I wonder which disgusts God more, being queer, or rejecting His son? I think one of those is known as "the unpardonable sin." And the other isn't.
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I wonder which disgusts God more, being queer, or rejecting His son? I think one of those is known as "the unpardonable sin." And the other isn't.
In answer to the oft-presented argument of: "What about the person who is still queer 40 years later, and even dies being that way."
This is from the 1920's:
Once on Mount Athos there was a monk who lived in Karyes. He drank and got drunk every day and was the cause of scandal to the pilgrims. Eventually he died and this relieved some of the faithful who went on to tell Elder Paisios that they were delighted that this huge problem was finally solved.
Father Paisios answered them that he knew about the death of the monk, after seeing the entire battalion of angels who came to collect his soul. The pilgrims were amazed and some protested and tried to explain to the Elder of whom they were talking about, thinking that the Elder did not understand.
Elder Paisios explained to them: "This particular monk was born in Asia Minor, shortly before the destruction by the Turks when they gathered all the boys. So as not to take him from their parents, they would take him with them to the reaping, and so he wouldn't cry, they just put raki into his milk in order for him to sleep. Therefore he grew up as an alcoholic. There he found an elder and said to him that he was an alcoholic. The elder told him to do prostrations and prayers every night and beg the Panagia to help him to reduce by one the glasses he drank.
After a year he managed with struggle and repentance to make the 20 glasses he drank into 19 glasses. The struggle continued over the years and he reached 2-3 glasses, with which he would still get drunk."
The world for years saw an alcoholic monk who scandalized the pilgrims, but God saw a fighter who fought a long struggle to reduce his passion.
Without knowing what each one is trying to do what he wants to do, what right do we have to judge his effort?
Source: Translated by John Sanidopoulos
This is from the 1920's:
Once on Mount Athos there was a monk who lived in Karyes. He drank and got drunk every day and was the cause of scandal to the pilgrims. Eventually he died and this relieved some of the faithful who went on to tell Elder Paisios that they were delighted that this huge problem was finally solved.
Father Paisios answered them that he knew about the death of the monk, after seeing the entire battalion of angels who came to collect his soul. The pilgrims were amazed and some protested and tried to explain to the Elder of whom they were talking about, thinking that the Elder did not understand.
Elder Paisios explained to them: "This particular monk was born in Asia Minor, shortly before the destruction by the Turks when they gathered all the boys. So as not to take him from their parents, they would take him with them to the reaping, and so he wouldn't cry, they just put raki into his milk in order for him to sleep. Therefore he grew up as an alcoholic. There he found an elder and said to him that he was an alcoholic. The elder told him to do prostrations and prayers every night and beg the Panagia to help him to reduce by one the glasses he drank.
After a year he managed with struggle and repentance to make the 20 glasses he drank into 19 glasses. The struggle continued over the years and he reached 2-3 glasses, with which he would still get drunk."
The world for years saw an alcoholic monk who scandalized the pilgrims, but God saw a fighter who fought a long struggle to reduce his passion.
Without knowing what each one is trying to do what he wants to do, what right do we have to judge his effort?
Source: Translated by John Sanidopoulos
interesting story : but from a Christian biblical point it seems that the Monk was doing everything he could do therfore why would he even need God? God is not impressed with our righteousness even if we bring our drunkenness from 20 glasses to 2-3 glasses. What God wants to see it that The Blood of the Lamb HE provided has washed the sin away. No one can Judge the monk he is judges already if the monk has not trusted in Jesus Christ.
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Godsliltigger
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I disagree.... I believe God is VERY pleased to see his kids doing their very best, as flawed humans, to become better, or more Christ-like.
I don't believe for a second that God expects us to accept salvation, then just sit there and wait for the Spirit to miraculously make us more like Jesus.
Improvement, many times, requires MUCH effort on our parts... with the help of the Spirit.
If our goal here on earth is not to become more Christ-like so that we can be a living witness to bring others to Him, then what IS it?
context nowhere was it suggested the monk was christian. One can not become more Christ -like if they are not in a relationship with Christ. The Bible is very clear that Jesus is the only way to salvation it is Christ in you to will and to do. of course we obey but that works did not save us we do works of righteousness because we are saved. Faith will produce a desire to please God in our daily lives, but with out Jesus as our Lord and Savior we are doing works of self-righteousness and that will do nothing for us . it don't mean a thing us less you got the King...
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Tintin
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it is not our Job to make them realize; it is the job of the Holy Spirit to help them come to understand sin and the need to repent and believe on Jesus Christ. we are to proclaim the gospel and tell them what Christ did for us how HE (Jesus) saved us and that HE will save them because HE loves them.
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Tintin
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He is? But there are more than one. Not at a time though. It's more of a succession thing.