Circumcision is the sign of salvation by grace thru faith, Abraham being the archetype.
Loss of salvation???
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I don't say you can't if you want to, but it is no longer necessary. Unfortunately there are those who insist on it. Christ gave the Church no sacrament but the Lord's Supper and He made it very clear that His baptism would be with the Spirit, not water.
@NightTwister was right about circumcision being a sign of the Old Covenant. If it is a sign of salvation by grace through faith then every male ever born who believed should have been circumcised. Salvation has always been by grace through faith. How that salvation was/is to be worked changed through the age ie. by conscience, by the Law (Torah), by Spirit filled.
It's always been my understanding that circumcision was designed to teach, that in order for a person to enter a relationship with God, sin must be shed. The foreskin is a symbol of the sin nature hence, today circumcision is no longer required because Christ has dealt with the sin issue permanently.
Did He command baptism in water?
Here is some irony for you. Israel was baptized into Moses. The Red Sea (water) never touched them. Noah was baptized into the Ark, the flood (water) never touched him. Go figure hey!
In the New Testament, Jesus is referred to as the "Anointed One" or Messiah, highlighting his role as the ultimate prophet, priest, and king.
Jesus' baptism was not for remission of sin, it was a baptism by the Holy Spirit, signifying the beginning of Jesus' ministry and his role as the Messiah.
Jesus' baptism was not for remission of sin, it was a baptism by the Holy Spirit, signifying the beginning of Jesus' ministry and his role as the Messiah.
Are you saying that the commandment to go to all the world baptizing...wasn't water baptism?Did He command baptism in water?
Here is some irony for you. Israel was baptized into Moses. The Red Sea (water) never touched them. Noah was baptized into the Ark, the flood (water) never touched him. Go figure hey!
And what are "fruits?" Since an unbeliever can feed the poor, live as a popper, be nice, follow the laws, get dunked in a tank and act like a believer........What are the fruits that we know other believers by?
Bible Doctrine and true motives.
The folks who judge others salvation are the very ones that need to take a serious look in the mirror.
Here is some irony for you. Israel was baptized into Moses. The Red Sea (water) never touched them. Noah was baptized into the Ark, the flood (water) never touched him. Go figure hey!
here's some more irony - baptism is symbolic drowning just as much as it is symbolic washing - - and because Christ rose, death can't touch us!
not everyone need display every sign.
when i take an exit from the motorway, what use is it for me to be told what restaurants were 4 exits before?
i do not believe salvation is by H2O baptism.
but i do believe everyone who is saved should be H2O baptized, even today - - once.
Galatians 5 verses 22-24 ~ The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Many, many unbelievers have all those qualities. And fulfill them everyday.
Hebrews 5:13-14
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
[Col 2:11 KJV]
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
[Phl 3:3 KJV]
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.