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JohnDB said:
The LAWS OF THE NEW COVENANT NOT THE OLD COVENANT...
That's what is commanded of us.

Do you even know the commandments of Jesus for the New Covenant?
Like can you even list them? There is no organized list in the New Testament....you have to know what Jesus said.
Or
Are you stuck on the Old Covenant and acting like you are special?
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Some of The 10 commandments are named in James 2. And everyone agrees that Adultery and Murder and taking God's name in vain is a sin today..

The old covenant moral laws did not change in the new covenant.

God gave the 10 commandments and all are accepted today as sin except the 4th commandment.

Jesus said Mar 2:27-28.
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The old covenant failed. The new was set on better promises.. the moral law is the same for both.
 
Churchgoer said:
Jesus worked on Saturday, healed on Saturday, picked food on Saturday, gathered, teached on many days.
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Sorry.
The sabbath command (obviously you have not read/studied it in Exo 20:8-11) states we do our own work for 6 days and rest from that work on the sabbath.
That's means any person's chosen type of profession (fisherman, tent maker, sheep herder, etc). Do that for 6 days, rest on the 7th day.
Jesus was a carpenter by trade when He was on this earth. Not once was He ever accused of making something out of wood on the sabbath....
 
Gideon300 said:
Acts 15 and Colossians 2:16 prove you wrong. The church managed to evangelise much of the world without the false doctrines of the SDA. And that is still ongoing while SDA desperately seek to establish their own righteousness by obeying the law. Convert to Judaism. You will be right at home.
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The SDA church does not teach this.
 
TMS said:
Did Jesus live the 10 commandments? And obey the 10 commandments?

A witness and example to us.

The law of God does not change over time. The standard of sin for God does not change. If God changes His moral laws then God is not JUST.

Are you saying the definition of Sin has changed?

When Jesus died on the Cross which definition of Sin did He die for?

The law of God defines sin.

Jesus obeyed the father. God's law.

Jesus is God. Jesus gave the Ten commandments. He did not give one set of moral laws only to change the years later.. your so stuck on the new Testament that the old has lost its value.
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Do you know the commandments of the New Covenant whatsoever?

If not just admit that you don't know them.

But somehow, even though you don't know the new covenant commandments you somehow think you have authority to teach and preach?

I have too much fear and respect for God to go off half cooked like that. You are cray cray for doing what you are doing.
 
TMS said:
Some of The 10 commandments are named in James 2. And everyone agrees that Adultery and Murder and taking God's name in vain is a sin today..

The old covenant moral laws did not change in the new covenant.

God gave the 10 commandments and all are accepted today as sin except the 4th commandment.

Jesus said Mar 2:27-28.
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The old covenant failed. The new was set on better promises.. the moral law is the same for both.
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You don't understand the first thing about the Sabbath commandment or what its about.

Obvs.

Look....
My best advice is stop before you suffer the consequences for touching holy things you have zero authority to touch.
 
Davidstarr said:
Sorry.
The sabbath command (obviously you have not read/studied it in Exo 20:8-11) states we do our own work for 6 days and rest from that work on the sabbath.
That's means any person's chosen type of profession (fisherman, tent maker, sheep herder, etc). Do that for 6 days, rest on the 7th day.
Jesus was a carpenter by trade when He was on this earth. Not once was He ever accused of making something out of wood on the sabbath....
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But many people retire and rest every day.
We also talked about many jobs have to work on Saturday, and you are good with them.
most people who don't work Saturday do rest on Saturday based on your understanding.
So hardly anyone is breaking the sabbath law according to your practice.
isn't that wonderful? According to your understanding .
 
JohnDB said:
Then how come my Holy Spirit says your Holy Spirit is Satan and opposed to all that is good and Holy?
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Because there are other Spirits.

2Co 11:13-14
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Satan transforms into an angel of light...

How do we know the difference..

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

To "prove all things" effectively, we must have a standard. God has provided His Law and the testimony of His prophets as the "touchstone" for all truth.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

2Ti 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

All scripture not just the new Testament.

We are each under obligation to God to understand what He sends us. We must "search the scriptures" to see if these things are so, rather than yielding our judgment to religious leaders.
John 5:39
Acts 17:11

1Jn 5:2-3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
 
JohnDB said:
Do you know the commandments of the New Covenant whatsoever?

If not just admit that you don't know them.

But somehow, even though you don't know the new covenant commandments you somehow think you have authority to teach and preach?

I have too much fear and respect for God to go off half cooked like that. You are cray cray for doing what you are doing.
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I'm have an understanding... but incase I'm wrong will you list the new covenant laws? So I can see
 
JohnDB said:
You don't understand the first thing about the Sabbath commandment or what its about.

Obvs.

Look....
My best advice is stop before you suffer the consequences for touching holy things you have zero authority to touch.
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My advice is accept the Holy day before it is too late.

The Holy sabbath day was made for man.
Not made for man to ignore and reject but to uphold and obey.

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

"the holy of the LORD"

Because it is the Lord's holy day you should think twice about ignoring it.
 
Churchgoer said:
But many people retire and rest every day.
We also talked about many jobs have to work on Saturday, and you are good with them.
most people who don't work Saturday do rest on Saturday based on your understanding.
So hardly anyone is breaking the sabbath law according to your practice.
isn't that wonderful? According to your understanding .
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The main difference is understanding why the sabbath was MADE FOR MAN.

it is a holy time to remember the Lord who created the world and also admire the salvation He brings.

We can do this every day but the sabbath is set aside for holy use. Sanctified.

So by stopping your everyday work to keep the sabbath holy, is different from just stopping for a rest.

It is holy time and sanctified time that people enter into.. they delight in this time with God.
 
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