Matthew 24:40-41

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jduck1986

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"Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left."

How do you interpret this passage of scripture? Particularly interested in hearing from Preterists or Idealists or Amillenarians/Postmillenarians.
 
"Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left."

How do you interpret this passage of scripture? Particularly interested in hearing from Preterists or Idealists or Amillenarians/Postmillenarians.

To the man living during that time I believe it would have been easily understood;

1 Thessalonians 5:1, "But concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need that I should write to you."

The 7 Moadim/Feasts of YHWH prophesy about the works of Messiah 1st and 2nd coming, the Feast of Trumpets starts at the sighting of the new moon, thus no man can know exactly when that will happen...

5. Feast of Trumpets/Yom Teruah (Trumpets) September/October/Messiah returns to earth ("Rapture")
Future, after the tribulation

the King is coming!

Mattithyah 24:29-31, "Immediately, but after the tribulation of those days will the sun be darkened, and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven; and then will all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His malakim with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of earth to the other."

1 Corinthians 15:50-54, "Now I say this brothers: that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of YHWH; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.Behold, I show you a secret truth: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed--In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible will have put on incorruption, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will be brought to pass the saying that is written: Death is swallowed up in victory."

Psalm 104:19, "You appointed the moon for setting the appointed times. The sun knows its going down."

4150 - moed
moed: appointed time, place, or meeting
Original Word: מוֹעֵד
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: moed
Phonetic Spelling: (mo-ade')
Short Definition: meeting
Word Origin from yaad
Definition - appointed time, place, or meeting

Numbers 29:1, "In the seventh month, on the first day of the month(moon), you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing of trumpets to you."

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible

And He will send His malakim with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds

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one will be taken* and one will be left

Revelation 19:13-15:, "And He was wrapped in a tallit dipped in blood, and the Name of Him is called: Yahshua--The Salvation of Yahweh. And the armies in heaven clothed in fine linen, white and clean, *followedHim upon white horses, And out of His mouth goes a sharp, two-edged sword, that with it He should strike the nations; and He will rule over them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty Yahweh."
 
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"Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left."

How do you interpret this passage of scripture? Particularly interested in hearing from Preterists or Idealists or Amillenarians/Postmillenarians.

It is the second coming of Christ at the end of time where the saints are caught up from the earth to meet Christ in the air.
 
Oh for Pete's sake. Go back and read the whole chapter........ THEN...... Imagine yourself being a Jew in those days, hearing these things being spoken directly to you.

Well, naturally you would just hear all that stuff about not going back to the house for your coat, and fleeing the city for the mountains, being concerned about Sabbath travel, worrying about being pregnant or nursing, or if it is Winter time or not, etc........ and just dismiss it all as not even remotely pertaining to you in that turbulent time when Rome was going around killing Jews by the thousands........ knowing, of course, that this was just spoken to you so that people could make millions cashing in on the End Times Fever 2,000 years way into the future.
 
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"Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left."

How do you interpret this passage of scripture? Particularly interested in hearing from Preterists or Idealists or Amillenarians/Postmillenarians.

Elijah was taken and Elisha was left tending to the sheep. But then later on, Elisha was taken. John died and Jesus was left alone.

2 Kings 2:12 Elisha saw this and cried out, “My father! My father! The chariots and horsemen of Israel!” And Elisha saw him no more. Then he took hold of his garment and tore it in two.

2 Kings 13:14 Now Elisha had been suffering from the illness from which he died. Jehoash king of Israel went down to see him and wept over him. “My father! My father!” he cried. “The chariots and horsemen of Israel!”

John 20:17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

John 16:32 “A time is coming and in fact has come when you will be scattered, each to your own home. You will leave me all alone. Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me.

John 14:18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

Psalm 16:5 Lord, you alone are my portion and my cup; you make my lot secure.

2 Kings 2:9 When they had crossed, Elijah said to Elisha, “Tell me, what can I do for you before I am taken from you?” “Let me inherit a double portion of your spirit,” Elisha replied.


 
Elin said:
jduck1986 said:
"This is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.
Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left."
It is the second coming of Christ at the end of time where the saints are caught up from the earth to meet Christ in the air (1Th 4:16-17).
Oh for Pete's sake. Go back and read the whole chapter........ THEN...... Imagine yourself being a Jew in those days, hearing these things being spoken directly to you.

Well, naturally you would just hear all that stuff about not going back to the house for your coat, and fleeing the city for the mountains, being concerned about Sabbath travel, worrying about being pregnant or nursing, or if it is Winter time or not, etc........ and just dismiss it all as not even remotely pertaining to you in that turbulent time when Rome was going around killing Jews by the thousands........ knowing, of course, that this was just spoken to you so that people could make millions cashing in on the End Times Fever 2,000 years way into the future.
Did you forget to address its nature as prophesy and as
regarding the second coming?

And would a little more kindness be in order?
 
Did you forget to address its nature as prophesy and as
regarding the second coming?

And would a little more kindness be in order?
"No", and "No" to both. This was Jesus directly telling the Jews standing on the ground right in front of Him about things He said were "soon" to happen to them.
 
Elin said:
"This is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.
Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left."

It is the second coming of Christ at the end of time where the saints are caught up from the earth to meet Christ in the air (1Th 4:16-17).

Did you forget to address its nature as prophecy and as regarding the second coming?
"No",
Text is not addressed

And would a little more kindness be in order?
and "No" to both.
I think I'm done here.







 
"Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left."

