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The what are you saying
No , what you think I'm saying, is Not what I'm saying... When you say '' are you saying''; I notice when you say that, it ends in a false assumption; with preconceptions about what I have said. ..........
Your adding in something your confused about, to my statement which is documented.
Your trying to see where scriptures is suppose to fit into your view.
Rather you should ask; how can you aline with what the scriptures say.
If something is not gelling, then ask your self if you got something wrong, or are misunderstanding something or some one.
Maybe I got it wrong even. But at least document what you are talking about and Why from scriptures.
Then try to study. But don't hold onto something that may be false if you see its documented from scripture, and don't assume things about what I have said .Because that leads to confusion.
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hmm your msg is conveyed to me that you said the 7th trump is the last trump
The bible does not teach that
It says in the day of the 7th angel the mystery shall be finish and it signals the return of Jesus return
What mystery hmmmm
Jesus come with the last trump note The bible call it the trump of God thus Jesus raised the dead with the trump of God which is the 8th trumpet
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nathan3
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Document, where it is written; that there is a 8th trump . Where is that written ? Lets start with that. Or was that a typo ?
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Where is it written, there are 8 Trumps: And, that Christ is the one who blows the 8th ? Please post scriptures that document that .
hmm lets see document where it say this is the second resurrection hmmm something to think about hmmmm
The trump of God is the last trump and the 8TH TRUMP HMMM no typo hmmmmm
we know ther are two resurrection but can you find a vewrse that spell out that this is the second resurrection hmmmm
think about please shew me the verse that SPELLs out second resurrection hmmmmm
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Well if you want to have a conversation , how can that be possible, if your making statements that I can't even ask you about?
If the conversation is from the Bible, and you cant document what you say, this makes it even more impossible .
I asked, and you respond with another question ; rather then answer... If you document what you are saying, like I asked, then That allows the conversation to progress at least .
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hmmm Jesus did the same remember when the pharasees asked Him a question hmm He answered by asking a question as to how can david have a son and yet call his son Lord hmm looks like I got it from Jesus
but on a real note many say including you that because they do not see 8TH TRUMPET spelled out in black and white well that there is none
hmmm sigh
Does the bible have do not smoke in black and white
hmm or that there will be a second resurrection we know it spell out that there wil be a FIRST HMM
thats my final answer hmmm
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hmmm Jesus did the same remember when the pharasees asked Him a question hmm He answered by asking a question as to how can david have a son and yet call his son Lord hmm looks like I got it from Jesus
but on a real note many say including you that because they do not see 8TH TRUMPET spelled out in black and white well that there is none
hmmm sigh
Does the bible have do not smoke in black and white
hmm or that there will be a second resurrection we know it spell out that there wil be a FIRST HMM
thats my final answer hmmm
Well I'm not a Pharisee, Im a Christian, and you certainly are not Christ. So lets keep things simple; and document what you have stated. Because I will not carry on a conversation about imaginary scriptures.
You made a statement :
""""Jesus come with the last trump note The bible call it the trump of God thus Jesus raised the dead with the trump of God which is the 8th trumpet """".
I asked you to document that statement; you did not. The only reason why you wont answer ; I gather from what you have just stated is :
''' because they do not see 8TH TRUMPET spelled out in black and white well that there is none '' .
If the Bible dose have it written, then Yes there is No 8th trump... Anyone can make up anything if you do not study what is Written.
Your basically adding your traditions; claiming its in there, but you can't document it. You can't document it, because its not written...
By claiming emphatically that, there is a 8th trump , and that you don't have to document it, that scriptures dont matter..
Regardless if its to be found No where in scriptures ; other then in your own mind.
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This is so frustrating, that there is no discipline in the ranks of Christianity.
And I'm not asking for people to be perfect, but I expect to at least to carry on a conversation about the Word written with Christians of which our faith is based.
A follower of Christ, should be able to handle following a subject of what they read in their Bible and understand , what they are reading.
I'm no master reader , but at least I don't rush to conclusions even adding in traditions that are not there.
When people begin to resort to traditions of men, over God's words, that means there is a HUGE problem. It's just right for Satan. He will use it to his advantage.
And I'm not asking for people to be perfect, but I expect to at least to carry on a conversation about the Word written with Christians of which our faith is based.
A follower of Christ, should be able to handle following a subject of what they read in their Bible and understand , what they are reading.
I'm no master reader , but at least I don't rush to conclusions even adding in traditions that are not there.
When people begin to resort to traditions of men, over God's words, that means there is a HUGE problem. It's just right for Satan. He will use it to his advantage.
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I understand Isdaniel ; that some things in scriptures are not plainly stated, but after taking in the whole of scripture can a concept be grasped.
But when you say there is an 8th Trump, when all trumps in the ( Revelation of Christ ) state there are seven and each one is spelled out even telling us what happens within each. Then we should go to what the Revealing states.
If you feel I'm missing something. Please document why you believe there is an 8th from scripture, and Why it dose not state so in Revelation .
But when you say there is an 8th Trump, when all trumps in the ( Revelation of Christ ) state there are seven and each one is spelled out even telling us what happens within each. Then we should go to what the Revealing states.
If you feel I'm missing something. Please document why you believe there is an 8th from scripture, and Why it dose not state so in Revelation .
hmm just because someone disagrees with what you believe you find it frustrating hmm wake to reality anyhow did you find where it talks about the second resurrection still waiting ?
And if there is a second how di you arrive at it ?
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It is frustrating that you can't document what you say. yet that dose not stop you from passing it off as true and written. The Resurrection is not the subject of this thread, its the trumps.
Where talking about the trumps, which is serious of your pushing Christ arrival up to an imaginary 8th. By default it can form a false thought about Christ return and may sent people flying off into the air or bed with Satan .
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the question dose not make sense because I never made that statement. It comes from your way of speaking "" '' are you saying''; adding things into what I said.
I cant document your own preconceived notions
I'm not a theologian nor do I have a church doctrine to back this but I just read
ICorinthians 15 the entire chapter
Paul is clearly writing about the resurrection of Christ and victory over death
The verse being spoke of here seems to me to be referring to our salvation from sin
in that last momment we will be in heaven with Jesus
the trump is that the trumpet will announce this
it would be announcing the rapture or the second coming
The trump doesn't raise the dead Christ does the trump just announces it
that is how it reads to me anyhow
ICorinthians 15 the entire chapter
Paul is clearly writing about the resurrection of Christ and victory over death
The verse being spoke of here seems to me to be referring to our salvation from sin
in that last momment we will be in heaven with Jesus
the trump is that the trumpet will announce this
it would be announcing the rapture or the second coming
The trump doesn't raise the dead Christ does the trump just announces it
that is how it reads to me anyhow
I think it's talking about the people that were resurrected at Jesus' resurrection. The dead rose and the believers which were alive at time were changed in the twinkling of an eye and put on incorruption and immortality.
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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