Many Say ‘Just Believe’… But What Did Jesus Actually Teach?

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I'm just trying to help the Mormon elders who join this site. 😉
We've seen a LOT of Mormon teaching lately.

Here's a quote from one of their books that they say is another testament.

O all ye that are spared because ye were more righteous than they, will ye not now return unto me, and repent of your sins, and be converted, that I may heal you? Yea, verily I say unto you, if ye will come unto me ye shall have eternal life.
3 Nephi 9:13

@2Christ. They are implying you are Mormon. Are you?


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Jesus didn't teach salvation doubting. Yes, we are instructed to examine ourselves, to see if we are in the faith. That is, search out our doubts and host fast to our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. I heard that Mormons examine whether their underwear in order to see if they are in the faith.
 
Heb 10:35
Therefore, do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward.
 
He who endureth to the end will be saved...

The context of this isn't actually deliverance from sins.

The context is deliverance from troubled times during tribulations.

Different kind of 'saved'
Jesus consistently connects enduring in faith and obedience with receiving eternal life. Being delivered from earthly troubles is not the main point, because many faithful believers will still die during persecution.

It is true that Matthew 24 is speaking about the tribulation, but Jesus does not say those who endure will escape suffering or physical death. In fact, He had already warned that many believers would be hated, persecuted, and even killed (Matthew 24:9). If "saved" meant only being delivered from the troubles of that time, then those faithful martyrs would not fit His words.

Jesus says, "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." (Matthew 24:13, NKJV). The "end" is the end of a faithful life or the end of this age, when Christ returns. The salvation Jesus promises is the same salvation He speaks of elsewhere: eternal life in the Kingdom of God.

Jesus repeatedly taught that salvation belongs to those who continue faithfully. "He who endures to the end shall be saved." (Matthew 10:22). "Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life." (Revelation 2:10). "He who overcomes shall inherit all things." (Revelation 21:7).

So while the setting is the tribulation, the salvation Jesus speaks of is not merely surviving difficult times. It is the final salvation received by those who remain faithful to Him until the end.
 
Jesus consistently connects enduring in faith and obedience with receiving eternal life. Being delivered from earthly troubles is not the main point, because many faithful believers will still die during persecution.

It is true that Matthew 24 is speaking about the tribulation, but Jesus does not say those who endure will escape suffering or physical death. In fact, He had already warned that many believers would be hated, persecuted, and even killed (Matthew 24:9). If "saved" meant only being delivered from the troubles of that time, then those faithful martyrs would not fit His words.

Jesus says, "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." (Matthew 24:13, NKJV). The "end" is the end of a faithful life or the end of this age, when Christ returns. The salvation Jesus promises is the same salvation He speaks of elsewhere: eternal life in the Kingdom of God.

Jesus repeatedly taught that salvation belongs to those who continue faithfully. "He who endures to the end shall be saved." (Matthew 10:22). "Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life." (Revelation 2:10). "He who overcomes shall inherit all things." (Revelation 21:7).

So while the setting is the tribulation, the salvation Jesus speaks of is not merely surviving difficult times. It is the final salvation received by those who remain faithful to Him until the end.

Yes, saints will be saved from both sin and its consequence, and the final salvation does not follow a static/one talent life (Matt. 25:24-30), but rather it concludes the sanctification process during which saints grow in love toward moral maturity/perfection
(Eph. 3:16-19, 4:11-15, Phil. 3:12-16).
 
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Many people ask when a person actually receives eternal life. The Bible shows that there is a promise of eternal life now for those who truly believe in and follow Jesus, but the full gift of eternal life is received after the resurrection and the final judgment. Jesus said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." (John 5:24). He also said, "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." (John 17:3). Those who belong to Christ already have God's promise, but they must continue to abide in Him.

Jesus also taught that eternal life is inherited after the final judgment. Speaking of His return, He said, "Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.'" (Matthew 25:34). He then concluded, "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." (Matthew 25:46). First comes the judgment, then the righteous enter eternal life.

Jesus explained that before this happens, the dead will be raised. "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." (John 5:28-29). This shows that eternal life is fully received after the resurrection and God's judgment.

The Bible also teaches that repentance must take place during this life, not after judgment. Jesus warned, "I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish." (Luke 13:3). He repeated the same warning again in (Luke 13:5). There is no passage where Jesus teaches that people can repent after the final judgment has been given.

Who decides who receives eternal life? Jesus answered this clearly: "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son." (John 5:22). He also said that the Father "has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man." (John 5:27). Jesus is the Judge of all mankind.

