Major faith roadblock

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I believed in God before I knew what religion was and have considered myself a Christian, although reading but not Church going, for most of my life. Finally a church going Christian for years...but...

I am at a major faith roadblock.

I have been praying over some critical life issues for years. I won't go into the exact issues because that is irrelevant. The only answer or result to my prayer efforts has been nothing, silence, no change, no intuitions, no gut feelings or signs, just absolute nothingness.

This has shaken my faith. It is clear there is a creator. And possible I misunderstand scripture. For example, Christ talking about moving mountains may only be intended for the apostles in their mission to grow the church. Christs prayer example asks for daily bread, not help in life's big problems, or struggling with sin, or anything else.

However, it seems like there are many passages that promote the power of prayer. For example:

Philippians 4:6 - Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.

Mark 11:24 - Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

Romans 8:26 - Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.

Matthew 6:6 - But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

I am painfully aware of all the "excuses" people make for God not answering prayers but honestly, I don't think an all powerful God should need people to make excuses for Him.

I see only a few possibilities here.

1. Regardless of what I may have thought, I am not one of His people and therefore not listened to, or cared about at all. I am merely a fish in this aquarium called earth. I exist for a while, then gone for ever. Temporarily animated dirt that only existed for a time to add a little more depth and background to His great narrative, and nothing more

2. The bible is not inerrant and is wrong. God exists, the bible is a good effort at understanding God, but it is fiction. Perhaps highly valuable fiction but fiction none the less.

3. Another that I loath to believe but seems plausible. People pop into existence by an automated process He created. With a few possible exceptions, He doesn't especially care much for some or even most of us. I am certainly not the only person who feels like I am standing in the bottom of a well shouting towards the little opening hoping someone will hear and throw down a rope but it never comes. It is rational to come to the conclusion that nobody is up there. Nobody hears your shouts. Nobody is there. It is contradictory to think God "wants" you to believe and pray to an absolute zero feedback loop. Especially when it contradicts scripture.

This got me thinking, when people pray for a child who is perishing from a fatal illness, does healing ever come? Ever? or is is 1 out a 1,000? 1 out of 10,000? This is a million times more important that my problems and inflicted on innocents. Children who are supposedly especially loved. If their prayers cannot be answered, what hope is there for any of my prayers to be answered? None.

When I close my eyes and in the quiet and darkness call to the Holy Spirit, listening intently, waiting for His spirit to draw near, I can detect nothing other that perhaps a feeling that I now question isn't just my imagination.

I miss my friend. My friend who I can reveal my deepest feelings to. My friend whom I have been speaking too all my life only to realize I have only been speaking to myself because I am the only one who is there.
 

ResidentAlien

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Sometimes you just have to be patient. Don't give up on God because you think He's abandoned you; He hasn't. He just wants you to be at peace and know that He is God. Keep reading His word, keep praying, listen to what He wants to teach you.
 
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But what does patient mean? 1 year, 5 years, 10 years, etc. It seems to me that the term patient has to have a time limit after which it is safe to conclude the check isn't in the mail.
 
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On a scale of 1 to 10, how thankful of a person are you?
I have always given credit for all good things in my life to God. It has always been a part of my prayers.

Right now I'm struggling with the idea that maybe I was deluding myself into believing that I matter at all. I have struggled with that idea for a while now and have even posted on it before but the problem only grows as time passes.
 

ResidentAlien

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But what does patient mean? 1 year, 5 years, 10 years, etc. It seems to me that the term patient has to have a time limit after which it is safe to conclude the check isn't in the mail.
It means however long it takes. If all you want God for is a "check in the mail" then you're probably in it for the wrong reasons anyway.
 
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I believe we always need to remember that we're playing for the next life and not this one.

As grandiose as I can be, I'm not even going to begin to pretend I have a firm grasp on what the all-knowing creator has intended for my life.

