Matt 1:21 He Shall save His People

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Ahhh, no, that is not what it is saying. Read it closely. What it is saying is that true belief (itself) is GIVEN by God as a gift to those He chose, as a byproduct of salvation. It cannot be acquired by man, nor dependent upon man, to give to himself.

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Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

this is Jesus answering the question what must I do to receive ….

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered,The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.””
‭‭John‬ ‭6:28-29‬ ‭NIV‬‬

That’s the issue with one verse theology

“Ahhh, no, that is not what it is saying. Read it closely”

i have gods work to save us what he’s done , what he’s promised to do in the Old Testament to save souls is the gospel. When you say “ it’s gods work that saves us “ I’m saying gods work that he did to save us was and is the gospel of his beloved son Jesus Christ

I’d say you should read it more carefully but first start right here

“He said to them, “Go into all the world and 1 preach the gospel to all creation.

2 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved,

3 but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16

It’s not saying “ whoever god chooses to save will believe …. It’s saying preach the gospel to everyone and whoever believes as a result shall be saved

and whoever doesn’t believe as a result shall be damned

my point is that is what god did to save us after he accomplished the works needed to save sinners he sent the message out to the whole world and said “ whoever believes this message of the gospel shall be saved “ but whoever doesn’t believe this message of the gospel shall be damned “


I think it’s really straight forward all was lost so he made a way for us to be saved through repentance and remission of sins in Christs name

 
Which part ? That the gospel was sent to all creation promising salvation to those who believe ? Damnation to those who reject it ?

you had responded to this so ?

“anyone who believes the gospel will receive the gift”

And said you have no problem with this

“He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭NIV‬‬
All of it, thats what part.
 
this is Jesus answering the question what must I do to receive ….

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered,The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.””
‭‭John‬ ‭6:28-29‬ ‭NIV‬‬

That’s the issue with one verse theology

First, it is not one verse theology. I showed you previously a verse that effectively says the same thing. There are many more.
Nevertheless, regardless of what their question was, Jesus told them in no uncertain terms that there was nothing they could do to work the works of God - that only God can do them, that's what makes them works of God. It is crystal clear - it is God's work alone within/to someone for them to believe. He does not do so for everyone but only for His chosen people. You are adding to those verses doctrines that they do not and cannot support based upon their words, because you do not like the doctrine that Christ alone is the Savior, not man.

[Jhn 10:26 KJV] 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
 
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First, it is not one verse theology. I showed you previously a verse that effectively says the same thing. There are many more.
Nevertheless, regardless of what their question was, Jesus told them in no uncertain terms that there was nothing they could do to work the works of God - that only God can do them, that's what makes them works of God. It is crystal clear - it is God's work alone within/to someone for them to believe. He does not do so for everyone but only for His chosen people. You are adding to those verses doctrines that they do not and cannot support based upon their words, because you do not like the doctrine that Christ alone is the Savior, not man.

[Jhn 10:26 KJV] 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
“First, it is not one verse theology. I showed you previously a verse that effectively says the same thing.”

exactly you did the same thing with a different verse that you did with that single verse. Your quote from John 6 is before he died and rose and sent the fospel to everyone

“He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15

quoting from John 6 before all
People were included by the gospel isnt really going to address what I’ve said that the gospel being preached to all people is what he’s done to save all people and it will if they believe but if they reject it it’s not going to save them .

The Pharisees and teachers of the law is who Jesus was addressing in your first quote they were Moses sheep who trusted in Moses and the law of the ot so
Obviously they aren’t his sheep seems
Logical

“Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They were under the old testement and trusted it more than him this is why they aren’t his sheep .they trusted in Moses law saw him as the shepherd of gods sheep didint accept Jesus , rejected him believing other things

many Jews still do today reject Jesus and swear by Moses

“and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13-15‬ ‭

they were filled with Moses word and had no room for his doctrine

“I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬
It’s why you constantly see them rejecting him and questioning him according to Moses words they weren’t followers of him the good shepherd not his sheep. They already had faith in the law and said he was a blasphemer for preaching the gospel

what I’ve said several times is he did this to save everyone

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

every creature covers everyone he sent the gospel to everyone and whoever receive the gospel will be saved whoever rejects it won’t be

