And what percent of Judah is desert? There is no room for Islamics, because they are relentless enemies who would exterminate the Jews in Israel. There is plenty of room for them all in Jordan.
KILLINGS OF PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS BY ISRAELI FORCES
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And what percent of Judah is desert? There is no room for Islamics, because they are relentless enemies who would exterminate the Jews in Israel. There is plenty of room for them all in Jordan.
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KILLINGS OF JEWS BY SATANIC ISLAMICS IN ERETZ ISRAEL
Because you have said,
These two nations and these two countries [Israel & Judah]
shall be mine, and we will possess it;
whereas Jehovah was there: therefore, as I live, saith the Lord Jehovah, I will do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast showed out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I shall judge thee. And thou shalt know that I, Jehovah, have heard all thy revilings which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to devour. And ye have magnified yourselves against me with your mouth, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard it. Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate. As thou didst rejoice over the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Edom, even all of it; and they shall know that I am Jehovah.
And thou, son of man, prophesy unto the mountains of Israel, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of Jehovah. Thus saith the Lord Jehovah:
Because the enemy hath said against you, Aha! and, The ancient high places are ours in possession;
therefore prophesy, and say, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Because, even because they have made you desolate, and swallowed you up on every side, that ye might be a possession unto the residue of the nations, and ye are taken up in the lips of talkers, and the evil report of the people; therefore, ye mountains of Israel,
hear the word of the Lord Jehovah:
Thus saith the Lord Jehovah to the mountains and to the hills, to the watercourses and to the valleys, to the desolate wastes and to the cities that are forsaken, which are become a prey and derision to the residue of the nations that are round about; therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the nations, and against all Edom, that have appointed my land unto themselves for a possession with the joy of all their heart, with despite of soul, to cast it out for a prey.
Therefore prophesy concerning the land of Israel, and say unto the mountains and to the hills, to the watercourses and to the valleys, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I have spoken in my jealousy and in my wrath, because ye have borne the shame of the nations: therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: I have sworn, saying, Surely the nations that are round about you, they shall bear their shame.
-Ezek 35
Because you have said,
These two nations and these two countries [Israel & Judah]
shall be mine, and we will possess it;
whereas Jehovah was there: therefore, as I live, saith the Lord Jehovah, I will do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast showed out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I shall judge thee. And thou shalt know that I, Jehovah, have heard all thy revilings which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to devour. And ye have magnified yourselves against me with your mouth, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard it. Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate. As thou didst rejoice over the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Edom, even all of it; and they shall know that I am Jehovah.
And thou, son of man, prophesy unto the mountains of Israel, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of Jehovah. Thus saith the Lord Jehovah:
Because the enemy hath said against you, Aha! and, The ancient high places are ours in possession;
therefore prophesy, and say, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Because, even because they have made you desolate, and swallowed you up on every side, that ye might be a possession unto the residue of the nations, and ye are taken up in the lips of talkers, and the evil report of the people; therefore, ye mountains of Israel,
hear the word of the Lord Jehovah:
Thus saith the Lord Jehovah to the mountains and to the hills, to the watercourses and to the valleys, to the desolate wastes and to the cities that are forsaken, which are become a prey and derision to the residue of the nations that are round about; therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the nations, and against all Edom, that have appointed my land unto themselves for a possession with the joy of all their heart, with despite of soul, to cast it out for a prey.
Therefore prophesy concerning the land of Israel, and say unto the mountains and to the hills, to the watercourses and to the valleys, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I have spoken in my jealousy and in my wrath, because ye have borne the shame of the nations: therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: I have sworn, saying, Surely the nations that are round about you, they shall bear their shame.
-Ezek 35
Displaced by whom?
By people like Hamas.
The palestinian's homeland is in Jordan and Syria, not Israel. If the arabs/muslims cared so much for the palestinians, they would not use them and force them into Israel to cause this conflict.
You miss the entire point that this conflict is not about oppressed palestinians. Its about hatred of jews, their elimination and their enemies using these people as an excuse to....
TRY TO KILL EVERY JEW IN ISRAEL.
The entire palestinian issue was manufactured.
Israel has offered many peace plans all rejected by those people who....
WANT EVERY JEW IN ISRAEL DEAD.