Growing up a Christian all of my life, it wasn't until my young wife was deteriorating in the ICU with an unknown disease that I felt truly out of control and that need to draw closer to God. It wasn't a fun way to do it, but it's what was necessary for me to feel that pull.

My father was diagnosed with aggressive cancer. Prayers for healing were not granted. There's my reminder that no matter how indestructible one may seem, this life on earth is not eternal.

This is a small piece of my story. It hasn't always been a particularly enjoyable one. I just hope that you know and trust that there is someone that created you and loves you and wants eternal life for you. That's far more important than being comfortable in this temporary shell of a home.
 

bluto

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I believed in God before I knew what religion was and have considered myself a Christian, although reading but not Church going, for most of my life. Finally a church going Christian for years...but...

I am at a major faith roadblock.

I have been praying over some critical life issues for years. I won't go into the exact issues because that is irrelevant. The only answer or result to my prayer efforts has been nothing, silence, no change, no intuitions, no gut feelings or signs, just absolute nothingness.

This has shaken my faith. It is clear there is a creator. And possible I misunderstand scripture. For example, Christ talking about moving mountains may only be intended for the apostles in their mission to grow the church. Christs prayer example asks for daily bread, not help in life's big problems, or struggling with sin, or anything else.

However, it seems like there are many passages that promote the power of prayer. For example:

Philippians 4:6 - Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.

Mark 11:24 - Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

Romans 8:26 - Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.

Matthew 6:6 - But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

I am painfully aware of all the "excuses" people make for God not answering prayers but honestly, I don't think an all powerful God should need people to make excuses for Him.

I see only a few possibilities here.

1. Regardless of what I may have thought, I am not one of His people and therefore not listened to, or cared about at all. I am merely a fish in this aquarium called earth. I exist for a while, then gone for ever. Temporarily animated dirt that only existed for a time to add a little more depth and background to His great narrative, and nothing more

2. The bible is not inerrant and is wrong. God exists, the bible is a good effort at understanding God, but it is fiction. Perhaps highly valuable fiction but fiction none the less.

3. Another that I loath to believe but seems plausible. People pop into existence by an automated process He created. With a few possible exceptions, He doesn't especially care much for some or even most of us. I am certainly not the only person who feels like I am standing in the bottom of a well shouting towards the little opening hoping someone will hear and throw down a rope but it never comes. It is rational to come to the conclusion that nobody is up there. Nobody hears your shouts. Nobody is there. It is contradictory to think God "wants" you to believe and pray to an absolute zero feedback loop. Especially when it contradicts scripture.

This got me thinking, when people pray for a child who is perishing from a fatal illness, does healing ever come? Ever? or is is 1 out a 1,000? 1 out of 10,000? This is a million times more important that my problems and inflicted on innocents. Children who are supposedly especially loved. If their prayers cannot be answered, what hope is there for any of my prayers to be answered? None.

When I close my eyes and in the quiet and darkness call to the Holy Spirit, listening intently, waiting for His spirit to draw near, I can detect nothing other that perhaps a feeling that I now question isn't just my imagination.

I miss my friend. My friend who I can reveal my deepest feelings to. My friend whom I have been speaking too all my life only to realize I have only been speaking to myself because I am the only one who is there.
Perhaps the following will help. https://www.gotquestions.org/God-silent-absent.html

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 

Karlon

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I believed in God before I knew what religion was and have considered myself a Christian, although reading but not Church going, for most of my life. Finally a church going Christian for years...but...

I am at a major faith roadblock.

I have been praying over some critical life issues for years. I won't go into the exact issues because that is irrelevant. The only answer or result to my prayer efforts has been nothing, silence, no change, no intuitions, no gut feelings or signs, just absolute nothingness.

This has shaken my faith. It is clear there is a creator. And possible I misunderstand scripture. For example, Christ talking about moving mountains may only be intended for the apostles in their mission to grow the church. Christs prayer example asks for daily bread, not help in life's big problems, or struggling with sin, or anything else.

However, it seems like there are many passages that promote the power of prayer. For example:

Philippians 4:6 - Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.

