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Davidstarr said:
I was thinking that about you. Easy to falsely accuse someone of doing what you do huh?
The context of Col 2 is about the ceremonial laws with verse 16 being the ceremonial sabbaths. You want people to think it means the 7th day sabbath. It does not.
Perhaps you do not understand that the 10 commandment law HAS NO CEREMONIAL SABBATHS IN IT?

I guess you are forgetting day 7 of creation week was God's day of rest from His 6-day work week.
No ceremonial laws even existed at that time....

I don't see why it is so hard to understand. The Levitical laws figuratively pointed to Jesus on the cross for remission of sins.
NOTHING in the 10 commandment law talks about remission from sin, or animal sacrifices, circumcision, temple services, etc.

It's a list of DOs and DON'Ts.....
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Nothing in Col 2 says it's about ceremonial laws. Paul certainly could've said they were ceremonial in nature, non-cyclical, or some other description that would allow us to conclude he was limiting to just those. But he did not. The only way you can read it that way is if you come to the text with a preconceived interpretation.
 
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NightTwister said:
Nothing in Col 2 says it's about ceremonial laws. Paul certainly could've said they were ceremonial in nature, non-cyclical, or some other description that would allow us to conclude he was limiting to just those. But he did not. The only way you can read it that way is if you come to the text with a preconceived interpretation.
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On the contrary, EVERYTHING it mentions is Col 2 is about the ceremonial laws.

I have already posted the examples above.
Yet you are unwilling to see them.
 
TMS said:
We will see... what the future brings.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
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I am not sure if you see the pickle you are in. You preach as doctrine the words of your prophet that Sunday observation is the mark. Something that is eternal damnation with no second chances, no way no how are you entering into the kingdom in the slightest. Then you preach as doctrine the words of Christ. Matthew 5:19 "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

That is a stark contrast between your prophet and the Lord. Eternal damnation vs being the least. As I said no matter how far you stretch Sunday observation. You can't get them to agree on the outcome when you have to weigh the words of your prophet and the words of Christ.
 
Davidstarr said:
Yet you break the 4th commandment if you do not work 6 days and rest from that labor on the 7th day sabbath.

Of course, as Christians, we worship God every day.
That's not what the 4th commandment is about.
I suggest you read/study Exo 20:8-11 for yourself. Se what it says.
Or are just 4 verses to hard for you?
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I am retired, so are you saying I have to get a six day a week job to be an OT Jew ?
I will keep everyday holy, and as I have been baptized into Christ, it is His labor and His rest occurring...not mine.
 
Freed18 said:
I am retired, so are you saying I have to get a six day a week job to be an OT Jew ?
I will keep everyday holy, and as I have been baptized into Christ, it is His labor and His rest occurring...not mine.
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Did Bible say we can retire? 😄 🤣

Happy retirement 😀 😄 ☺ 😎
 
Churchgoer said:
Today church meet on Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday....
Tuesday is for taco 🌮 day, but we can meet on taco day too.
Thursday? I am not sure, good to meet too I assume.

Which day we are not allowed to meet? 😄 🤣
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Good Point.

The Point is, the early church met on the First Day of the week, which was a celebration of the Resurrection, and it distinguished Christians from Jews.
 
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Roger316 said:
Good Point.

The Point is, the early church met on the First Day of the week, which was a celebration of the Resurrection, and it distinguished Christians from Jews.
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Correct, also early church faced heavey persecution from Jewish side as well as Roman side. They probably switch days to avoid getting killed. Stephan was killed.... and many later on.
And Jesus agree to get food on Saturday, and rescue animals, humans.....
 
Churchgoer said:
Today church meet on Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday....
Tuesday is for taco 🌮 day, but we can meet on taco day too.
Thursday? I am not sure, good to meet too I assume.

Which day we are not allowed to meet? 😄 🤣
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Thursday aka "Thirsty Thursday"is when a bunch of us congregate in the shop after work and consume liquid bread.
 
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Roger316 said:
Good Point.

The Point is, the early church met on the First Day of the week, which was a celebration of the Resurrection, and it distinguished Christians from Jews.
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Not true.

They met EVERY day of the week for a communal meal and to praise God. Acts 2:46
AND it shows the phrase "to break bread" was most commonly used to mean having a meal together.
"Come to my place and break bread with me."
Is an invitation to share a meal. NOT a communion service.
You should really read these things yourself instead of just parroting what someone else says to you.

