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No other man was born of a virgin. If that's what your asking. Only Jesus.
Yes Jesus was the Word. He was the invisible image of God. Yep yep
No other man was born of a virgin. If that's what your asking. Only Jesus.
Yes Jesus was the Word. He was the invisible image of God. Yep yep
again you said earlier: Just a name in my book. when asked about your screen name
that name does not exist in the bible in any format i have looked extensively and exhaustively, it only occurs in the Talmud.....
are you saying you use that book simiel?....
or is it the samaul from the book of mormon the lds uses
No other man was born of a virgin. If that's what your asking. Only Jesus.
Yes Jesus was the Word. He was the invisible image of God. Yep yep
Originally Posted by Simiel
"I will say again.. Jesus was a God in heaven but He left all his heavenly divine Godly power in heaven when He walk the earth... The Holy Spirit empowered him to do all things.. Yes we can do the same thing because his disciples did also and they was fully man."
So how do those two statements fit?
I find a contradiction because you say that Jesus was a God in heaven who left his Godly powers there when He walked on earth.
If He is the Word, He stopped being the Word?
And I believe Jesus is the visible image of God.
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Simile when asked about you name you said:
As I said before I chose the name be caused I liked the way it sounds. The name has no significance to me or mean anything. Just a name in my book.
So i ask you again
that name does not exist in the bible in any format i have looked extensively and exhaustively, it only occurs in the Talmud.....
are you saying you use that book simiel?....
or is it the samaul from the book of mormon the lds uses
so either you are not Christian or
if you are using an idiom to prosperously create strife why us it in a way that can be taken so deeply wrong? why use that name if you know its wrong? a Christian would not use that name.
either way you are not acting like a Christian
Originally Posted by Simiel
"I will say again.. Jesus was a God in heaven but He left all his heavenly divine Godly power in heaven when He walk the earth... The Holy Spirit empowered him to do all things.. Yes we can do the same thing because his disciples did also and they was fully man."
So how do those two statements fit?
I find a contradiction because you say that Jesus was a God in heaven who left his Godly powers there when He walked on earth.
If He is the Word, He stopped being the Word?
And I believe Jesus is the visible image of God.
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
The word is Spirit and Life... No Jesus didn't stop being the Word
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you said this was means past tense or that he stoped at one point so you just lied
No other man was born of a virgin. If that's what your asking. Only Jesus.
Yes Jesus was the Word. He was the invisible image of God. Yep yep
Simile when asked about you name you said:
As I said before I chose the name be caused I liked the way it sounds. The name has no significance to me or mean anything. Just a name in my book.
So i ask you again
that name does not exist in the bible in any format i have looked extensively and exhaustively, it only occurs in the Talmud.....
are you saying you use that book simiel?....
or is it the samaul from the book of mormon the lds uses
so either you are not Christian or
if you are using an idiom to prosperously create strife why us it in a way that can be taken so deeply wrong? why use that name if you know its wrong? a Christian would not use that name.
either way why are you not acting like a Christian
With respect, I fail to see how his username is pertinent to this thread; a username he's had longer than both of us have been members. It can't be changed without an act from the powers that be on this site. Just a friendly reminder against personal attacks.
From the Sticky thread at the top of this bible forum (by one of our Admins):
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...eated-discussions-please-read.html#post116063
Let's try to steer this back to the discussion guys...
From the Sticky thread at the top of this bible forum (by one of our Admins):
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...eated-discussions-please-read.html#post116063
Let's try to steer this back to the discussion guys...
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Arwen4CJ
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So to be clear, the discussion here is this:
Those in favor of NAR doctrines need to argue their case from Scripture, and they need to use logic and reasoning and respond to the questions and comments brought up..
Those who oppose the NAR doctrines need to argue their case from Scripture, and they need to use logic and reasoning and respond to the questions and comments brought up...
Specifically, the pieces of NAR doctrine that have come up so far in this thread are these:
1.) Do Christians still have a sinful nature after they are saved, and can we still sin?
2.) Did Jesus give up being God during the incarnation? Did He lay aside His deity and all His divine powers and do all miracles only as a man who was empowered by the Holy Spirit?
3.) Whether or not healing is guaranteed in the atonement
However, the topic of this thread also deals with:
4.) Any other part of Manifest Sons of God teaching or NAR teaching
If anyone posts anything other than the above four topics in this thread, your post will be ignored by me.
And everyone participating needs to be forthright about their position. No playing games.
If you cannot meet the above requirements for discussion, then the discussion is over. I will not debate with someone who is just throwing random things out there, or who does not respond to the questions or comments that are brought up, or who is not completely honest about their position. It is a total waste of time if you're just here to spread your NAR doctrine.
Those of us who oppose NAR doctrine, let's not take this discussion in other directions either. We're here to show those caught up in false doctrine the truth. It's their choice what they want to do with it.
Those in favor of NAR doctrines need to argue their case from Scripture, and they need to use logic and reasoning and respond to the questions and comments brought up..
Those who oppose the NAR doctrines need to argue their case from Scripture, and they need to use logic and reasoning and respond to the questions and comments brought up...
Specifically, the pieces of NAR doctrine that have come up so far in this thread are these:
1.) Do Christians still have a sinful nature after they are saved, and can we still sin?
2.) Did Jesus give up being God during the incarnation? Did He lay aside His deity and all His divine powers and do all miracles only as a man who was empowered by the Holy Spirit?
3.) Whether or not healing is guaranteed in the atonement
However, the topic of this thread also deals with:
4.) Any other part of Manifest Sons of God teaching or NAR teaching
If anyone posts anything other than the above four topics in this thread, your post will be ignored by me.
