Matthew 12:32 KJV

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"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come." (King James Bible, Matthew 12:32)

BREAKDOWN:

“It shall be forgiven him”: Someone never exposed to Christ’s divine power and presence might reject Him in ignorance and be forgiven – assuming the unbelief gives way to genuine repentance. Even a Pharisee such as Saul of Tarsus could be forgiven for speaking against Jesus or persecuting His followers – because his unbelief stemmed from ignorance (1 Tim. 1:13).

But those who know His claims are true and reject Him anyway “sin against the Holy Spirit” – because it is the Holy Spirit who testifies of Christ and makes His truth known to us (John 15:26; 16:14-15). No forgiveness was possible for these Pharisees who witnessed His miracles first hand, knew the truth of His claims, and still blasphemed the Holy Spirit – because they had already reject the fullest possible revelation.

I think to really understand this, we would have to know and understand who the Holy Ghost is. Jesus said He would send a comforter (Holy Ghost – “same as the Holy Spirit”) to come and dwell with us. The Holy Ghost teaches us, directs us, and comforts us. To deny the Holy Ghost would be to deny our salvation.

We are saved by faith, not doubt. To speak against the Holy Ghost in this manner spoken of here, we would have to be unsaved.
 
Rebecca2188 said:
To deny the Holy Ghost would be to deny our salvation.
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An impossibility, if we are saved. The Holy Spirit witness to our spirit, therefore how could we possibly deny Him, or our salvation? The only way "blaspheming the Holy Spirit" is possible after the cross is to deny Christ -- deny the witness and testimony of Him given in the Bible and in the lives of believers in the world today. In short, blaspheming the Holy Spirit today is to remain in unbelief. No believer can ever commit this sin.
 
Im not limiting the Holy Spirit of the Most High, but rather supporting with a Scriptural idea:

Yahchanan (John) 14:26, "But the Comforter--the Holy Spirit which Yahweh will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you."

John 14:26, "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said unto you."

Matt 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away."
 
Rebecca2188 said:
But those who know His claims are true and reject Him anyway “sin against the Holy Spirit” – because it is the Holy Spirit who testifies of Christ and makes His truth known to us (John 15:26; 16:14-15). No forgiveness was possible for these Pharisees who witnessed His miracles first hand, knew the truth of His claims, and still blasphemed the Holy Spirit – because they had already reject the fullest possible revelation.
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hi Rebecca. :)

what do you think of the event that happened just prior to the verse you quoted?

Matt 12:22:31
Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute was brought to Jesus, and He healed him, so that the mute man spoke and saw.
All the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?”
But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”
And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.
“If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?
“If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
“But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
“Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.


“He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.


“Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
“Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come."


ps--i agree with you...God's children have nothing to fear from this warning. :)



 
How about those who reject the Holy Spirits voice by falling away from the faith?

Hebrews 6:4-8[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
 
I agree with you. No one comes to the father unless the Holy Spirit draws him. This is always been considered the unpardonable sin. There is only 1 sin that is unforgivable and it is rejection of Jesus Christ. It says any other sin shall be forgiven, but one can not go to heaven if they reject Christ, so there you have your 1 sin.
 
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How about those who reject the Holy Spirits voice by falling away from the faith?
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Again, for a believer, impossible. I know you don't agree, but the passages you use to support that view are a wrong interpretation, ignore context, and worst of all put those verses erroneously in conflict with other verses. Like this one.

InSpiritInTruth said:
Hebrews 6:4-8[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
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Frankly, I'm amazed you included vv. 7 & 8. Most people who quote this passage as "proving" salvation can be lost stop at v. 6. I'll talk more about that in the later part of this post. Nonetheless, your interpretation of this is just flat wrong. I'll give you that it is a difficult passage to properly exegete, but it most assuredly does not teach we can lose our salvation.

There are two valid ways of looking at these verses. One interpretation holds that this passage is written not about Christians but about unbelievers who are convinced of the basic truths of the gospel but who have not placed their faith in Jesus Christ as Savior. They are intellectually persuaded but spiritually uncommitted. This view states that the phrase “once enlightened” (verse 4) refers to those who have had instruction in biblical truth, but instruction, exposure to the truth, is not regeneration. John speaks of this in his gospel.