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s a product of Jesus sending the gospel to all people promising salvation if they believe and damnation of they reject the witness of his son Jesus Christ we call the gospel
 
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“First, it is not one verse theology. I showed you previously a verse that effectively says the same thing.”

exactly you did the same thing with a different verse that you did with that single verse. Your quote from John 6 is before he died and rose and sent the fospel to everyone

“He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15

quoting from John 6 before all
People were included by the gospel isnt really going to address what I’ve said that the gospel being preached to all people is what he’s done to save all people and it will if they believe but if they reject it it’s not going to save them .

The Pharisees and teachers of the law is who Jesus was addressing in your first quote they were Moses sheep who trusted in Moses and the law of the ot so
Obviously they aren’t his sheep seems
Logical

“Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They were under the old testement and trusted it more than him this is why they aren’t his sheep .they trusted in Moses law saw him as the shepherd of gods sheep didint accept Jesus , rejected him believing other things

many Jews still do today reject Jesus and swear by Moses

“and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13-15‬ ‭

they were filled with Moses word and had no room for his doctrine

“I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬
It’s why you constantly see them rejecting him and questioning him according to Moses words they weren’t followers of him the good shepherd not his sheep. They already had faith in the law and said he was a blasphemer for preaching the gospel

what I’ve said several times is he did this to save everyone

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

every creature covers everyone he sent the gospel to everyone and whoever receive the gospel will be saved whoever rejects it won’t be

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s a product of Jesus sending the gospel to all people promising salvation if they believe and damnation of they reject the witness of his son Jesus Christ we call the gospel

Your primary error is that you do not understand HOW someone comes to believe, not whether they believe. We (brightfame52 and I), have been trying to explain the "how" to you, but for some reason you are unable to grasp it.
Let's do it this way, keep rereading those verses and when you can see/find/understand the "how" in them, post me and we will continue. Until then, I have no intention of wasting further time and effort to go through each verse of your post to repeatedly explain your error to you, given that, as of now at least, you would be incapable of understanding it. But I'll leave you with a hint: Christ alone is the Savior who alone gives salvation and everything pertaining to salvation as a free gift - that should get you started.
 
Your primary error is that you do not understand HOW someone comes to believe, not whether they believe. We (brightfame52 and I), have been trying to explain the "how" to you, but for some reason you are unable to grasp it.
Let's do it this way, keep rereading those verses and when you can see/find/understand the "how" in them, post me and we will continue. Until then, I have no intention of wasting further time and effort to go through each verse of your post to repeatedly explain your error to you, given that, as of now at least, you would be incapable of understanding it. But I'll leave you with a hint: Christ alone is the Savior who alone gives salvation and everything pertaining to salvation as a free gift - that should get you started.
Yeah you guys are always explaining what everyone doesn’t understand

Im good where I’m at don’t need to restart lol
 
How about if we find out on Judgment Day ?
This you mean ?


God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

For God does not show favoritism.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬


We could just accept it now so we’ll be prepared
 
Who are those that scripture promises that He shall save His People from their sins ? Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Why, it is none other than those scripture that scripture declares that He died for their sins 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Therefore the OUR SINS here are the His People of Matt 1:21 ! Who can deny that ? 1
 
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Yeah you guys are always explaining what everyone doesn’t understand

Im good where I’m at don’t need to restart lol
Yeah you guys are always explaining what everyone doesn’t understand

Im good where I’m at don’t need to restart lol

That is the problem, who do we follow JESUS or man?

First they are wrong, second what do they have to gain by telling people JESUS didn't die for you when HE DID?
 
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That is the problem, who do we follow JESUS or man?

First they are wrong, second what do they have to gain by telling people JESUS didn't die for you when HE DID?
Why tell people Jesus died for them when He didn't, wonder if they are not one of His Sheep ? Then He didn't die for them, so we should tell people that Jesus died for His Sheep or His People as Per Matt 1:21 and saved them, Justified them ! Now if they are one of the Sheep they will be given Faith to believe on Jesus who has saved them.
 