How do you interpret this passage of scripture? Particularly interested in hearing from Preterists or Idealists or Amillenarians/Postmillenarians.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

these 3 questions are the critical CONTEXT of the chapter.

His answer/s are multifaceted.What we normally glean from a discussion on mat 24 is a vast creativity of the reader. This is BECAUSE 99% of the time they completely ignore the context.(answers to 3 questions).



4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
this;
Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.




is this;
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.




 
I really wish you guys wouldn't try to fabricate Crystal Ball scenarios by attempting to patch together unrelated text gathered from around the different books of the Bible to create a fictional doctrine of The Rapture.

If any of this hokus pocus theology was true, Jesus wouldn't have given the Jews back then something to watch for which was not even going to happen for thousands of years after they would be dead and buried. When He said "soon", it meant the Biblical term, "soon". Which means.... "soon."
 
"Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. Two womenwill be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left."

How do you interpret this passage of scripture? Particularly interested in hearing from Preterists or Idealists or Amillenarians/Postmillenarians.

This is discussing the tribulation period using parable language. 'Two men in the field' means there will be those sharing the gospel to the world (the field is the world ripe for harvest of souls - Mat 13:38). Only some of these persons will not be taken into judgement but will remain (in Christ). The other part of these persons will be taken into judgement (meaning they will be in the unsaved condition). It is not talking about just two persons but is a picture of believers and the unsaved more generally. The two women grinding at the mill is similar parable language of the sending forth of the gospel. Grain is a picture of people to whom the gospel is preached, as in the ox treading the grain, and the grain boat that Paul rode on. The two women are again pictures of those sharing the gospel. Rapture enthusiasts often think that those that are left are the unsaved. However, I encourage you to look up the word taken in the Bible and find that it is more often used for being taken in sin or taken into judgement, whereas being left or remaining means to be part of the remnant, remaining in Christ.
 
"No", and "No" to both. This was Jesus directly telling the Jews standing on the ground right in front of Him about things He said were "soon" to happen to them.

He was talking to the Jews in front of Him at that time, but He was addressing their question to when things like signs leading to, then His second coming, and the end of the age (tribulation period);


Matthew 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the age?


Verses 14-51 have not taken place yet, as there as been no 7 year period of time with the last 3 1/2 years being great tribulation, no second coming of the Lord, no sun darkened and moon turned to blood, and so on....
The verses 1-13 have been happening since the Lords crucifixion, but the part the OP is referring to has not happened yet and the bible says if you believe they have you are deceived.

The answer to the OP's question is that this is referring to the resurrection, gathering together in the clouds, rapture, or however you want to label it.
 
I really wish you guys wouldn't try to fabricate Crystal Ball scenarios by attempting to patch together unrelated text gathered from around the different books of the Bible to create a fictional doctrine of The Rapture.

If any of this hokus pocus theology was true, Jesus wouldn't have given the Jews back then something to watch for which was not even going to happen for thousands of years after they would be dead and buried. When He said "soon", it meant the Biblical term, "soon". Which means.... "soon."
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


If "quickly" can take 2k years,how long is "soon"

They are "relative" terms.

Hate to see that 1 thes 4 upsets you so
 
This is discussing the tribulation period using parable language. 'Two men in the field' means there will be those sharing the gospel to the world (the field is the world ripe for harvest of souls - Mat 13:38). Only some of these persons will not be taken into judgement but will remain (in Christ). The other part of these persons will be taken into judgement (meaning they will be in the unsaved condition). It is not talking about just two persons but is a picture of believers and the unsaved more generally. The two women grinding at the mill is similar parable language of the sending forth of the gospel. Grain is a picture of people to whom the gospel is preached, as in the ox treading the grain, and the grain boat that Paul rode on. The two women are again pictures of those sharing the gospel. Rapture enthusiasts often think that those that are left are the unsaved. However, I encourage you to look up the word taken in the Bible and find that it is more often used for being taken in sin or taken into judgement, whereas being left or remaining means to be part of the remnant, remaining in Christ.

I am thinking none of this is scriptural.
Please show us these many concepts IN THE WORD, and do explain "2 in the bed"
Luke 17;34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
 
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


If "quickly" can take 2k years,how long is "soon"

They are "relative" terms.

Hate to see that 1 thes 4 upsets you so
What upsets me (and it certainly does) is that innocent people truly looking for honest answers might actually believe all this End Times nonsense about looking forward to a secret "rapture", that is not Biblical, in the least.
 
I really wish you guys wouldn't try to fabricate Crystal Ball scenarios by attempting to patch together unrelated text gathered from around the different books of the Bible to create a fictional doctrine of The Rapture.

If any of this hokus pocus theology was true, Jesus wouldn't have given the Jews back then something to watch for which was not even going to happen for thousands of years after they would be dead and buried. When He said "soon", it meant the Biblical term, "soon". Which means.... "soon."

Just out of curiosity...how soon was/is "soon" to you then?
Just wondering sir?

I don't believe in a/the "rapture" either.
 
"Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left."

How do you interpret this passage of scripture? Particularly interested in hearing from Preterists or Idealists or Amillenarians/Postmillenarians.
But as the days of Noah were so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matt. 24:37-39

Who were taken away in the days of Noah? Weren't the wicked destroyed and wasn't that their judgment from God? Seems this would tie into the separation of the sheep and goats - those taken away were evil, i.e. goats taken for judgment and those left, i.e. the sheep to enter the kingdom. Still looking into this . . . :)

I do believe in a rapture of the church, the body of Christ but this has to do with Israel's judgment.