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do you think people (Americans :rolleyes: :p) get "fair" confused with God being just?

anyhoo.... yesterday was our son's birthday and his college graduation. you might remember what he went through with the brain bleed when he was 19, which set him back quite a bit, so he graduated on his 29th b'day.

but he graduated!
now i'm going to go get things ready for tomorrow's "combination celebration" as one of our daughters has dubbed it. lol

thank God for His mercy, and that we don't get His justice. :)

Amen!!!!!!
 
Good post peacefulbeliever but as you noticed from sovereigngrace's response and the usual use of man's wisdom to explain it away.

ITS THE GOSPEL IN REVERSE, thats calvinism in a nutshell, everything is upside down. Climbing the tree from the top to the roots.

First you are regenerated, then you believe, then you repent <- Gospel in reverse.
First you repent, then you believe, then you are regenerated <- The true gospel as clearly laid out hundreds of times.
 
i used to be Arminian... but i'm having a hard time remembering my thinking at the time.
(there may not have been any. lol)

i'm also having a hard time figuring out why it's unfair if God elects, but not if man chooses.

like, why should God's choice be somehow wicked, and man's choice be elevated over the sovereign Lord's?

my tiny brain. :o
 
Good post peacefulbeliever but as you noticed from sovereigngrace's response and the usual use of man's wisdom to explain it away.

ITS THE GOSPEL IN REVERSE, thats calvinism in a nutshell, everything is upside down. Climbing the tree from the top to the roots.

First you are regenerated, then you believe, then you repent <- Gospel in reverse.
First you repent, then you believe, then you are regenerated <- The true gospel as clearly laid out hundreds of times.

Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.
 
Good post peacefulbeliever but as you noticed from sovereigngrace's response and the usual use of man's wisdom to explain it away.

ITS THE GOSPEL IN REVERSE, thats calvinism in a nutshell, everything is upside down. Climbing the tree from the top to the roots.

First you are regenerated, then you believe, then you repent <- Gospel in reverse.
First you repent, then you believe, then you are regenerated <- The true gospel as clearly laid out hundreds of times.

First God regenerates you by giving you godly sorrow unto repentance (when Reformed folks say you are born again)..,then you believe the Gospel that Jesus died for your sins...then you confess with your mouth...then you are sealed with the Holy Spirit (when I believe you are born again)..,then the Holy Spirit continues to regenerate/renew your mind to God's righteousness and teaches you how to live a godly life.
 
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Good post peacefulbeliever but as you noticed from sovereigngrace's response and the usual use of man's wisdom to explain it away.

ITS THE GOSPEL IN REVERSE, thats calvinism in a nutshell, everything is upside down. Climbing the tree from the top to the roots.

First you are regenerated, then you believe, then you repent <- Gospel in reverse.
First you repent, then you believe, then you are regenerated <- The true gospel as clearly laid out hundreds of times.

Those who love God have been born of Him.[1 John 4:7]

God will put a new heart and spirit in His ppl.[Ezekiel 11:19 & 36:26]
 
Mark 13:22New International Version (NIV)

22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Maybe the elect isnt what yall are trying to make them out to be if even the elect can be deceived.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

The elect cannot be deceived,especially at that time,for the elect are more true to Jesus than at any other time,for they are not falling for the deception that is abounding at that time,that is taking the world by storm.Jesus said if it were possible for the saints to be deceived they would be deceived,not that it is possible,but if it was possible.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

The second beast will do great wonders in the sight of people to convince the world that the first beast harnessed the power of nature,and obtained power,and shared this power with the second beast,and will share this power with the people that follow him.

The great wonders will appear so real that if the saints could be deceived,they would be deceived,but Jesus said it is not possible for the saints to be deceived,and the Bible says they are lying wonders,so they are falsified possibly by the manipulation of weather,or the devils doing some sort of trick.

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Before it gets to the point of the great signs and wonders,the world will say Peace and safety,which the Gentile governments will come together to try to achieve peace on earth,and the people that know not the truth,or not rooted enough of the truth among some of them,will think it is the best operation for the world,and of God,or reality,which will lead the world to the beast kingdom,but the elect will know it is not of God,and not the way to have peace on earth,and only by acknowedging Jesus is the way to have peace on earth.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

The 7 Churches Jesus addressed in Revelation is how the Church age will go in large influence at that time,in which Jesus addresses their deception that goes on,and say correct it,and although it is a large influence God always has people that abide in the truth.

The Church of Laodicea will be the last Church where there are many hypocrites,and worldly,and loving money,and material things,but the Church of Philadelphia is still a large influence,and Jesus did not have anything to say against them,but for them to hold fast what they do have,so the Church of Laodicea,and Philadelphia,are mingled together at the end time,but all the Churches have their traits throughout the history of the Church,but the last Church will be a large influence of hypocrisy among those who claim Christianity,but there are very many that hold unto the truth also.

Jesus will deliver all those that are in the truth,the elect,from the hour of temptation,which shall come upon all the world,to try them that dwell upon the earth,which is when the world says Peace and safety.

I believe those of the synagogue of Satan is the Roman Catholic Church,which is stated in an earlier Church that was a large influence years ago,but is still around today,but not so much a large influence because of the Protestant movement,which the Roman Catholic Church has its foundation in the occult,and paganism.

The elect cannot be deceived,and Jesus will deliver the elect from the temptation to follow the world when they say Peace and safety,for they know it is not of God,and will not be deceived by the great wonders that the false prophet,or anyone else does,for they know it is not of God.

But if it were possible they would be deceived,but it is not possible.

And we are reading about it now in the Bible,so why would the elect be deceived if God is telling them about it in advance that they will say Peace and safety,and they will do false miracles,for the truth is if the elect are not deceived by the world when they say Peace and safety knowing it is not the operation of God,then they will not be deceived by anything the world does that is in support of the world that says Peace and safety,even the great signs and wonders,for they will know it is all a lie,and not of God,for they are in support of the world saying Peace and safety,that is not the operation of God.
 
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i'm afraid i don't know, in spite of having been a member since 2012.

user-to-user tech support can probably assist you, though.

No worries, i have recieved a helpful private message from a user.

I know how now. :)
 
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This speaks a lot for your maturity level.

i dunno about that, but i really don't want to ignore any of you.

i always learn something from every post i read.

you're a kind man. you got me thinking today about my daughter's job with crime victims.
she cries (later, at home) every time a child is involved. standing between them and the cops sounds very difficult.
thank you for reminding me to give her a little extra care and love.
 
i dunno about that, but i really don't want to ignore any of you.

i always learn something from every post i read.

you're a kind man. you got me thinking today about my daughter's job with crime victims.
she cries (later, at home) every time a child is involved. standing between them and the cops sounds very difficult.
thank you for reminding me to give her a little extra care and love.

I imagine she goes through far more than she ever lets on. It is appalling how many parents actually "use" the heartaches of the abuse of children to try and 'get even' with a spouse or other family member.