John 1, NASB
9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man.​

That cannot possibly be the light of salvation, because not every man is saved. Through God’s sovereign power, every man has enough light to be held responsible. This light either leads to the complete acceptance of Jesus Christ or produces condemnation in those who reject such light. The people described in the Hebrews passage are of the latter group -- unbelievers who have been exposed to God’s redemptive truth and perhaps have made a profession of faith, but have not exercised genuine saving faith.

"Tasted the heavenly gifts" in v. 9 would be akin to the statement in Hebrews 2:9 that Jesus "tasted death" -- that is, only briefly, before His resurrection. The use of the idiom in 6:9 is the same, and would indicate that these who "fall away" only got a brief exposure to the gospel, had an intellectual or emotional assent or experience, but, as the seeds parable speaks of the grain dropped among the "thorns and thistles" because distracted and never let the gospel take root in their spirit so they would be saved.

I don't buy this. There are too many difficulties with the view. But the entire passage does have all the elements of an argument reductio ad absurdum -- Latin for "reduced to an absurdity." The key word in the passage is if (verse 6). The writer of Hebrews is setting up a hypothetical statement: “IF a Christian were to fall away . . .” The point being made is that it would be impossible (IF a Christian falls away) to renew salvation. That’s because Christ died once for sin.

Hebrews 9
28 ... Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.​

If His sacrifice is insufficient, then there’s no hope at all.

The passage, therefore, presents an argument based on a false premise -- that a true Christian can fall away -- and follows it to its senseless conclusion. that Jesus would have to be sacrificed again and again. The absurdity of the conclusion points up the impossibility of the original assumption. The false premise that salvation can be lost is disproved by showing that it logically leads to an absurdity.

If that isn't enough, verses 7 & 8 remove the possibility that salvation can be lost. The "rain" of the gospel falls on all men. Some hearts are fertile and will receive it. Once a plant grows, it can't be "ungrown." That is, it can be pulled up, but it nonetheless has grown -- just as the heart and spirit of a believer are converted. The land that grows thorns and thistles represents the hearts of those who will not believe, and nothing could bring them to salvation other than a miracle from God. Not that salvation isn't just that kind of miracle, but there are those God knows in advance will not believe, just as He knows in advance who will.
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
The falling away from the faith is real friend, and it is already here.
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Simply saying "you're wrong" isn't proof of anything. It's childish and petulant, telling me you have no rebuttal. Exegete the passage for yourself, prove you're right.

I've given you good grounds to show you are wrong. No way a true believer loses his/her salvation. If he/she could, then none of us have any hope and need to live our redeemed lives in fear. But that's ridiculous. God has not given us a Spirit of fear, but of hope and security. Shake and quake in your salvation if you wish. I'll choose to believe He is sufficient, always.
 
Viligant_Warrior said:
Simply saying "you're wrong" isn't proof of anything. It's childish and petulant, telling me you have no rebuttal. Exegete the passage for yourself, prove you're right.

I've given you good grounds to show you are wrong. No way a true believer loses his/her salvation. If he/she could, then none of us have any hope and need to live our redeemed lives in fear. But that's ridiculous. God has not given us a Spirit of fear, but of hope and security. Shake and quake in your salvation if you wish. I'll choose to believe He is sufficient, always.
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This is all the proof one needs.

Hebrews 6:4-8[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
 
Rebecca2188 said:
"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come." (King James Bible, Matthew 12:32)

BREAKDOWN:

“It shall be forgiven him”: Someone never exposed to Christ’s divine power and presence might reject Him in ignorance and be forgiven – assuming the unbelief gives way to genuine repentance. Even a Pharisee such as Saul of Tarsus could be forgiven for speaking against Jesus or persecuting His followers – because his unbelief stemmed from ignorance (1 Tim. 1:13).

But those who know His claims are true and reject Him anyway “sin against the Holy Spirit” – because it is the Holy Spirit who testifies of Christ and makes His truth known to us (John 15:26; 16:14-15). No forgiveness was possible for these Pharisees who witnessed His miracles first hand, knew the truth of His claims, and still blasphemed the Holy Spirit – because they had already reject the fullest possible revelation.