Mark 11:24 - Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

Romans 8:26 - Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.

Matthew 6:6 - But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

I am painfully aware of all the "excuses" people make for God not answering prayers but honestly, I don't think an all powerful God should need people to make excuses for Him.

I see only a few possibilities here.

1. Regardless of what I may have thought, I am not one of His people and therefore not listened to, or cared about at all. I am merely a fish in this aquarium called earth. I exist for a while, then gone for ever. Temporarily animated dirt that only existed for a time to add a little more depth and background to His great narrative, and nothing more

2. The bible is not inerrant and is wrong. God exists, the bible is a good effort at understanding God, but it is fiction. Perhaps highly valuable fiction but fiction none the less.

3. Another that I loath to believe but seems plausible. People pop into existence by an automated process He created. With a few possible exceptions, He doesn't especially care much for some or even most of us. I am certainly not the only person who feels like I am standing in the bottom of a well shouting towards the little opening hoping someone will hear and throw down a rope but it never comes. It is rational to come to the conclusion that nobody is up there. Nobody hears your shouts. Nobody is there. It is contradictory to think God "wants" you to believe and pray to an absolute zero feedback loop. Especially when it contradicts scripture.

This got me thinking, when people pray for a child who is perishing from a fatal illness, does healing ever come? Ever? or is is 1 out a 1,000? 1 out of 10,000? This is a million times more important that my problems and inflicted on innocents. Children who are supposedly especially loved. If their prayers cannot be answered, what hope is there for any of my prayers to be answered? None.

When I close my eyes and in the quiet and darkness call to the Holy Spirit, listening intently, waiting for His spirit to draw near, I can detect nothing other that perhaps a feeling that I now question isn't just my imagination.

I miss my friend. My friend who I can reveal my deepest feelings to. My friend whom I have been speaking too all my life only to realize I have only been speaking to myself because I am the only one who is there.
1,2 & 3 are incorrect. don't compare children to adults here is the one relief for kids who passed on: they are in heaven & that's forever. NO SUFFERING THERE, ALL PERFECT & JOYFUL. are you born again Christian? something seems to be missed by you. maybe what you are asking for is not God's plan for you. He may see that in His infinite eternal perfect wisdom, what you want is wrong. are you too anxious? or, just maybe, it isn't time for Him to give you what you asked for. also, He knows who will abuse an answer. the best life is the Christian life. if not b.a., get converted now ask Jesus to come into your heart & save you. if you are b.a., you can ask the Holy Spirit any time to speak to you. there are countless Christians who waited for decades for an answer to prayer. i'm 1 of them. i've been asking Jesus for a few things since i was about 20. i'm 64 now. & these requests are coming true this year, they have started to arrive! i went thru a trial allowed by God from November of 23' til about early May of this year. i am giving myself a score of 90-95 because i was the most patient, enduring, understanding & wise with it. 7 gifts have arrived & more to come. 1 is a very special item i purchased as i am in the antique business & multiple people are interested in buying this. in fact, i could allow it to make headlines all over the world but i am not going to make that choice. the wait is the biggest test & hurt. all of us Christians know that. i really hope you are filled with understanding, knowledge & wisdom in this situation & that you apply all that. blessings to you, outlander.
 
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It means however long it takes. If all you want God for is a "check in the mail" then you're probably in it for the wrong reasons anyway.
It was an idiom. I'm not waiting for a check. I'm not dictating a solution and waiting for that solution. I have been waiting for a response to prayer for a very long time and coming to the conclusion that a response isn't coming. I am therefore trying to understand how that affects my understanding of God and my relationship with God. Is God refusing to respond or am I wrong to expect that a response is coming? How does the answer to these question affect my assumption that the bible is inerrant? Do I need to reassess?
 
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I believe we always need to remember that we're playing for the next life and not this one.

As grandiose as I can be, I'm not even going to begin to pretend I have a firm grasp on what the all-knowing creator has intended for my life.