Why does Hamas or whatever other group is terrorizing Israel today, reject these plans? Because they offer security for Israel.
Why doesn't Hamas want Israel secure? Because they want.....
EVERY JEW IN ISRAEL DEAD.
If Hamas was so worried about the palestinians, why do they hide their missiles in...schools?
Why does their missiles fall in palestinian lands?
Let me ask another related question...how did Yasar Aarfat get rich?
The same way Hamas is, using the palestinians.
The only peace plan MUST insure Israel's security.
Hamas won't do that.
Because of that palestinians die.
Kinda thought you guys were edumacated.
guess not
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The scholarly consensus is that much of Isaiah 1–39 can be referred to the eighth-century Isaiah of Jerusalem with all of it relevant to that period.
Chapters 1-39 in the Book of Isaiah deal primarily with Judah and Jerusalem at a time when the city was still standing and when the southern kingdom was threatened with invasion by the Assyrians.
(Note: a careful reading reveals that the prophet Isaiah did not write all of the first thirty-nine chapters. Ample evidence indicates the work of several different authors. The editors who assembled the entire collection of manuscripts placed them all under the name of Isaiah because they were quite certain of those materials that belonged to him, and putting them all together indicated their location in the sacred writings rather than precise authorship of each part).
Though the oracles in Chapters 1-35 are not always in chronological order, most of them are authentic oracles of Proto-Isaiah. Chapters 1 to 12 are oracles concerning Judah and Jerusalem in antiquity.
After an introduction there are various oracles on the moral degeneration of the people and their religious hypocrisy, with warnings of punishment and destruction, including the beautiful parable of the desolate vineyard of Israel.
In Chapters 1-39, Isaiah points out the sins of both North and South Kingdoms. He then declares severe punishment to them and all the neighboring nations around them, “Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight Cease to do evil” (1:16). He proclaims great hope of the coming Savior, “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel” (7:14), this passage was fulfilled in Matthew 1:22-24, in the New Testament.
The prophecies were fulfilled in antiquity. Isaiah 1 is NOT a modern prophecy to the present world population that God's going to wipe out the modern state of Israel (which has been resurrected as per His will and promise) and everyone in the world who supports the modern state of Israel too.
Your assertion is COMPLETELY false and reveals that you are fundamentally ignorant with respect to the Book of Isaiah. I'm a straight A M.Div. and you've just blundered really badly with Isaiah 1.
There's plenty of unfulfilled prophecy relevant for our present historical period that speak of judgment and calamity, that's just not one of them.
I'm sorry that you live in a world of make believe but it's your choice to remain in that place of ignorance.
Chapters 1-39 in the Book of Isaiah deal primarily with Judah and Jerusalem at a time when the city was still standing and when the southern kingdom was threatened with invasion by the Assyrians.
(Note: a careful reading reveals that the prophet Isaiah did not write all of the first thirty-nine chapters. Ample evidence indicates the work of several different authors. The editors who assembled the entire collection of manuscripts placed them all under the name of Isaiah because they were quite certain of those materials that belonged to him, and putting them all together indicated their location in the sacred writings rather than precise authorship of each part).
Though the oracles in Chapters 1-35 are not always in chronological order, most of them are authentic oracles of Proto-Isaiah. Chapters 1 to 12 are oracles concerning Judah and Jerusalem in antiquity.
After an introduction there are various oracles on the moral degeneration of the people and their religious hypocrisy, with warnings of punishment and destruction, including the beautiful parable of the desolate vineyard of Israel.
In Chapters 1-39, Isaiah points out the sins of both North and South Kingdoms. He then declares severe punishment to them and all the neighboring nations around them, “Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight Cease to do evil” (1:16). He proclaims great hope of the coming Savior, “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel” (7:14), this passage was fulfilled in Matthew 1:22-24, in the New Testament.
The prophecies were fulfilled in antiquity. Isaiah 1 is NOT a modern prophecy to the present world population that God's going to wipe out the modern state of Israel (which has been resurrected as per His will and promise) and everyone in the world who supports the modern state of Israel too.
Your assertion is COMPLETELY false and reveals that you are fundamentally ignorant with respect to the Book of Isaiah. I'm a straight A M.Div. and you've just blundered really badly with Isaiah 1.
