Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?
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Obviously you are wrong.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
You say the second coming is not in chp 24 but there it is, proving you wrong.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
You say the second coming is not in chp 24 but there it is, proving you wrong.
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Bingo
Somebody has understanding.
The one taken and the 1 left behind, Cannot possibly be those same people From noah where The entire population of Earth was destroyed.
that would be impossible.
the one Taken and the 1 left has to be a group.
A sub group.
Can not possibly refer to half of Earth's population destroyed.
Inferring half Earth's population is righteous.
Somebody has understanding.
The one taken and the 1 left behind, Cannot possibly be those same people From noah where The entire population of Earth was destroyed.
that would be impossible.
the one Taken and the 1 left has to be a group.
A sub group.
Can not possibly refer to half of Earth's population destroyed.
Inferring half Earth's population is righteous.
Lol. Only Noah and family were carried over a mile into the heavens via the flood, and returned postrib back to earth.
Jesus said "Before the flood, One will be taken and the other left behind."
that would be fifty percent of the church taken and fifty percent left behind.
It would be near impossible for Jesus to leave us a more vivid picture of the pretrib rapture.
Jesus said "Before the flood, One will be taken and the other left behind."
that would be fifty percent of the church taken and fifty percent left behind.
It would be near impossible for Jesus to leave us a more vivid picture of the pretrib rapture.
"and only Noah was LEFT, together with those that were with him in the ark." Genesis 7:23.
The Hebrew word translated "left," (or 'remained'/kjv), quite literally means "left behind." Scripture explicitly states that Noah & family were "left behind."
I misread the OP and thought it were in agreement with this... Please forgive my intrusion, if I'd realized it were saying something else, I would not have responded.
I will leave this thread, as I do not wish to challenge your doctrinal position. I thank you for kindly allowing me to share.
The Hebrew word translated "left," (or 'remained'/kjv), quite literally means "left behind." Scripture explicitly states that Noah & family were "left behind."
I misread the OP and thought it were in agreement with this... Please forgive my intrusion, if I'd realized it were saying something else, I would not have responded.
I will leave this thread, as I do not wish to challenge your doctrinal position. I thank you for kindly allowing me to share.
I don't find it fruitful to entertain certain conversational styles. And, I've already had to use the 'ignore' option on someone who wanted nothing but an argument.
I'd rather bow out before someone gets triggered and presents themself in an ungodly manner...
Besides, I have no need to defend scripture against a doctrinal ideology. There's nothing more to add.
I appreciate your kindness.
I'd rather bow out before someone gets triggered and presents themself in an ungodly manner...
Besides, I have no need to defend scripture against a doctrinal ideology. There's nothing more to add.
I appreciate your kindness.
What is the concept of a secret rapture?
https://www.gotquestions.org/secret-rapture.html
The secret rapture—usually just called the rapture of the church—is the idea that Christ will come to take believers out of the world before His return with them at the second coming. The secret rapture is “secret” in that no one will see Jesus coming except believers; this is in contrast to the second coming of Christ after the tribulation, when “every eye will see him” (Revelation 1:7)
Very Good Video here on why the Rapture is Pre--trib
Very Worth the listen Folks -----
Should Christians Believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture?
This video will explore several evidences of the pre-tribulation rapture position and whether it is valid to believe in it.
https://www.gotquestions.org/secret-rapture.html
The secret rapture—usually just called the rapture of the church—is the idea that Christ will come to take believers out of the world before His return with them at the second coming. The secret rapture is “secret” in that no one will see Jesus coming except believers; this is in contrast to the second coming of Christ after the tribulation, when “every eye will see him” (Revelation 1:7)
Very Good Video here on why the Rapture is Pre--trib
Very Worth the listen Folks -----
Should Christians Believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture?
This video will explore several evidences of the pre-tribulation rapture position and whether it is valid to believe in it.
First mistake he makes (besides a 7-year tribulation, of which there is no evidence) is equating wrath with tribulation, which simply means pressure, or affliction. Tribulation is from man, wrath is from God. So God will keep us from wrath, but not man's persecution.
Second mistake is that 2 Thessalonians 2:7 does not say anything will be taken out of the way. The Greek word taken is not in the text
Third mistake is the Jewish wedding analogy. In Jewish tradition the return of the groom was never secret when it happened. It was announced with fanfare and trumpets. The pre-trib rapture mandates a secret return that no one knows about.