Growing up a Christian all of my life, it wasn't until my young wife was deteriorating in the ICU with an unknown disease that I felt truly out of control and that need to draw closer to God. It wasn't a fun way to do it, but it's what was necessary for me to feel that pull.

My father was diagnosed with aggressive cancer. Prayers for healing were not granted. There's my reminder that no matter how indestructible one may seem, this life on earth is not eternal.

This is a small piece of my story. It hasn't always been a particularly enjoyable one. I just hope that you know and trust that there is someone that created you and loves you and wants eternal life for you. That's far more important than being comfortable in this temporary shell of a home.
I am so sorry to hear about your wife and your father and I hope I have not rubbed salt into those wounds.

I appreciate your thoughtful and caring response.

I've been praying so long.

If what I have believed is true, the bible being the inerrant Word of God, then it should stand true all the the time under all circumstances. It should be a rock that weathers any storm and stands firm against any assault. When, believing, I pray, not expecting actual mountain's to be uprooted and walk to where I will, but believing that a response, even an unexpected response, is coming but never does. It contradicts my understanding of scripture.

I am tired and frustrated. This does not bode well for my relationship with God. I feel like He just isn't there. And I don't mean any disrespect when I say that. It is just cause and effect. If prayer + time = 0 then prayer = 0.

I don't want to believe that but it is becoming an inescapable conclusion.
 

bluto

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It was an idiom. I'm not waiting for a check. I'm not dictating a solution and waiting for that solution. I have been waiting for a response to prayer for a very long time and coming to the conclusion that a response isn't coming. I am therefore trying to understand how that affects my understanding of God and my relationship with God. Is God refusing to respond or am I wrong to expect that a response is coming? How does the answer to these question affect my assumption that the bible is inerrant? Do I need to reassess?
You might want to read the following verses. Psalm 27:14. Isaiah 40:31. Isaiah 49:23. I can also give you about 113 more verses on waiting on the Lord.

Remember God works on His timetable. Most of us need to grow in the area of trusting God. If your not trusting God your missing joy and peace and in your case "complaining." Read Galatians 5:22.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
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1,2 & 3 are incorrect. don't compare children to adults here is the one relief for kids who passed on: they are in heaven & that's forever. NO SUFFERING THERE, ALL PERFECT & JOYFUL. are you born again Christian? something seems to be missed by you. maybe what you are asking for is not God's plan for you. He may see that in His infinite eternal perfect wisdom, what you want is wrong. are you too anxious? or, just maybe, it isn't time for Him to give you what you asked for. also, He knows who will abuse an answer. the best life is the Christian life. if not b.a., get converted now ask Jesus to come into your heart & save you. if you are b.a., you can ask the Holy Spirit any time to speak to you. there are countless Christians who waited for decades for an answer to prayer. i'm 1 of them. i've been asking Jesus for a few things since i was about 20. i'm 64 now. & these requests are coming true this year, they have started to arrive! i went thru a trial allowed by God from November of 23' til about early May of this year. i am giving myself a score of 90-95 because i was the most patient, enduring, understanding & wise with it. 7 gifts have arrived & more to come. 1 is a very special item i purchased as i am in the antique business & multiple people are interested in buying this. in fact, i could allow it to make headlines all over the world but i am not going to make that choice. the wait is the biggest test & hurt. all of us Christians know that. i really hope you are filled with understanding, knowledge & wisdom in this situation & that you apply all that. blessings to you, outlander.
Hi Karlon,

I thought I was born again. There have been times in my life where I have been more devout, and times that I was less so. I would pray and say that if nothing else, I want my life to stand for gratitude. I could even stand there at the end of the world with flaming meteors crashing down around me and still I would boldly proclaim that God was good to me when I didn't deserve it and I am proclaiming that now as a testimony of His goodness.

