturned because the Father has approved them. But will Corban be named as co-king with Jesus as He rules the nations with a rod of iron? NO! He has proved that he cannot carry out the orders of his King. IN THIS HE IS NOT JUSTIFIED!

 

[oyster67]

Justified simply means to be made clean in the eyes of The Father. It happens when we are born again and covered by the Blood of Jesus.

 

[Magenta]

Justification is our legal standing before God. We are declared righteous by being clothed/covered by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ, Who took on flesh to walk this world and give Himself as ransom for many, those being all who would believe. Jesus paid the sin debt due to His great and everlasting love for us, that we may be reconciled to God and attain to life ever after

 

[p_rehbein]

Sir:

Why are you revisiting this subject? You already have a Thread concerning Justification. Was that not sufficient enough?

https://christianchat.com/threads/j...pable-of-achieving-on-their-own.193119/unread

 

[DorothyMae]

Sometimes I wonder if those who try to justify themselves by deeds really experienced deep repentance and his amazing forgiveness.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Why are you revisiting this subject? You already have a Thread concerning Justification. Was that not sufficient enough?

Even with two threads, Peter is not really clear about this matter. Nor is he able to understand that he loves creating a straw man argument and claiming that Christians believe this kind of rubbish: "And yet most of us believe by way of our actions that we somehow need to find a way within our own thinking on how to justify ourselves." This enables him to knock Christians on the head even while failing to understand the three tenses of salvation.

As we know from the Scripture relating to the Pharisee and the Publican, it was the Pharisee who tried to justify himself. Pharisees believed that they could be righteous before God through Torah observance, without really being righteous within. But no Bible-believing Christian tries to justify himself or herself.

1. Justification has been rightly understood to mean "just-as-if-I-have-not-sinned". This matches the meaning of the Greek word dikaioo.
Strong's Concordance
dikaioó: to show to be righteous, declare righteous
Original Word: δικαιόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: dikaioó
Phonetic Spelling: (dik-ah-yo'-o)
Definition: to show to be righteous, declare righteous
Usage: I make righteous, defend the cause of, plead for the righteousness (innocence) of, acquit, justify; hence: I regard as righteous.

2. As the Bible says "there is NONE righteous, no not one". Therefore it is purely by the grace of God that God DECLARES a vile, guilty sinner to be righteous. But the marvel of God's grace is that He declares the one who repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ TO BE AS RIGHTEOUS AS CHRIST HIMSELF. This boggles the mind, and can hardly be understood even by believers.

3. So the question arises: On what grounds can God -- the righteous Judge -- declare a guilty sinner to be just as if he had not sinned? How can He be just while justifying sinners? And the answer lies in what Christ accomplished on the cross, when He paid the penalty for the sins of the whole world.

4. This verse in Scripture makes it clear that God can justly justify those who believe on Christ: For He [God the Father] hath made Him [Christ, the Lamb of God] to be SIN for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. (2 Cor 5:21).

5. What this means is that when the Lamb of God suffered, and bled, and died on the cross of Calvary in 30 AD, God the Father placed the SIN of the whole world upon His holy soul in order to take it away (John 1:29). He who knew (or committed) no sin -- the one who was holy, harmless, undefiled, and separate from sinners -- was literally made the embodiment of all sin, evil, and wickedness. And then God's wrath was poured out upon Him as the very embodiment of sin. Hence the whole world was totally dark for three hours. This too is beyond fathoming by the human mind. Yet because of this there would be no more sacrifice for sins. Divine justice was satisfied at the cross.

6. Now whenever a sinner truly repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ, God places the *robe* of the righteousness of Christ upon that person, and regards that believer as having been justified by grace. He or she is DECLARED to be righteous in the sight of God. At the same time the blood of Christ cleanses that person's soul, and his/her sins are all remitted or forgiven. This is also accompanied by the New Birth, so the believer actually becomes "a new creature in Christ".

7. But justification is not the same as sanctification. Having been justified, we are commanded to live "soberly, righteously, and godly" in this present world. Justification is not a license to sin, but a reason to be righteous before God and men: For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; (Titus 2:11,12).

 

[Peterlag]

Even with two threads, Peter is not really clear about this matter. Nor is he able to understand that he loves creating a straw man argument and claiming that Christians believe this kind of rubbish: "And yet most of us believe by way of our actions that we somehow need to find a way within our own thinking on how to justify ourselves." This enables him to knock Christians on the head even while failing to understand the three tenses of salvation.

As we know from the Scripture relating to the Pharisee and the Publican, it was the Pharisee who tried to justify himself. Pharisees believed that they could be righteous before God through Torah observance, without really being righteous within. But no Bible-believing Christian tries to justify himself or herself.

1. Justification has been rightly understood to mean "just-as-if-I-have-not-sinned". This matches the meaning of the Greek word dikaioo.
Strong's Concordance
dikaioó: to show to be righteous, declare righteous
Original Word: δικαιόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: dikaioó
Phonetic Spelling: (dik-ah-yo'-o)
Definition: to show to be righteous, declare righteous
Usage: I make righteous, defend the cause of, plead for the righteousness (innocence) of, acquit, justify; hence: I regard as righteous.

