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Chris1975 said:
Genesis 315 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between
your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.”

That's why it was not His Seed.
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The woman's seed was made from flesh and bone taken from the man's
body (Gen 2:21-23). Ergo; her seed had something of the man in it.

So then any progeny produced by her seed would be his progeny, i.e. he and
the woman's progeny would be blood kin; and thus her seed would be in his
line because she was in his line right from the get-go..

Bottom Line: If Jesus Christ is the seed spoken of in Gen 3:15, then he is
Adam's biological progeny by reason of Eve's flesh and bone being Adam's
flesh and bone.
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Chris1975 said:
was Eve separated from Adam BEFORE the curse came upon Adam's flesh?
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The man and the woman were one flesh right from the get-go (Gen 2:21-24) viz : they were united at the time of the forbidden fruit incident rather than separated.
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Webers.Home said:
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The woman's seed was made from flesh and bone taken from the man's
body (Gen 2:21-23). Ergo; her seed had something of the man in it.

So then any progeny produced by her seed would be his progeny, i.e. he and
the woman's progeny would be blood kin; and thus her seed would be in his
line because she was in his line right from the get-go..

Bottom Line: If Jesus Christ is the seed spoken of in Gen 3:15, then he is
Adam's biological progeny by reason of Eve's flesh and bone being Adam's
flesh and bone.
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Eve's flesh was uncorrupted by Adam's curse because it was separated from him before Adam's curse (sin nature) entered Adam's flesh. I know you would like to "prove" that Jesus was under Adam's curse (because I suspect you are an unbeliever, and your motive here is to overthrow the faith of some). If what you believe (as per your own quoted scriptures above) is true, then there is no salvation for you. Because under this belief system of YOURS Jesus cannot save YOU.

So, now that we have gotten that out of the way...…

1) I have proven to you that the curse on Adam cam after Eve was separated.
2) Jesus is the Seed of the Woman, so not under Adam's curse (because of 3 below)
3) The Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary. His Father is God (and not Adam). The bible says so. That is why there was a virgin birth.

You have disqualified yourself in using scriptures to prove your point, if you overlook other scriptures we have posted above to correct your wayward thinking. For if your assertions are true then other scriptures become false. And we here on Christian chat tend to believe that the scriptures are all true. So you are possibly in a "boat of one" on this one.
 
Webers.Home said:
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The man and the woman were one flesh right from the get-go (Gen 2:21-24) viz : they were united at the time of the forbidden fruit incident rather than separated.
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Jeremiah 31v30a
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity;

Ezekiel 18v20
20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

The commandment was given to Adam (not Eve). It is Adam's sin that brings the curse. She (Eve) is not accountable for Adam's sin (see God's law above).

Genesis 2
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you[f] shall surely die.”

Lets do some analysis shall we:

SERPENT - Curse - Corruption

ADAM - Curse (Sin Nature is Birthed in the Flesh) - Corruption

EVE - No corruption

All children born to Adam are under Adam's curse through the male bloodline.


This is why the Saviour is the Seed of the Woman

And I will put enmity

Between you and the woman,

And between your seed and her Seed;

He shall bruise your head,

And you shall bruise His heel.”
 
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Chris1975 said:
Jeremiah 31v30a But every one shall die for his own iniquity;

Ezekiel 18v20 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the
guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of
the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be
upon himself.
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According to Deut 5:1-3, Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17, the laws of
God do not have ex post facto jurisdiction; viz: they aren't retroactive. So at
the time of the forbidden fruit incident, God was at liberty to impute the guilt
of Adam's transgression to his entire posterity, which of course included Eve
seeing as how she was made of his own flesh and bones. (Gen 2:21-23)
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There are times in the Bible when a woman's "seed" simply refers to her
offspring-- her children --and isn't meant to exclude a male ingredient. For
example Gen 16:8-11 where God speaks of Ishmael as Hagar's seed whilst
at Gen 21:13 God speaks of him as Abraham's seed, viz; Ishmael wasn't
virgin-born though he is spoken of as Hagar's seed.

To my knowledge none of Eve's children were virgin-born. The perpetuation
of her seed spoken of at Gen 3:15 was made possible only by conjugal
relations with a man. (Gen 4:1-2, Gen 4:25)

In other words: Eve's "seed" doesn't speak of her ovum, rather, it speaks of
her posterity, which all came about via the participation of hundreds,
maybe even thousands, of men down thru the centuries-- most especially
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob --and I have no plausible reason to believe that
God preserved some of Eve's eggs so that later on one could be implanted at
just the right moment in Mary's womb to produce Jesus.
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Webers.Home said:
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According to Deut 5:1-3, Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17, the laws of
God do not have ex post facto jurisdiction; viz: they aren't retroactive. So at
the time of the forbidden fruit incident, God was at liberty to impute the guilt
of Adam's transgression to his entire posterity, which of course included Eve
seeing as how she was made of his own flesh and bones. (Gen 2:21-23)
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The law that was broken was from the start "16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you[f] shall surely die.”

