'none' is a big claim when we reads all the views on forums like these and assume we know all the experiences others have had with others.
Loss of salvation???
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Jesus was speaking to Peter, not to Satan himself. Once we put the pieces together, the reason becomes obvious. In the wilderness, Satan tempted Jesus by offering Him the kingdoms of the world—an offer to take the throne immediately, without the path of suffering and the cross.
Peter, without realizing it, was echoing the very same temptation. When he urged Jesus to avoid the crucifixion, he was inviting Jesus to seize kingship before the appointed time, just as Satan had done.
So Jesus wasn’t calling Peter “Satan” in a literal sense. He was identifying the source and nature of the temptation. Two different voices—Satan in the wilderness and Peter on the road—were speaking the same message: take the crown without the cross.
If you want, I can also shape this into a teaching paragraph for your video or notes.
I'm not assuming anything. Revelation 7:9 clearly teaches that heaven is populated by a number that no man can number. Every Calvinist I've ever met believes this. But go ahead, find 1 who doesn't believe this.
How many times have I read 1 Cor 3:15 in the above way.
The Catholic Church uses this passage to teach purgatory.
Since purgatory does not exist...surely it means something else.
The work being mentioned is the work of Paul and Apollos.
The work being built upon is the work they were doing....the building of the new Church.
1 Cor 3:4-6
4For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not mere men?
5What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one.
6I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth.
Paul and Peter and James and all were sent on a mission to begin a new church/Church.
Here Paul is speaking about himself and Apollo doing this very work that Jesus had commanded of them.
Paul did his part of the job...Apollos did his part of the job.
1 Cor 3:8
8Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
Each will receive a REWARD according to his labor.
A reward for good work done....
And what was that work?
To till the ground....
1 Cor 3:9
9For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.
Paul calls himself a master builder...
he was building the church/Church
1 Cor 3:10
10According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it.
Paul was building the foundation of the church: JESUS
1 Cor 3:11
11For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Future builders may not be as masterful...they will build with wood or hay or straw.
or maybe they will be and will build with precious stones.
Their work will become evident by the growth of the church,,
by fire the works will be tested and rewarded.
Those that will grow the church with wood, hay or straw will have their work burned up because it did not produce
a lot,,,,but the person himself will not be lost...he will be saved, but as through fire.
As to your witnessing...
It sounds like you might have done a lot of witnessing.
We many not have done as much.
We will not have as great a reward.
But I know this....
whatever you have spoken will not return void.
We never know what kind of an affect anything we say may have
on a person. It may take years to its fruition...it may never happen...
we can only speak the words and God will do the rest.
You made the claim 'none' so it's up to you to prove it. We both know you can't - at least I hope you know you can't - and I hope you know you haven't met every Calvinist.
I don't have notes.
The source of Peter's statement is the same source as was present in the desert.
satan.
Jesus was speaking to satan...telling him to get away from Him (Peter).
Jesus was not telling Peter to get away from Him.
And, yes, I've heard some say that Peter was oppressed by satan,
as I believe @Mem posted.
I'm under no obligation. My challenge was for another poster to prove his claim by finding someone who believed as he claimed. I offered you the same challenge.
Maybe this is why you make claims as you do - maybe you see no obligation to back them up so what the heck...let em fly.
Limited atonement doesn't necessitate small numbers of people being atoned for.I believe on the Free Will thread he affirmed limited atonement several times.
Cameron
Not only is the reformed/Calvinist gospel DIFFERENT....
I'd go so far as to say that there IS NO GOSPEL in Calvinist theology.
What is the good news in Calvinism?
I guess it would be that God chose a lucky few.
The gospel all other denominations believe states that ANY person could be saved IF THEY SO WISH.
God is not a respector of persons:
Acts 10:34-35
34Opening his mouth, Peter said:
“I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality,
35but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.
Acts 10 even tells us how a person is saved....besides stating that God is not partial.
by fearing God and doing what is right.
These are welcome to Him.
Romans 2:
10but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
11For there is no partiality with God.
There is no partiality with God...
anyone wishing to be saved, can be saved.
God wishes that all men would be saved.
1 Timothy 2:4
The proof is in the lack of any such replies. Now get busy and find those who say heaven is not populated by a number no man can number.
The gospel is Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Show me a Calvinist who does not believe this.
There is nothing in the account to support your idea that Satan was the source of Peter's statement or that Jesus was talking to Satan.
He identifies Peter’s statement with the logic of Satan’s earlier temptation, even though the two are not causally connected.
One Calvinist I know, on a different forum, has been saying for years that no one other than those that God chose will be in heaven and that "billions and billions" are going to hell.
Calvinism is such a happy theology.
We don't have to agree and this is not worth debating,
as far as I'm concerned.
I've stated my position regarding Peter.
I'll stick to that.
Satan did follow Jesus around...didn't he?
He does influence persons...doesn't he?
That's not the full gospel, is it Cameron?
There's a little more.
Man is sinful and requires being saved.
THE GOOD NEWS is that God offered His Son as an atonement for man's sinfulness.
Jesus died for humanity's sins....HUMANITY'S SINS......ALL OF HUMANITY. John 3:16
He died so that we could be reconciled to God,,,as it was in the beginning.
Jesus defeated sin and death. FOR EVERYONE.
Reconciliation with God is required and our YES to jesus will allow that reconciliation.
Here is the Calvinist gospel:
IF GOD CHOSE YOU, YOU WILL BE SAVED.
How could you even witness to anyone?
You'd have to lie to them.
You certainly cannot tell them that if they believe they will be saved...
because that's not what Calvinism teaches.
No gospel.