KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

[KJV1611]

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,so the only way Christ can come forth from the Father is according to His humanity,for it cannot be according to His deity for Jesus has no beginning.

That's what I'm saying.

 

[graceNpeace]

He was the Captain of the Host that Joshua bowed to, he was I AM that I AM, he was the fire in the burning bush. Same eternal being that God prepared an earthly body for.

In other words God...

So Jesus Christ is God.
The Father is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
But they are not three gods they are one in essence (Godness).
One God yet three distinct beings...
Trinitarian!

There is no one verse that will cover this - but many hundreds together do - hence my clear suggestion to find a resource (preferably a Reformed source) to get a formal treatment of the subject.

 

[KJV1611]

In other words God...

So Jesus Christ is God.
The Father is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
But they are not three gods they are one is essence (Godness).
One God yet three distinct beings...
Trinitarian!

I've already given my opinion on that, I'm not arguing that the Godhead doesn't exist, I'm arguing that Jesus the eternal God did not "come out" of the Father.

 

[KJV1611]

In other words God...

So Jesus Christ is God.
The Father is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
But they are not three gods they are one in essence (Godness).
One God yet three distinct beings...
Trinitarian!

There is no one verse that will cover this - but many hundreds together do - hence my clear suggestion to find a resource (preferably a Reformed source) to get a formal treatment of the subject.

Can you just give one verse that supports Jesus coming out of the Father?

 

[preston39]

I had to Google the Athanasian creed... I dont know if I agree with it or not. Like I said earlier, the godhead is hard to understand.

K....,

It can be a challenge. See if this helps;

G-d always has been/ Christ has not
G-d created all/Christ did not
Christ was born of a virgin birth/ G-d was not.
Christ laid down His life on the cross/G-d did not.
Christ arose from the dead/ G-d did not.
Christ ascended into Heaven/G-d did not.
Christ sent us The Comforter ( The Holy Spirit) G-d did not.
Christ will return and His 2nd advent/ G-d will not.
G-d knows the day and hour of Christs' 2nd advent/ Christ does not.

There can be several more items listed..but, one gets the message.

The Trinity is alive and well.

 

[KJV1611]

K....,

It can be a challenge. See if this helps;

G-d always has been/ Christ has not
G-d created all/Christ did not
Christ was born of a virgin birth/ G-d was not.
Christ laid down His life on the cross/G-d did not.
Christ arose from the dead/ G-d did not.
Christ ascended into Heaven/G-d did not.
Christ sent us The Comforter ( The Holy Spirit) G-d did not.
Christ will return and His 2nd advent/ G-d will not.
G-d knows the day and hour of Christs' 2nd advent/ Christ does not.

There can be several more items listed..but, one gets the message.

The Trinity is alive and well.

Point 1 - God always has been but Christ has not been.

Why do you not believe that Christ is eternal?

 

[preston39]

Point 1 - God always has been but Christ has not been.

Why do you not believe that Christ is eternal?

K...,

I didn't mean to infer that...if I did. But, Christ, as we know Him from being here on earth...did not exist as G-d did.

The future existence of Christ was provided for in the OT. He appeared as our savior in the NT.

 

[KJV1611]

K...,

I didn't mean to infer that...if I did.

The future existence of Christ was provided for in the OT. He appeared in the NT.

I'm confuse lol. If Christ didn't exist in the old testament then when did he come into existance? And if he has a beginning, how is he eternal?

 

[graceNpeace]

I've already given my opinion on that, I'm not arguing that the Godhead doesn't exist, I'm arguing that Jesus the eternal God did not "come out" of the Father.

No, not in the sense of being created - and I have affirmed that several times in the last few posts.

 

[KJV1611]

No, not in the sense of being created - and I have affirmed that several times in the last few posts.

So what does coing out of God mean. That's a very ambiguous statement and as I asked before, where is that found in the bible? Just one verse.

 

[graceNpeace]

K....,

It can be a challenge. See if this helps;

G-d always has been/ Christ has not
G-d created all/Christ did not

Cannot agree with this...
Check out John chapter 1 for verification.
John chapter 1 explicitly contradicts this...

 

[MarcR]

We have debated the meaning of the word "begotten" with you before.
Unfortunately you reject the meaning of the word in the original language (Greek) and therefore impose your own meaning.
Your assumption is that your understanding of the English word trumps the meaning of the original Greek word when in actual fact it should be the other way around.

And the sad result is your incredible admission, right now, that you believe that the Jesus Christ that walked the earth 2000 years ago is not the same eternal Jesus Christ currently seated at the right hand of the Father!

From what Gabriel told Mary we can deduce that by means of the Holy Spirit God (probably the Father) inseminated Mary without compromising her virginity. That is the usual and most common sense of begotten.

Begotten has the legal sense of direct descent as opposed to adoption.

Ps 2:7
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
KJV


this day hah yom is the day this is the definite article 'the'. the demonstrative pronoun zeh or zoht signifying this or that is absent

 

[KJV1611]

From what Gabriel told Mary we can deduce that by means of the Holy Spirit God (probably the Father) inseminated Mary without compromising her virginity. That is the usual and most common sense of begotten.

Begotten has the legal sense of direct descent as opposed to adoption.

Ps 2:7
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
KJV


this day hah yom is the day this is the definite article 'the'. the demonstrative pronoun zeh or zoht signifying this or that is absent

Amen to the first part.... I don't understand the last sentence lol.

 

[Magenta]

From what Gabriel told Mary we can deduce that by means of the Holy Spirit God (probably the Father) inseminated Mary without compromising her virginity. That is the usual and most common sense of begotten.

Begotten has the legal sense of direct descent as opposed to adoption.

Ps 2:7
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
KJV

this day hah yom is the day this is the definite article 'the'. the demonstrative pronoun zeh or zoht signifying this or that is absent

It always amazed me that some people could accept that God
created the universe out of nothing (so to speak, by simply
saying "Let there be... ") but then those same people would
find it hard to believe that God could cause a virgin woman
to conceive without the use of a sperm from a man

 

[KJV1611]

It always amazed me that some people could accept that God
created the universe out of nothing (so to speak, by simply
saying "Let there be... ") but then those same people would
find it hard to believe that God could cause a virgin woman
to conceive without the use of a sperm from a man

Sperm is nothing more than DNA... words.

 

[MarcR]

Amen to the first part.... I don't understand the last sentence lol.

In Hebrew 'zoht' means the same as the English word 'this' and 'zeh' means the same as the English word 'that'

The words this and that are demonstrative pronouns only because that is what English grammarians chose to call them.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I understand the concept of one being but what do you mean by three persons? How is three persons not exactly the same as three beings?

That's the common thought of the Triune Godhead. One person, yet three Beings. God the Father is God, the Christ is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Three Beings, one person. That's the best I know how to explain it.

 

[SovereignGrace]

K....,

It can be a challenge. See if this helps;

G-d always has been/ Christ has not
G-d created all/Christ did not
Christ was born of a virgin birth/ G-d was not.
Christ laid down His life on the cross/G-d did not.
Christ arose from the dead/ G-d did not.
Christ ascended into Heaven/G-d did not.
Christ sent us The Comforter ( The Holy Spirit) G-d did not.
Christ will return and His 2nd advent/ G-d will not.
G-d knows the day and hour of Christs' 2nd advent/ Christ does not.

There can be several more items listed..but, one gets the message.

The Trinity is alive and well.

This heretical post is being reported.

 

[KJV1611]

This heretical post is being reported.

Let's try to help him instead of banning him.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Let's try to help him instead of banning him.

That's highly unlikely, imo. Ppl of his ilk are unteachable.