1) He commanded the man - and it was the man that broken the law and received the curse.
2) They both ate of the fruit, and the law was clear that the consequences were death.
3) Both died, but only one obtained the curse.
 
Webers.Home said:
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There are times in the Bible when a woman's "seed" simply refers to her
offspring-- her children --and isn't meant to exclude a male ingredient. For
example Gen 16:8-11 where God speaks of Ishmael as Hagar's seed whilst
at Gen 21:13 God speaks of him as Abraham's seed, viz; Ishmael wasn't
virgin-born though he is spoken of as Hagar's seed.

To my knowledge none of Eve's children were virgin-born. The perpetuation
of her seed spoken of at Gen 3:15 was made possible only by conjugal
relations with a man. (Gen 4:1-2, Gen 4:25)

In other words: Eve's "seed" doesn't speak of her ovum, rather, it speaks of
her posterity, which all came about via the participation of hundreds,
maybe even thousands, of men down thru the centuries-- most especially
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob --and I have no plausible reason to believe that
God preserved some of Eve's eggs so that later on one could be implanted at
just the right moment in Mary's womb to produce Jesus.
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The seed of the woman is the Seed (Jesus Christ).

Tell me, I think it only fair, based on the implied assertions above, that you answer three questions for me (us on the forum).

1) Do you personally believe the Jesus is the Messiah?
2) Do you believe Jesus lived without sin?
3) Do you believe Jesus can save the souls of men?
 
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● Jer 13:23 . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?
Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil.

Back in the mid 1960s-- when I was a young single guy around 24 years old
living solo in a tiny rented room in a family home's daylight basement --I
had lots of time to myself to think about things since I had no friends, nor
any kind of social contact whatsoever other than at work. I wasn't distracted
with a girl friend, nor by pals and beer buddies, nor by an obsessive hobby.
It was just me, my 1961 Volkswagen, and a 305 Honda motorcycle that I
rode all over northwest Oregon.

I thought about Hell a lot back in those days; and the very real possibility of
my ending up there. It occurred to me at the time that it would be a whole
lots easier to comply with God's wishes if only I were like Him instead of like
me. Doing bad is easy for me because I'm bad without thinking about it
whereas doing good is a fight against nature. If only I could do good as
naturally as God does good; I'd have it made.

Another thought crossed my mind back in those days. Let's assume that I
could somehow manage to be pious enough in this lifetime to qualify for
heaven. Then what? I was pretty sure I could never manage to be pious for
all eternity: possibly in this life, but certainly never in the next; no, I could
never keep it up forever. Sooner or later my true colors would show
themselves.

I envied people like Moses because he had heaven in the bag while I had no
clue about my future; though I was fairly sure that for me, Hell was pretty
much a foregone conclusion.

I didn't know it at the time, but I was very fortunate to be thinking those
kinds of thoughts because right around then I ran across a solution to my
problem in the Old Testament that says:

"I will take you from among the nations and gather you from all the
countries, and I will bring you to your land. And I will sprinkle clean water
upon you, and you will be clean; from all your impurities and from all your
abominations will I cleanse you.

. . . And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit will I put within you,
and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and I will give you
a heart of flesh. And I will put My spirit within you and bring it about that
you will walk in My statutes and you will keep My ordinances and do them."
(Ezek 36:24-27)

Those promises were made to the Jews so of course I, being a Gentile,
couldn't expect God to let me in on them. But just think of the tremendous
advantages that passage speaks of. Whereas I am normally and naturally
impious, with those promises in hand I could become just the opposite, viz:
I could become normally and naturally pious. Ezek 36:24-27 really perked
me up and lifted my spirits because it gave me a light at the end of the
tunnel whereas before then, I had none.

● 2Pet 1:2-4 . . Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the
knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. His divine power has given us
everything we need for life and piety through our knowledge of Him who
called us by His own glory and goodness. Through these He has given us His
very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate
in the divine nature. (cf. Eph 2:11-22)
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Post No.29 contains a reference to Eph 2:11-22, which, in a nutshell, tells
how that God made a way for Gentiles to share in the Jews' benefits. The
light at the end of the tunnel spoken of in No.29 is available to everyone on
Earth regardless of age, race, color, or gender.

The passage is kind of long so I'd prefer that visitors look it up for
themselves rather than I go and clutter the thread with a copy and paste
block of scriptural text.
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Webers.Home said:
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Post No.29 contains a reference to Eph 2:11-22, which, in a nutshell, tells
how that God made a way for Gentiles to share in the Jews' benefits. The
light at the end of the tunnel spoken of in No.29 is available to everyone on
Earth regardless of age, race, color, or gender.

The passage is kind of long so I'd prefer that visitors look it up for
themselves rather than I go and clutter the thread with a copy and paste
block of scriptural text.
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One of my favourite passages. But it means nothing to you unless you can answer the questions in Post nr28....
 
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