Second mistake is that 2 Thessalonians 2:7 does not say anything will be taken out of the way. The Greek word taken is not in the text
Third mistake is the Jewish wedding analogy. In Jewish tradition the return of the groom was never secret when it happened. It was announced with fanfare and trumpets. The pre-trib rapture mandates a secret return that no one knows about.
I can see that what he is saying is beyond your pay grade of understanding ---as you seem to have no Spiritual Understanding here ----just saying ---
First ---there is a 3 and one have years in the first round of God's wrath that He is pouring out on unbeliever and then there is the last 3 and one half years of even worst wrath that He is pouring out on unbelievers ---so do the Math 7 years ----of Wrath ---is coming upon this earth ---- all Biblical --
You need to read your Bible more ------
and get understanding ----Greek word for Wrath
Strong's Lexicon
orgé: Wrath, anger, indignation
Original Word: ὀργή
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: orgé
Pronunciation: or-GAY
Phonetic Spelling: (or-gay')
Definition: Wrath, anger, indignation
Meaning: anger, wrath, passion; punishment, vengeance.
often with a view to taking vengeance
is used of God's perfect, holy wrath in Revelation (Rev 14:10,19,15:1, etc.). This anger is directed against sin with intense opposition and without sin.
In Jewish thought, God's wrath was understood as a response to sin and disobedience, a theme that is consistent throughout the Old Testament and carried into the New Testament.
Greek word for Tribulation
Strong's Lexicon
thlipsis: Tribulation, Affliction, Distress, Persecution
Usage: The term "thlipsis" is used in the New Testament to describe a state of severe distress or suffering, often due to external pressures or persecution. It conveys the idea of being under pressure or in a state of affliction,
Your Quote Here ----on 2 Thessalonians---again no Spiritual understanding ----and your wrong taken is in the text
Second mistake is that 2 Thessalonians 2:7 does not say anything will be taken out of the way. The Greek word taken is not in the text-------scripture below ----- will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
2 Thessalonians 2
New International Version
5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.
7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
I say ----Now in the video he says it is the Church ----I say it is the Holy Spirit -----who is taken out of the way to allow evil to be maxed ---so we differ in opinion here ----regardless --the Church will have been raptured so they have already been taken away ----
NOW :-------The Third mistake you mention is about the wedding -----and again this is not a physical wedding ---this is a spiritual wedding ----and Jesus is the bridegroom coming in secret to get His Brides -----to Rapture them ------he comes unexpectedly and collects His brides and leaves the others ----no fan fare here
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In the Bible, the Parable of the Ten Virgins in Matthew 25:1–13 describes a bridegroom who arrives unexpectedly:
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Ten virgins wait for the bridegroom, but five have enough oil for their lamps and five do not. The five who are prepared go in with the bridegroom to the wedding feast, while the five who go to buy more oil miss him and are disowned
So i say ----my view is -------ChristRoseFromTheDead,----you need to do as the Scripture says here ----
Well, it seems it didn't matter... Since my previous response I've had two others try to intimidate me, accusing me of not being honest because I didn't give them my family status and where I reside.
All of this was because I responded with scriptural principles to an OP that asked for such... They seemed quite offended by it, probably because it didn't fit their narrative.
I've tried to contact an admin for advice, but to no avail. I figured if an on-duty admin ignores me, I won't be able to interact on here without unwarranted opposition.
Anyway, thank you for not being offended by the scripture I cited.
A friend invited me to a discussion site where people naturally don't oppose others who don't share the same interpretations.
Take care, God bless.
All of this was because I responded with scriptural principles to an OP that asked for such... They seemed quite offended by it, probably because it didn't fit their narrative.
I've tried to contact an admin for advice, but to no avail. I figured if an on-duty admin ignores me, I won't be able to interact on here without unwarranted opposition.
Anyway, thank you for not being offended by the scripture I cited.
A friend invited me to a discussion site where people naturally don't oppose others who don't share the same interpretations.
Take care, God bless.
The verse you quoted really should settle the matter.
And he wiped away every height which was upon the face of all the earth, from man unto beast, and reptiles, and the winged creatures of the heaven; and they were wiped away from the earth; and he left behind only Noah and the ones with him in the ark. Genesis 7:23