That is the problem, who do we follow JESUS or man?

First they are wrong, second what do they have to gain by telling people JESUS didn't die for you when HE DID?
I don’t think many believe we follow Jesus actually but that we just acknowledge he died and rose then that’s it . And we don’t need to do anything that he said we need to do ect sort of the reason Jesus posed this conundrum to them

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?


Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus calls us to listen to his words because things like this above call believers to repentance and obedience not because another Christian bests them into submission but because the individual believer in Jesus is confronted with Jesus own words teaching them who do believe in him sincerely as lord

Jesus most often was calling people to come to him and learn believing because it was meant to change our minds and perceptions of God , ourselves , sin and righteousness , this world we live in , the world we are promised in the gospel ect

each person is in need of being like Mary and choosing the good part

“And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word. But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me. And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: but one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭10:39-42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when jesus was near Mary made the choice of what was valuable at the time . To just sit and listen to Jesus teaching them about the true God and his Will , his everlasting kingdom

If we believe in Jesus believe he died for our sins and rose up for our justification …then we’re meant to come close and listen to his word in the gospel and learn from him being changed in our minds and heart
 
Why tell people Jesus died for them when He didn't, wonder if they are not one of His Sheep ? Then He didn't die for them, so we should tell people that Jesus died for His Sheep or His People as Per Matt 1:21 and saved them, Justified them ! Now if they are one of the Sheep they will be given Faith to believe on Jesus who has saved them.
Because if you tell people JESUS din't die for them and you can't back it up with HIS word IT IS NOT TRUE or should I say a lie!

Can you?

That's between you and HIM.

If your wrong, by saying that you have everything to lose and NOTHING to gain.
 
Because if you tell people JESUS din't die for them and you can't back it up with HIS word IT IS NOT TRUE or should I say a lie!

Can you?

That's between you and HIM.

If your wrong, by saying that you have everything to lose and NOTHING to gain.
You never tell a person Christ died for them, they may not be an elect, and you told them a lie
 
I don’t think many believe we follow Jesus actually but that we just acknowledge he died and rose then that’s it . And we don’t need to do anything that he said we need to do ect sort of the reason Jesus posed this conundrum to them

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?


Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus calls us to listen to his words because things like this above call believers to repentance and obedience not because another Christian bests them into submission but because the individual believer in Jesus is confronted with Jesus own words teaching them who do believe in him sincerely as lord

Jesus most often was calling people to come to him and learn believing because it was meant to change our minds and perceptions of God , ourselves , sin and righteousness , this world we live in , the world we are promised in the gospel ect

each person is in need of being like Mary and choosing the good part

“And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word. But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me. And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: but one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭10:39-42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when jesus was near Mary made the choice of what was valuable at the time . To just sit and listen to Jesus teaching them about the true God and his Will , his everlasting kingdom

If we believe in Jesus believe he died for our sins and rose up for our justification …then we’re meant to come close and listen to his word in the gospel and learn from him being changed in our minds and heart
Yes Sir and it is so so sad.

Until I started on Facebook and then hear planning seeds this verse was strange to me like who is JESUS speaking of?

HE sends people to HELL do to lack of knowledge, pride or something maybe trusting their pastor?

Matthew 7:21-23
King James Version
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

After JESUS says that he speaks of FOUDATION and they JUST WILL NOT ACCEPT HIS WORD.

I REALLY try to just keep things simple, HOW DO YOU GET RID OF SINS???

Sin separates us from GOD, it will not enter Heaven so how do we get rid of it.

Then the roads down the rabbit hole starts instead of just a simple read Acts 2:38 it is so clear.

BUT GOD put shackles on some peoples eyes to get HIS will done, wonder if it's still happening or just plan PRIDE?

GOD BLESS YOU, all we can do is plant seeds and PRAY.
 
No He didnt die for all save all His People the Elect, and no i cant stop you from believing a lie.
I'm sorry if you think I will believe ANY man including YOU or me unless I can back it up.

I do believe EVERYTHING that is in his word.

"YOU" SAY HE DIDN'T SO IF YOU CAN'T BACK IT UP YOUR THE LIAR.

It really is that simple.