Man imputed Jesus with sin on the cross, not God.

[PaulThomson]

How else did he who knew no sin become sin?

How else did he pay for my sin?

show me the word trinity in the bible. or do you reject that biblical truth also?

I believe that Jesus is God. I believe that the Father is God. I believe that the Holy Spirit is God. I believe God is one unanimous government over His creation. There is no power struggle between Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They are one.

There are many models of "trinity". If I said I believed in trinity, the next question would be which kind of trinity? And you would argue whether my model of trinity is correct one? I follow Jesus: God became human at the conception of Jesus. I aim to walk with the risen Jesus in the Way He taught.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

"Spiritual death" is not mentioned in scripture. How can you assert that it is the wages of sin, when the scriptures do not define it?

You were dead, if your saved, you were made alive, please explain this death, since it is not physical

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Humans "give up the ghost" every day, who were assaulted.

Um. No

Humans die. Jesus left his body.. willingly

And they become homicide victims. Are you saying that they were not killed by men because they gave up any struggle to stay alive? So, they were no murdered?

lol. please try to keep up

they did not give up the ghost. they died.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Correct. God did not require anyone to be punished for our sins. Jesus was killed out of/because of/on account of/as a result of humanity's sins performed by His contemporaries against Him. He was punished unjustly by men for sins they falsely attributed to Him.

actually yes God did

please study the law.Even adam and eve required an animal sacrifice

If God did not require sacrifice, Jesus died in vein

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Where are you getting your certainty from? Babies die in the womb, having done neither good or evil, that is, not having sinned. Their deaths are not a result of their own sins.

Deu 1:39
And your little ones, of whom ye said, They shall be a prey, and your children, who this day know neither good nor evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

om 9:11
the children indeed being not yet born, or having done anything good or worthless (that the purpose of God according to election might abide, not of works, but of him that calls),

What does "died spiritually" mean to you, and where is that definition or description of "died spiritually" in scripture ?

Jesus said man can kill the body, but not the soul. He never talked about spirits dying. Jesus' body and soul died. Nowhere do we read of His spirit dying.

read three posts ago.

you did not die and were ressurected by Grace

you were dead. and was made alive.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I believe that Jesus is God. I believe that the Father is God. I believe that the Holy Spirit is God. I believe God is one unanimous government over His creation. There is no power struggle between Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They are one.

There are many models of "trinity". If I said I believed in trinity, the next question would be which kind of trinity? And you would argue whether my model of trinity is correct one? I follow Jesus: God became human at the conception of Jesus. I aim to walk with the risen Jesus in the Way He taught.

thanks for proving the word does not have to be word for word or even in the bible to be true.

 

[JacobGilbert]

A common Christian tradition is that God imputed our sins to His Son Jesus on the cross, so that He would pay the price of our sins instead of us.

First, No Scripture ever says that the righteous God imputes any evil to the righteous, especially not the sins of those doing unrighteousness. And by no means to His own Son Jesus Christ the righteous, who never sinned, nor knew any sin in His own soul and life.

What is the Scripture, that is abused by men to say. that God did impute sin, and esteem Jesus legally guilty, and smitten by law?

Isa 53:34:
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Who is it, that Scriptures says will impute Jesus Christ with sin, and esteem Him smitten of God on the cross, as if by law of God? God Himself, or man? Only man, not God.

And so, we see the prophecy was not of God Himself esteeming Jesus guilty of sin unto death by law, but only of sinful men believing He was guilty of blasphemy and smitten by law:

Mar 14:64
Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

Only men imputed Jesus with sin of blasphemy, and esteemed Him guilty by law and smitten of God on the cross. Not God Himself at all...And only some men still believe by false tradition, the lie that God imputed His Son with sin, and made Him legally guilty of sin unto death.

Jesus Christ was the Christ and Son of God on earth, and not a blasphemer, even though all men believed otherwise at the cross, and in death. No one went to His tomb on the third day to watch Him rise again, as He said, but only to anoint His dead body...

Verse 4 does say we esteemed Him stricken. That part is true. Men called Him a blasphemer. Men passed the death sentence. Nobody sat at the tomb expecting a resurrection. All of that stands.

Then the chapter keeps talking.

“The Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”
“It pleased the Lord to bruise him.”
“He shall bear their iniquities.”
“He bare the sin of many.”

This not the crowd. That is the prophet naming the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:21, Galatians 3:13, and 1 Peter 2:24 say the same thing in different words. If your case is “no verse ever has God putting sin on Jesus,” those verses end the argument in one round.

The thing you are actually right about is narrower, and that is the version that holds.

Jesus never became a sinner. He never knew sin in His own soul. The Father did not look at the Son and suddenly judge Him as a blasphemer. The Sanhedrin’s verdict was a lie. God did not join that lie.

What the cross was: the righteous One bearing sin He did not commit, as a sacrifice, not as a convert to guilt. The guilt was ours. The offering was His. Men thought God was crushing a criminal. God was accepting a lamb.

 

[rewriter]

What I have yet to notice in this discussion is 1st century context. What was known by the general public in the 1st century that we do not easily know today and how is it relevant?