There's plenty of unfulfilled prophecy relevant for our present historical period that speak of judgment and calamity, that's just not one of them.
I'm sorry that you live in a world of make believe but it's your choice to remain in that place of ignorance.
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TheClimaxWarrior
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Drett. One thing is very clear in the Word of the Lord. We are to pray, bless and support Israel, regardless of what their motives are.
Why are we commanded to pray, bless and support Israel? Man is the creator of all other nations. GOD created the nation of Israel according to His minds eye.
Deuteronomy chapter 34 clearly states what GOD has done for the nation of Israel no other god(s) have ever accomplished such a feat and what we can learn from the chapter is this. GOD Word is irrefutable and solid fact. I stand my ground on this one, as Israel is the home of our LORD JESUS and His Kingdom will reside there in Jerusalem, once again.
I mourn for the people of Gaza and the innocent. However, Gaza is under evil tyrant leaders, whom supported the kidnapping of three teenage boys and assassinated them, this was June or May. And uses their own as human shields a heinous act. Whether we agree with their decision or not, regardless we are to support Israel as they have every right to defend themselves as any other nation would.
A bit of trivia for you. Did you know Australia/NZ was the only nations who supported Israel in World War 1, did you know that. And again in World War 2.
Psalm 122:6 KJV
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6 [/SUP]Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
HISTORY
Throughout its history Australia has had good international relations with Israel. Australian troops played a significant role as part of the British forces in the area in WW1, especially the Light Horse at the Battle of Beersheba. The ANZACs also contributed greatly in WWII. Australia was the first to vote in support of Israel at the UN Partition plan passed by the UN on November 29, 1947. Full diplomatic relations were officially established in 1949. Australia has had excellent trade relations with Israel and both sides of politics have supported Israel ever since. However, there has been a trend in the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century by many in Australian politics to reverse or weaken this long-standing relationship.
- cited: Israel policy statement journal 1984
From World War 1 Australia was a prosperous country, until the 70's when Australia started turning it's back on GOD. Then GOD lifted the prosperity from Australia due the the acceptance of general liberation according to the worlds view not GOD's vision nor plan.
If I was Prime Minister of New Zealand. I would support Israel so my country can be blessed and prosperous in GOD's mind eye.
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So Warrior, you are of the Land of Oz.
I heard the claim some time ago that Australia had never been evangelized -- strong pagan background? Is that false?
ON-GOING MURDER OF JEWS BY ISLAMICS IN ISRAEL
On the Bible, I don't know of much "scholarly consensus." There is much scholarly nonsensus, not to mention brass-knuckles quarreling.
"Relevant" is an ambiguous term. All of Isaiah is relevant, and always has been. Actually there is some striking Messianic prophecy there which was not fulfilled in VIII BC.
For those who don't know it, it has been somewhat popular to speak of the OT & NT of Isaiah, as it has 66 chapters (cf. 66 books of the Bible) ch 1-39 = the OT of Isaiah, 40-66 = the NT of Isaiah. If you start reading at 40 you see the support for this POV.
I'm not sure what your "Age of Knowledge" is.
On the Bible, I don't know of much "scholarly consensus." There is much scholarly nonsensus, not to mention brass-knuckles quarreling.
"Relevant" is an ambiguous term. All of Isaiah is relevant, and always has been. Actually there is some striking Messianic prophecy there which was not fulfilled in VIII BC.
For those who don't know it, it has been somewhat popular to speak of the OT & NT of Isaiah, as it has 66 chapters (cf. 66 books of the Bible) ch 1-39 = the OT of Isaiah, 40-66 = the NT of Isaiah. If you start reading at 40 you see the support for this POV.
I'm not sure what your "Age of Knowledge" is.
A Careful reading of your off-topic long post, reveals that you make a lot of assertions for which you give no proof. How do you know all that stuff? Who are these editors, when did they live? What are your ancient contemporary sources for this?
that you haven't a shred of evidence for your pontifications.
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TheClimaxWarrior
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Oh no Australia have strong Christian leaders. Whoever implied Australia has never been Evangelized must come from a very narrow minded man. I mean seriously? The country of Australia is of the first world, and most certainly well developed in all facets of life. I will leave the rest up to you but don't believe everything you hear.