And everyone participating needs to be forthright about their position. No playing games.
If you cannot meet the above requirements for discussion, then the discussion is over. I will not debate with someone who is just throwing random things out there, or who does not respond to the questions or comments that are brought up, or who is not completely honest about their position. It is a total waste of time if you're just here to spread your NAR doctrine.
Those of us who oppose NAR doctrine, let's not take this discussion in other directions either. We're here to show those caught up in false doctrine the truth. It's their choice what they want to do with it.
What's a Nar doctrine? I only teach the Doctrine of Christ... I can just quote what Jesus said and handle your beliefs with that...
2) if you can't prove Jesus did any miracles before he receive the Holy Spirit. You can't justify your answer.
3) healing in the atonement.. Saved to Greek is sozo which means to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction
one (from injury or peril)
to save a suffering one (from perishing), i.e. one suffering from disease, to make well, heal, restore to health
to preserve one who is in danger of destruction, to save or rescue
to save in the technical biblical sense
negatively 1b
to deliver from the penalties of the Messianic judgment 1b
to save from the evils which obstruct the reception of the Messianic deliverance
Are you saved now or later? If you are saved now that means healed, restored to health..
1. 8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
It's in the highly detailed version lol think I have the only one very very rare.. ..... I see you take things literally like when I told you to speak to King James about what was written...
As I said before I chose the name be caused I liked the way it sounds. The name has no significance to me or mean anything. Just a name in my book.
and you still didn't answer my question.
you said
When he died and went into the belly of the earth he beat up the devil and took our authority back.. Lol ok ok when I he went there he got our authority back.
WHERE IN THE CANON BIBLE IS THAT? ARE YOU USING A BIBLE?
don't try and say you are using a idiom your not
or is it from the same one that has you screen name in it witch is the talmud.
simiel this is the second time you refer a book that you use that is not the bible???
When he died and went into the belly of the earth he beat up the devil and took our authority back.. Lol ok ok when I he went there he got our authority back.
and whats with that "I" were you about to say your were god again. forgot to take that out.......and shouldn't that be His authority???
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Arwen4CJ
Guest
And everyone participating needs to be forthright about their position. No playing games.
If you cannot meet the above requirements for discussion, then the discussion is over. I will not debate with someone who is just throwing random things out there, or who does not respond to the questions or comments that are brought up, or who is not completely honest about their position. It is a total waste of time if you're just here to spread your NAR doctrine.
Simiel, you admitted to the fact that one of your favorite pastors is a NAR teacher. You also let out that he wasn't the only one you listen to when you talked about teachers that you listen to in an earlier comment. And yet you play ignorant. I'm not playing your game. Let this be a warning to you. I'm not responding to anything until you show me that you are not playing games.
You make assumptions?
If you have scriptures up top for your questions, by all means right them in...
If not end the discussion here if you can't prove what you believe with scripture.. It was a great conversation,
If I don't play games then I will have to be stern with you. Nobody wants that
It's in the highly detailed version lol think I have the only one very very rare.. ..... I see you take things literally like when I told you to speak to King James about what was written...
As I said before I chose the name be caused I liked the way it sounds. The name has no significance to me or mean anything. Just a name in my book.
and you still didn't answer my question.
you said
When he died and went into the belly of the earth he beat up the devil and took our authority back.. Lol ok ok when I he went there he got our authority back.
WHERE IN THE CANON BIBLE IS THAT? ARE YOU USING A BIBLE?
don't try and say you are using a idiom your not
or is it from the same one that has you screen name in it witch is the talmud.
simiel this is the second time you refer a book that you use that is not the bible???
When he died and went into the belly of the earth he beat up the devil and took our authority back.. Lol ok ok when I he went there he got our authority back.
and whats with that "I" were you about to say your were god again. forgot to take that out.......and shouldn't that be His authority???
why don't you answer me?
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Arwen4CJ
Guest
Look back at posts #188 and #190 in this thread to see what I'm referring to. You're not going to goad me into a game. I have Scripture to back up my viewpoint, but I'm not playing. You are not being forthright, and you have a mocking attitude.
I don't think you're going to ever take this discussion seriously, so, yeah, I'm done debating you. I gave you a chance to straighten up and be forthright and honest here, and you are showing that you're going to continue as you have been.
Bye, Simiel. As I said, I will be praying for you.
If anyone else wants to discuss things with me in this thread, they are welcome to it, as long as they do what I outlined above in post #230.
Adios mi amigo.. That's what you call a debate? I was still in my warm up suit lol jk
A smart man you are but you can't waver me for my foundation is strong. If milk is all you have there's not much more that can be said here.. May you receive revelation knowledge.. Thanks for your prayers may they be a beautiful fragrance to the Farther.
It's in the highly detailed version lol think I have the only one very very rare.. ..... I see you take things literally like when I told you to speak to King James about what was written...
As I said before I chose the name be caused I liked the way it sounds. The name has no significance to me or mean anything. Just a name in my book.
and you still didn't answer my question.
you said
When he died and went into the belly of the earth he beat up the devil and took our authority back.. Lol ok ok when I he went there he got our authority back.
WHERE IN THE CANON BIBLE IS THAT? ARE YOU USING A BIBLE?
don't try and say you are using a idiom your not
or is it from the same one that has you screen name in it witch is the talmud.
simiel this is the second time you refer a book that you use that is not the bible???
When he died and went into the belly of the earth he beat up the devil and took our authority back.. Lol ok ok when I he went there he got our authority back.
and whats with that "I" were you about to say your were god again. forgot to take that out.......and shouldn't that be His authority???
why don't you answer me? where is you foundation and knowledge? are you afraid simiel?