Acts 20:7 was just another day like all the others. Nothing in the text indicates it was a weekly celebration of the resurrection or that there was any command it should replace the 7th-day sabbath. Paul simply wanted to say a few things to them and preached until midnight.
This was a nightly meeting. Since each day in bible times would begin at sunset, we would call this a Saturday night meeting today.
Examine the text for yourself word for word. It's as obvious as the nose on your face.

I Cor 16:2 does not even indicate there was any meeting held.

However there are over 80 different weekly 7th day sabbath observances mentioned in the book of Acts kept by both Jews AND Gentiles....
 
Freed18 said:
I am retired, so are you saying I have to get a six day a week job to be an OT Jew ?
I will keep everyday holy, and as I have been baptized into Christ, it is His labor and His rest occurring...not mine.
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Obviously if you are physically unable to do your work 6 days a week anymore why would that exclude you from entering heaven?
I don't think ANYONE is saying such a thing to you.

And no Adventist will tell you that you have to become an OT Jew.
 
Yissachar said:
Colossians 2
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Are a shadow is the Present tense

the lawless read this verse as "were a shadow" of things to come, in the past tense and most of them don't even realize it.

Isaiah 66
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith YHWH.

The Issue of Colossians 2:16-17 had to do with the works of the law, which was found among the DSS, a checklist of how to be righteous, and eating certain types of foods and drinks on the appointed days made a person more righteous, they thought.

What Paul is saying is do not let them Judge you for not eating and drinking according to their vain philosophy of what they believe you need to be eating or drinking to keep these days.

They are a Shadow
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I agree with most of what you are saying...

But do you believe that the earthly feasts set in place in the days of Moses are moral or cerimonial laws?

Do you believe....
The seven ancient Jewish feasts serve as a prophetic shadow of the work of Christ, where each type meets its perfect antitype in the work of redemption. Hebrews 10:1

The Passover: This feast commemorates the deliverance of Israel through the blood of a lamb Exodus 12:3-6. Its antitype is the death of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, who was sacrificed for us to avert judgment and condemnation 1 Corinthians 5:7

The Feast of Unleavened Bread: Historically, Israel ate bread without leaven for seven days to mark their flight from Egypt Exodus 12:17-20. The antitype is a spiritual experience of sincerity and truth, purging out the "leaven" of malice and wickedness 1 Corinthians 5:8.

The First-Fruits (Wave Sheaf): On the morrow after the Sabbath, the priest waved a sheaf of the first fruits of the harvest Leviticus 23:10-11. This met its antitype in the resurrection of Christ, who became the "first fruits of them that slept" 1 Corinthians 15:20.

Pentecost (Feast of Weeks): Observed fifty days after the wave sheaf, it marked the first-fruits of the wheat harvest Leviticus 23:15-17. Its antitype was reached when the Holy Ghost descended with power upon the disciples, signaling the "first fruits of the Spirit" Acts 2:1-4.

These all had happened when Paul was writting. But there were future events ....

The final three feasts occur in the seventh month and point to the closing scenes of the plan of salvation and the final gathering of God's people.

The Feast of Trumpets: Observed on the first day of the seventh month as a holy convocation and a memorial of blowing trumpets Leviticus 23:24. It finds its antitype in the proclamation of the "Midnight Cry" and the work of the seventh angel beginning to sound his message Revelation 10:7.

The Day of Atonement: On the tenth day of the seventh month, the high priest entered the most holy place to cleanse the sanctuary and blot out the sins of Israel Leviticus 16:29-30. In the antitype, Christ entered the heavenly sanctuary in 1844 (2300 days and the sanctuary will be cleansed) to perform the investigative judgment and the final blotting out of sins Daniel 8:14.
The Scape-goat: After the cleansing is finished, the sins are placed on the head of the scape-goat (Azazel), which typifies Satan being bound for a thousand years and bearing the ultimate responsibility for the sins he instigated Revelation 20:1-3.

The Feast of Tabernacles (Ingathering): This was a season of great rejoicing at the end of the year after the fruit of the land was gathered Deuteronomy 16:13-15. It typifies the final, great rejoicing when all the redeemed are gathered into the kingdom of God to dwell in His presence forever Revelation 7:9-14

Can you agree with these types and antitypes. ?
 
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