I think to really understand this, we would have to know and understand who the Holy Ghost is. Jesus said He would send a comforter (Holy Ghost – “same as the Holy Spirit”) to come and dwell with us. The Holy Ghost teaches us, directs us, and comforts us. To deny the Holy Ghost would be to deny our salvation.

We are saved by faith, not doubt. To speak against the Holy Ghost in this manner spoken of here, we would have to be unsaved.
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Man I think I've blaspheme the holy spirit more times than I can remember. I better make sure I got sun block a billion, coz I'm going to need it where I'm going.
 
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The end result of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unbelief....to attribute the work of Jesus to the devil as opposed to the Holy Spirit is to be in a state of unbelief and someone who will not believe cannot be forgiven........
 
stabbo said:
Man I think I've blaspheme the holy spirit more times than I can remember. I better make sure I got sun block a billion, coz I'm going to need it where I'm going.
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I suggest Jesus as sun block one billion to the 50th power wont help when burning in the mists of darkness forever........
 
Rebecca2188 said:
"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come." (King James Bible, Matthew 12:32)

BREAKDOWN:

“It shall be forgiven him”: Someone never exposed to Christ’s divine power and presence might reject Him in ignorance and be forgiven – assuming the unbelief gives way to genuine repentance. Even a Pharisee such as Saul of Tarsus could be forgiven for speaking against Jesus or persecuting His followers – because his unbelief stemmed from ignorance (1 Tim. 1:13).

But those who know His claims are true and reject Him anyway “sin against the Holy Spirit” – because it is the Holy Spirit who testifies of Christ and makes His truth known to us (John 15:26; 16:14-15). No forgiveness was possible for these Pharisees who witnessed His miracles first hand, knew the truth of His claims, and still blasphemed the Holy Spirit – because they had already reject the fullest possible revelation.

I think to really understand this, we would have to know and understand who the Holy Ghost is. Jesus said He would send a comforter (Holy Ghost – “same as the Holy Spirit”) to come and dwell with us. The Holy Ghost teaches us, directs us, and comforts us. To deny the Holy Ghost would be to deny our salvation.

We are saved by faith, not doubt. To speak against the Holy Ghost in this manner spoken of here, we would have to be unsaved.
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the number of posts that quote scripture about being saved by grace through faith in Yahshua Hamashiach(Messiah Jesus) is thankfully very large.

the number of persons who understand the holy spirit is astronomically small.

one 'description' totally unexpected (and NOT contrary to any scripture) that's not from the original languages(i.e. it's in english) is found in "heaven is for real" , a neat little book that may or may not have value for different persons. (i like it, with some reservations.) every time something like this is posted directly, arguments pop up no matter right, left, or middle, for or against..... so keep seeking and praying and let Yahweh do as He will.... remember few find out the truth, so don't expect an 'audience' or others around you to agree or to know.....
 
stabbo said:
Man I think I've blaspheme the holy spirit more times than I can remember. I better make sure I got sun block a billion, coz I'm going to need it where I'm going.
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In what ways have you blasphemed the Holy Spirit?
 
InSpiritInTruth said:
The falling away from the faith is real friend, and it is already here.
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Falling away from the faith, in the NT sense, is falling away from a profession of faith.

Not all professions of faith are actually true faith,
and that is what falling away is to show, and does show (1Jn 2:19).
 
Viligant_Warrior said:
I already picked this "proof text" apart. Try again.
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This is all the proof one needs.

Hebrews 6:4-8[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
 
Elin said:
Falling away from the faith, in the NT sense, is falling away from a profession of faith.

Not all professions of faith are actually true faith,
and that is what falling away is to show, and does show (1Jn 2:19).
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This is all the proof one needs.

Hebrews 6:4-8[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
 
InSpiritInTruth said:
This is all the proof one needs.

Hebrews 6:4-8[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
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To paraphrase Inego Montoya:

"You keep quoting that passage. It does not mean what you think it means."

Therefore, for you, it is not proof.
 
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