2. As the Bible says "there is NONE righteous, no not one". Therefore it is purely by the grace of God that God DECLARES a vile, guilty sinner to be righteous. But the marvel of God's grace is that He declares the one who repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ TO BE AS RIGHTEOUS AS CHRIST HIMSELF. This boggles the mind, and can hardly be understood even by believers.

3. So the question arises: On what grounds can God -- the righteous Judge -- declare a guilty sinner to be just as if he had not sinned? How can He be just while justifying sinners? And the answer lies in what Christ accomplished on the cross, when He paid the penalty for the sins of the whole world.

4. This verse in Scripture makes it clear that God can justly justify those who believe on Christ: For He [God the Father] hath made Him [Christ, the Lamb of God] to be SIN for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. (2 Cor 5:21).

5. What this means is that when the Lamb of God suffered, and bled, and died on the cross of Calvary in 30 AD, God the Father placed the SIN of the whole world upon His holy soul in order to take it away (John 1:29). He who knew (or committed) no sin -- the one who was holy, harmless, undefiled, and separate from sinners -- was literally made the embodiment of all sin, evil, and wickedness. And then God's wrath was poured out upon Him as the very embodiment of sin. Hence the whole world was totally dark for three hours.
This too is beyond fathoming by the human mind. Yet because of this there would be no more sacrifice for sins. Divine justice was satisfied at the cross.

6. Now whenever a sinner truly repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ, God places the *robe* of the righteousness of Christ upon that person, and regards that believer as having been justified by grace. He or she is DECLARED to be righteous in the sight of God. At the same time the blood of Christ cleanses that person's soul, and his/her sins are all remitted or forgiven. This is also accompanied by the New Birth, so the believer actually becomes "a new creature in Christ".

7. But justification is not the same as sanctification. Having been justified, we are commanded to live "soberly, righteously, and godly" in this present world. Justification is not a license to sin, but a reason to be righteous before God and men: For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; (Titus 2:11,12).

I made it longer. I would delete the shorter one if I knew how.

 

[p_rehbein]

You could have just added to the first one though.........just saying........ anyway, thank you for the explanation

The reason it makes a difference is that several Members posted comments on the 1st Thread and now they have to repost here IF they want to participate on this Thread..........

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I made it longer. I would delete the shorter one if I knew how.

You could have just added to the first one though.........just saying........ anyway, thank you for the explanation

The reason it makes a difference is that several Members posted comments on the 1st Thread and now they have to repost here IF they want to participate on this Thread..........

I just compared what was submitted as OP in the first thread and what was submitted as OP in this thread.

The only addition in this thread is the last two lines where we are directed to a website. Otherwise the OP in this thread is word-for-word the same as the OP in the first thread.

Peterlag ... I used a compare feature in my software application ... perhaps there is additional text that my software did not pick up. Please clarify if that is the case. Thank you.

 

[Magenta]

I made it longer. I would delete the shorter one if I knew how.

I am not sure about threads (because I have created so few of them myself), but with posts, there exists a five minute window within which one may edit, or delete the post entirely. Creating a thread and wanting it deleted later does happen from time to time, but the mods will not normally delete a thread simply because the creator of that thread desires it to be deleted.

 

[Peterlag]

I just compared what was submitted as OP in the first thread and what was submitted as OP in this thread.

The only addition in this thread is the last two lines where we are directed to a website. Otherwise the OP in this thread is word-for-word the same as the OP in the first thread.

Peterlag ... I used a compare feature in my software application ... perhaps there is additional text that my software did not pick up. Please clarify if that is the case. Thank you.

Yes I added a couple more paragraphs and not just a link at the bottom.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Yes I added a couple more paragraphs and not just a link at the bottom.

hmmm ... my software must be faulty ... yikes, cuz I work in the legal field and I compare documents regularly to see what changes have been made and then I submit my findings to my manager. hope/pray I have not given faulty information relating to contracts we have entered into ...

 

[oyster67]

I made it longer. I would delete the shorter one if I knew how.

I wish you could limit all your posts to 15 words.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I wish you could limit all your posts to 15 words.

Or less. Less is more.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

Justification has not come about because of anything believers are capable of achieving on their own. The power and mercy of God alone has established this new relationship, and this is why the believer’s role is simply to believe and accept. Justification deals with the relationship between God and Christ in the bond of the covenant between them, which started when God raised Jesus Christ out from among the dead. Justification is made available to us because it's Christ Jesus, who has this covenant with God and thereby has complete liberation from the nature of sin. We have this changeover from the state of injustice to the state of justice, from being the accused to being declared innocent because of this personal relationship Jesus Christ has with God.

I believe we can be justified by our deeds in Christ, as they show people and Jesus that we believe in him. If we did nothing that was justifiable and didnt have the heart at least then we would not be justified. I would not go as far as to say we cannot achieve it but i wouldnt not say we can achieve it either. Its like grace, its free but requires sacrifice. Even gifts from people are, earned, because we connect with the person that gave us a gift, and have a relationship and give things to this person, and have established a friendship/partnership with this person. I think things with God are exactly the same, all relationships are give and take.