Christianity still less than 35% in Australia but strong in the states of Australia and definitely in the hearts of the people. If you count Catholicism 25% as pagan-ship then yes you will be correct 65% in total. But, GOD is bigger than that.
Christianity still less than 35% in Australia but strong in the states of Australia and definitely in the hearts of the people. If you count Catholicism 25% as pagan-ship then yes you will be correct 65% in total. But, GOD is bigger than that.
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Sorry I should have welcomed you earlier. I am not Christian by the way. I am a Muslim.
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TheClimaxWarrior
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Drett,
Hello...now I understand your plight from a Muslims perspective. Obviously, you must know the history of what is going on in Israel. And from the Word of GOD - JESUS, Israel will be subjected to more in the time to come. However, I cannot stand next to you and rally next to you against Israel.
Islam has invaded Israel numerous times and for every action there is a reaction. They are defending what is rightfully there's...LIFE!!!
Islam has been slaughtering Islam a fair bit this year and I bore witness to a gruesome death of Christian man told to denounce himself as a Christian to become a Muslim. When he did they denied and said he was not true, and started to slice brutally at his neck. I posted the link on my Facebook, which started a thread of over 3,0000 comments. The majority were Muslim and ruling was Muslim didn't know this was even going on and were blatantly ashamed as they proceeded to do exact onto his family. I stopped the video before it went that far. My heart was broken. It was also very disgusting.
I am a Christian, not Catholic, LDS, COC, SDA, Mormonism and any other denomination that does not believe in the deity of the LORD JESUS as the Son of GOD and is GOD. And is the 2nd person of the GODHEAD bodily.
I am not going to ask you why is this alright to slaughter innocent people at the hands of Islam worldwide and when Israel comes to the helm to protect themselves. Foul play is cried out loud, yet whose crying HYPOCRISY against Islam.
For me, if that is what Islam is all about and quite frankly the god of Islam is not a merciful god at all because quite frankly allah does not exist and never did. Islam to me is an evil sect full of hatred and works to get your god of nothingness. I have yet to find that the god of Islam is a god of love in the Koran there is nothing that says allah is a god of love.
1 John 4:19 We love Him for He first love us.
That in interpretation is the Christian GOD who love His Children and for the lost who might turn to Him.
1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
That in interpretation is he that loves but does not know our GOD - JESUS cannot claim he knows love. For our GOD is pure love.
If you can find text in the Koran to match just those two verses(as there is many verses declaring the love of our GOD) the my bad. I take back what I've said and your god is not an evil tyrant. I know for a fact you can't and because of this I won't never ever denounce JESUS.
I can't as I am too much of a coward as Hell is very real.
The posts on this thread show just how the muslims love to muddy the water regarding the existance of Israel. We have all this confusing and never ending round of borders and who should give what back to whom, when the real crux of the matter is that all they want is Israel to be in rubble with every Jew dead and an Islamic nation built on top of the rubble with no trace that Israel or Jews existed and will not stop until that goal is reached.
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Fishbait
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Jesus spoke about some people in this world. Some are here in CC. Think of these words when you come across them:
“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools” (Romans 1:22).
Ensanta has told us his plans, "My time here will be to serve the axis powers of evil and bring down all that is 'moral'" and has made it clear that he is one the Bible warned us about:
“Fools speak foolishness and make evil plans” (Isaiah 32:6).
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Well, Agricola, I don't disagree with your presentation of their mentality, but in matter of fact (I think you will agree) they will be stopped before that goal is reached. But Israel must go through a tribulation yet to come.
Thanks for the info. Climax, do you mind sharing with me if you were born in Australia? What is your native language?
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The bloody reality is this fight is really between God & Satan. Ever since Satan was kicked out of the Third Heaven, he has been after the Jews with a evil passion to destroy them ,and using the Arab world as his instrument to destroy Israel as a way to retaliate against God. Eventually, Satan will turn the world against God's chosen people. We are seeing some of the bible major prophesies about to be fulfilled before Christ return. What a time to be alive.
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Christians should all recognise that Israel will not fall, Arab nations have been dumbfounded as to why they have not been able to win a war against ISrael, despite the overwhelming numbers and equipment they had. Yes the Jews are being gathered for the final judgement.
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HUH!!! Maybe Gaza should invest in its money into fire trucks & equipment (fire departments) rather than the importation of bombs venture.