I know, a little dramatic, I admit. But that is how I felt about it. I had this idea that I would create a prayer list, to make sure I covered all the bases when I prayed. On this list were three thorns. Other items came and went but those thorns persisted. Eventually I started focusing on those thorns and wondering why? And why I, as a believer, couldn't get any movent on them.

Then I started to question if I was even being heard at all. The more time went on the more I started questioning my relationship with God. I even posted on this site asking how can I even know if I am really saved? Lot of very generous responses and yet, still nothing changed.

It has come to a point where it is destroying my faith. I can't believe I am heard and that brings my whole belief system and previous assumptions in question. Why would God lead me to the exit door? I don't understand that. Unless I was wrong all along. Which wouldn't be the first time.
 

ResidentAlien

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It was an idiom. I'm not waiting for a check. I'm not dictating a solution and waiting for that solution. I have been waiting for a response to prayer for a very long time and coming to the conclusion that a response isn't coming. I am therefore trying to understand how that affects my understanding of God and my relationship with God. Is God refusing to respond or am I wrong to expect that a response is coming? How does the answer to these question affect my assumption that the bible is inerrant? Do I need to reassess?
Patience has no time limit. God wants us to trust Him. Have you considered your faith is being tested? God does that you know.
 
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Patience has no time limit. God wants us to trust Him. Have you considered your faith is being tested? God does that you know.
Doesn't He know the limits of my strength? Why test a thing you know is going to fail?

To prove I need Him? Its already obvious and known and confessed.
 

ResidentAlien

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Doesn't He know the limits of my strength? Why test a thing you know is going to fail?

To prove I need Him? Its already obvious and known and confessed.
I don't know. I find it's a lot simpler to just trust Him than to question everything He does.
 
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I don't know. I find it's a lot simpler to just trust Him than to question everything He does.
I appreciate that attitude. For me, I have to believe in things that are real. I am struggling with a contradiction that calls that into question. It is a very uncomfortable place to be.
 
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You might want to read the following verses. Psalm 27:14. Isaiah 40:31. Isaiah 49:23. I can also give you about 113 more verses on waiting on the Lord.

Remember God works on His timetable. Most of us need to grow in the area of trusting God. If your not trusting God your missing joy and peace and in your case "complaining." Read Galatians 5:22.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I appreciate the verses Bluto. I will read them.

I may be complaining but sometimes complaining is the correct response. I am not pompous, or angry, or demanding. I am just questioning if my believes are valid. Maybe reading these verses will bless me with some insight. I appreciate it, thanks.
 

BillyBob

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Then I started to question if I was even being heard at all. The more time went on the more I started questioning my relationship with God. I even posted on this site asking how can I even know if I am really saved? Lot of very generous responses and yet, still nothing changed.

It has come to a point where it is destroying my faith. I can't believe I am heard and that brings my whole belief system and previous assumptions in question. Why would God lead me to the exit door? I don't understand that. Unless I was wrong all along. Which wouldn't be the first time.
Outlander,
I was over 40yrs old before I became a believer!
I began going to church simply because my wife was a Christian. It was simply to support her and for no other reason.
I had absolutely no expectations for myself. Believe me when I tell you that I sat in church for almost 2 years, looking at everyone around me and wondering why they were so strong in faith – yet I could not ever see myself having such faith.
I now know that my main problem was that of assurance! I knew that I was a sinner, had been all my life, and could not believe that a just and merciful God could ever forgive me. But, thankfully I eventually overcame this and understood that God can indeed forgive anyone!
I hear the same doubt in you voice. The doubt is usually brought on by some sin in our life that is persistent and hard to overcome. Then Satan appears and tells you that you are not worthy.
Listen to me when I tell you that no one is worthy of God's blessings, and no one will become a perfect saint in this lifetime.
The very fact that you claim to have a thorn that is troubling you speaks well for your relationship with God. Seal this truth in your heart and pray that the thorn will be removed, but understand that it may remain. God does not take every thorn away! Sometimes He leaves a few behind to remind you that you need Him, but that does not mean that you are unforgiven!