Jesus also explained how He will judge. "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him, the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day." (John 12:48). He also said, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works." (Matthew 16:27). Therefore, people are judged by Christ according to His words and by the life they have lived in response to Him.

Jesus also warned that we must remain faithful until the end. "He who endures to the end shall be saved." (Matthew 24:13). He further said, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing... If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered." (John 15:5-6). This shows that continuing to follow Christ is essential.

The Bible therefore teaches that God promises eternal life to those who repent, believe, and follow His Son, but the final gift of eternal life is given by Jesus after the resurrection and the final judgment. Repentance belongs to this life, because after judgment the decision has been made. Jesus Christ is the Judge, and those who have remained faithful to Him will hear the words, "Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world." (Matthew 25:34).
John Wesley similarly taught that there is initial justification and then final justification when we stand before the judgement throne.
 

Many Say ‘Just Believe’… But What Did Jesus Actually Teach? cont. from the O.P


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Belief in Jesus is not only about saying we believe, or knowing His name. Belief in Jesus is seen in how we treat others every day. Jesus made this very clear. Love is not a small part of faith. It is at the center of it. Without it, everything else loses its meaning.

John 13:34–35 (ASV)
A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; even as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.”

Jesus says this is how people will know who truly follows Him. Not by words alone, not by knowledge, but by love. And not just any love, but “as I have loved you.” His love was patient, kind, and giving. He helped the weak, He fed the hungry, He showed mercy to sinners, and He did not turn away those who came to Him.

This means love is not only a feeling. It is action. It is helping when someone is in need. It is speaking gently instead of harshly. It is being patient when others are difficult. It is giving time, attention, and care.

Jesus goes even further and calls us to love beyond what feels natural.

Matthew 5:44–45 (ASV)
“But I say unto you, love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you; that ye may be sons of your Father who is in heaven…”

This kind of love is not easy. To love those who hurt us, to pray for them instead of speaking against them, this goes against the natural heart. But this is the love that shows God’s work in a person.

In daily life, this can be very simple. It can be choosing not to answer anger with anger. It can be helping someone who has not treated you well. It can be praying for someone who speaks against you. It can be showing kindness when you could choose to walk away.

Jesus also gives a warning about love growing cold.

Matthew 24:12 (ASV)
“And because iniquity shall be multiplied, the love of the many shall wax cold.”

This shows that love must be guarded. The world can harden the heart. Sin around us can make us tired and closed. But the believer must hold on to love and not let it fade.
So true belief is seen in love that continues. Not only when it is easy, but also when it is hard. This love shows that a person is walking with God.

About forgiving others

Jesus teaches that forgiveness is not separate from faith. It is part of it. A person who has received mercy must also give mercy. If we hold on to anger and refuse to forgive, it affects our own relationship with God.

Matthew 6:14–15 (ASV)
“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”


These words are direct and clear. Forgiveness is not optional. It is part of the path. A person cannot ask God for mercy while refusing to show mercy to others.

Peter once asked a question that many people still ask.
“Then came Peter and said to him, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? until seven times?
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times; but, Until seventy times seven.”
Matthew 18:21–22 (ASV)

Jesus is not giving a number to count. He is showing that forgiveness is a way of life. It is not limited. Just as God is patient, we are called to be patient.
Jesus also gave a parable to explain this more deeply.

Matthew 18:32–33 (ASV)
“Then his lord called him unto him, and saith to him, Thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou besoughtest me: shouldest not thou also have had mercy on thy fellow-servant, even as I had mercy on thee?”

The message is simple. We forgive because we have been forgiven. When we remember how much mercy we have received, it helps us show mercy to others.

In daily life, forgiveness can be difficult. It can mean letting go of hurt that feels deep. It can mean choosing not to speak badly about someone who wronged you. It can mean refusing to seek revenge, even when you feel justified.
Forgiveness does not mean saying wrong is right. It means not holding hatred in the heart. It means giving the matter to God and choosing peace instead of bitterness.

This is part of true belief. A heart that follows Jesus will learn to forgive again and again.


About humility and becoming like a child

Jesus teaches that belief must be humble. Pride closes the heart, but humility opens it. A proud person trusts in himself. A humble person trusts in God.

Matthew 18:3–4 (ASV)
“And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye turn, and become as little children, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.”

A child is simple. A child trusts, listens, and is ready to learn. Jesus says we must become like this. Not childish, but childlike in heart. Open, trusting, and willing to follow.

He also shows this through a simple example.

Luke 18:10–14 (ASV)
“Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as the rest of men…
But the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God, be thou merciful to me a sinner. I say unto you, This man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be humbled; but he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”


This shows the difference between pride and humility. One trusted in himself. The other saw his need and asked for mercy. Jesus says the humble one was accepted.

In daily life, humility shows in simple ways. It is being willing to listen. It is admitting when we are wrong. It is not thinking we are better than others. It is serving instead of seeking to be served.

Jesus also lived this Himself. He served others and did not seek honor from men.
Matthew 23:11–12 (ASV)

“But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled; and whosoever shall humble himself shall be exalted.”


So the path is clear. The one who lowers himself will be lifted by God.

When we bring these teachings together, the message stays simple and strong.
Belief in Jesus is seen in love that acts, forgiveness that does not stop, and humility that trusts God.

These are not extra things added to faith. They are the life of faith.
A person who believes will learn to love, even when it is hard.
He will forgive again and again.
He will walk in humility, like a child before God.

This is the kind of heart Jesus is looking for, and this is the path He showed.
 
He who endureth to the end will be saved...

The context of this isn't actually deliverance from sins.

The context is deliverance from troubled times during tribulations.

Different kind of 'saved'

It is indeed physical endurance.
 
i don't know why. someone would say that, I know some live in Pensylvania and live in isolation but that is about it. i was raised catholic ( but am not any longer) I belong to no church and Follow Christ. To joke perhaps but i don't get it

I only have one thing to add to this thread, because this is a common faulty interpretation of scripture and people rarely leave their passion to save themselves in earnest.

I do know that Christ Jesus did it all and His gift of salvation is received in this life, it is secure and it brings with all His faithful promise of final glorification.
 
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He as making a joke... read the posts.

What joke?

I'm just trying to help the Mormon elders who join this site. 😉
We've seen a LOT of Mormon teaching lately.

Here's a quote from one of their books that they say is another testament.

O all ye that are spared because ye were more righteous than they, will ye not now return unto me, and repent of your sins, and be converted, that I may heal you? Yea, verily I say unto you, if ye will come unto me ye shall have eternal life.
3 Nephi 9:13

Why would he post that on this thread when there are NO MORMONS participating on this thread?

If you guys don't want to obey God, why don't you just say so? It's not like God don't already know!


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What joke?
"Repent Of Your Sins" Sermon Prep
Strong Mormon requirement for salvation. Even the phrase is a Mormon book quote, Not in my Bible. (See previous posts)
Why would he post that on this thread when there are NO MORMONS participating on this thread?
I'm not singling any one person out. I am singling out EVERY preacher, member and lurker.
One lady already started with the definition.

Is it asking too much to ask if your congregations are worth a basic word study?
I'm not the one you have to answer to. God is our Judge.
He provided the answers.
 
"Repent Of Your Sins" Sermon Prep
Strong Mormon requirement for salvation. Even the phrase is a Mormon book quote, Not in my Bible. (See previous posts)

I'm not singling any one person out. I am singling out EVERY preacher, member and lurker.
One lady already started with the definition.

Is it asking too much to ask if your congregations are worth a basic word study?


Why on this thread? There are no Mormons participating here. Start your own thread if you're so concerned about them.

Don't derail the thread. If you don't want to obey God, He already knows. You don't need to deflect.


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"Repent Of Your Sins" Sermon Prep
Strong Mormon requirement for salvation. Even the phrase is a Mormon book quote, Not in my Bible. (See previous posts)

I'm not singling any one person out. I am singling out EVERY preacher, member and lurker.
One lady already started with the definition.

Is it asking too much to ask if your congregations are worth a basic word study?
I'm not the one you have to answer to. God is our Judge.
He provided the answers.
just so you know in not a Mormon I am not part of any denomination by choice. Jesus did say repent so its probably why i did not understand that joke since it is what Jesus said one must do. This joke thing, lets forget about it, and not speak about it any longer it's not important, what is, is the message of Christ. Repent is one of his message, he started His ministry with it and John the Baptist prepared the way with the exact same message "REPENT" its no joking matter. Do you believe one must repent? I know you do. I don't have a sense of humour? when I discuss Christ and his teachings, Im dead serious about it, especially now we are close to his second coming, this generation I am certain about it I was warned, and time is so short.
 
Some people must want to feel they get ahead and get they get by hard work...

Acts 16:31​
They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

That will not sit right with some.
 
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